2018 UND Recruiting

[UNDBIZ]

3 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

Looks like a decent arm, mobile...and can throw on the run pretty well.  I know a lot of people were pretty concerned we didn't get a QB in this class initially.  I was a little concerned, but not totally freaked out.  If you didn't get the few you really wanted and put offers out to, I think it's better to wait and find one like this....then to just throw out an offer just to get one......knowing the guy probably can't truly play QB at the FCS level. 

Still a hole in this recruiting class. He'll be a sophomore rather than redshirting as a freshman. 

[shep]

1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:

Still a hole in this recruiting class. He'll be a sophomore rather than redshirting as a freshman. 

So they get a freshman to come in 2019.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

Looks like a decent arm, mobile...and can throw on the run pretty well.  I know a lot of people were pretty concerned we didn't get a QB in this class initially.  I was a little concerned, but not totally freaked out.  If you didn't get the few you really wanted and put offers out to, I think it's better to wait and find one like this....then to just throw out an offer just to get one......knowing the guy probably can't truly play QB at the FCS level. 

No sympathy here. The QB position has been grossly mismanaged by Bubba and his staff in my opinion. Let's hope Ketteringham is the real deal. 

 

 

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Still a hole in this recruiting class. He'll be a sophomore rather than redshirting as a freshman. 

He can redshirt this year at least.

[Sioux94]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

No sympathy here. The QB position has been grossly mismanaged by Bubba and his staff in my opinion. Let's hope Ketteringham is the real deal. 

 

 

I agree, it hasn't been good up until now.....I just don't need to repost about it 30 times.  And I'm also willing to give them credit when it is due and I think the've solidified the QB position pretty well...and right now have some of the best depth we've had in quite a while.  Still need to see them prove it on the field, but doesn't mean I can't be optimistic about it.  

[homer]

8 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

No sympathy here. The QB position has been grossly mismanaged by Bubba and his staff in my opinion. Let's hope Ketteringham is the real deal. 

 

 

I saw enough of Zimmerman last year in game action to believe he can be effective at the QB spot. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I saw enough of Zimmerman last year in game action to believe he can be effective at the QB spot. 

"Effective" doesn't win championships. Championship teams have good to great QB play (not necessarily stats, but ability to consistently make good decisions and clutch throws). 

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

I agree, it hasn't been good up until now.....I just don't need to repost about it 30 times.  And I'm also willing to give them credit when it is due and I think the've solidified the QB position pretty well...and right now have some of the best depth we've had in quite a while.  Still need to see them prove it on the field, but doesn't mean I can't be optimistic about it.  

This whole "repost" backlash I'm receiving is ridiculous. Again, even certain positive biases on this website can become excessive. 

Studsrud was a great leader but was more than underwhelming in terms of throwing ability. His backups (Bartels, Heidlebaugh) were even worse. Under Bubba, UND has tried to win while ignoring the most important position in sports - bad idea. 

[darell1976]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

This whole "repost" backlash I'm receiving is ridiculous. Again, even certain positive biases on this website can become excessive. 

Studsrud was a great leader but was more than underwhelming in terms of throwing ability. His backups (Bartels, Heidlebaugh) were even worse. Under Bubba, UND has tried to win while ignoring the most important position in sports - bad idea. 

Do you think our team was so bad when Bubba took over, that he is focusing on fixing key areas one at a time rather than fixing the team as a whole? He has fixed our defense (injuries killed them last season), and our running game (one of the best in the FCS), but at the same time not enough to fix QB, OL, and Special teams. 

[homer]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

"Effective" doesn't win championships. Championship teams have good to great QB play (not necessarily stats, but ability to consistently make good decisions and clutch throws). 

I’ll fix it than, I feel after watching Zimmerman in limited action he could give us good QB play.  He brought an arm to the offense we have been missing for a while.  Hard to gauge off of a couple games but I am hoping he improved in the off season.  

[nodak651]

There isn't a coach in the nation that isn't trying to build depth at every position.  The problem is Bubba has to recruit players to the locker rooms at Memorial Stadium, and there are more attractive schools to football recruits in the region.  It's not that easy, especially when guys like Elijah, Harris, and Kuksa leave or get hurt.

I think the constant bashing of UND-FB-FAN is counterproductive - the criticisms of him are more annoying than his negativity, imo, despite the popularity of the posts that bash him.  This website would be boring without differing views - that's what makes a good conversation.  Do we want this place to be an echo chamber?  It's not like he's presenting opinion as fact, or throwing out crazy conspiracy theories while bashing all those who disagree with him like some other members on this website.   

[Hawkster]

6 hours ago, nodak651 said:

There isn't a coach in the nation that isn't trying to build depth at every position.  The problem is Bubba has to recruit players to the locker rooms at Memorial Stadium, and there are more attractive schools to football recruits in the region.  It's not that easy, especially when guys like Elijah, Harris, and Kuksa leave or get hurt.

I think the constant bashing of UND-FB-FAN is counterproductive - the criticisms of him are more annoying than his negativity, imo, despite the popularity of the posts that bash him.  This website would be boring without differing views - that's what makes a good conversation.  Do we want this place to be an echo chamber?  It's not like he's presenting opinion as fact, or throwing out crazy conspiracy theories while bashing all those who disagree with him like some other members on this website.   

Realism no matter how much it hurts should never be criticized as being negative.        There is plenty to complain about around here even if some people don't like it.   UND FB Fan just  lays it out there for everyone to see.

[homer]

1 hour ago, TRex said:

Realism no matter how much it hurts should never be criticized as being negative.        There is plenty to complain about around here even if some people don't like it.   UND FB Fan just  lays it out there for everyone to see.

I don’t think anyone minds realism.  Very few are duckies and bunnies all the time in this board.  It’s easy to be negative all the time, every time.  Gets old.  

[SiouxBoys]

The problem isn't the negative comments themselves. This is a message board and people are allowed to express displeasure. It became a problem when anytime somebody expressed a little bit of optimism, it was met with negativity. 

[Siouxperman8]

5 hours ago, TRex said:

Realism no matter how much it hurts should never be criticized as being negative.        There is plenty to complain about around here even if some people don't like it.   UND FB Fan just  lays it out there for everyone to see.

He sure does.  Over and over and over and over and over and over again.

[UND-FB-FAN]

I sure hope UND doesn't have another losing season in 2018, or else you folks on here will become damn salty to unbearable. Cheer up a bit. Fact of the matter is that some aspects of certain college football teams aren't always favorable or positive. 

Lastly, it's quite entertaining how I'm now being labeled an over-repetitive pessimist, particularly when my previous posts on this site are accessible for all to see. I've certainly been appropriately positive (sometimes excessively) when the outlook is realistically good. And realistically speaking, UND could yet have a winning season in 2018 - so lighten up folks. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

23 hours ago, darell1976 said:

Do you think our team was so bad when Bubba took over, that he is focusing on fixing key areas one at a time rather than fixing the team as a whole? He has fixed our defense (injuries killed them last season), and our running game (one of the best in the FCS), but at the same time not enough to fix QB, OL, and Special teams. 

Personally, from what I've heard from some of the coaches, the outlook is quite simple:

UND exceeded expectations a bit in 2016 and they had a rash of injuries in 2017. Things were never as good nor as bad as what they seemed to us "fans" in the short-term. There are plenty of holes/"unknowns" on the roster that need to be fixed. Offensive line, quarterback and the defensive backfield are currently the top 3 in my estimation. If the offense doesn't become more explosive and/or if the defense doesn't become more stingy (contain big plays better), 2018 will not go as planned. 

[darell1976]

43 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Personally, from what I've heard from some of the coaches, the outlook is quite simple:

UND exceeded expectations a bit in 2016 and they had a rash of injuries in 2017. Things were never as good nor as bad as what they seemed to us "fans" in the short-term. There are plenty of holes/"unknowns" on the roster that need to be fixed. Offensive line, quarterback and the defensive backfield are currently the top 3 in my estimation. If the offense doesn't become more explosive and/or if the defense doesn't become more stingy (contain big plays better), 2018 will not go as planned. 

Seems like our offense was really explosive under Muss maybe it’s because the defense couldn’t stop the opponent from scoring and every game became a track meet, but when Bubba took over our points per game has been low. I would love for us to hold opponents to 14 points or less while scoring 30+. Last year only 2 times we scored more than 27 points. I can’t wait to see what our new QB does, because we can’t run the ball on every down.

[homer]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Personally, from what I've heard from some of the coaches, the outlook is quite simple:

UND exceeded expectations a bit in 2016 and they had a rash of injuries in 2017. Things were never as good nor as bad as what they seemed to us "fans" in the short-term. There are plenty of holes/"unknowns" on the roster that need to be fixed. Offensive line, quarterback and the defensive backfield are currently the top 3 in my estimation. If the offense doesn't become more explosive and/or if the defense doesn't become more stingy (contain big plays better), 2018 will not go as planned. 

That isn’t far off from what is on the board.  It’s not all doom and gloom and time to blow up the program but it’s not bunnies and rainbows either.  

[zonadub]

On April 13, 2018 at 7:29 AM, darell1976 said:

Seems like our offense was really explosive under Muss maybe it’s because the defense couldn’t stop the opponent from scoring and every game became a track meet, but when Bubba took over our points per game has been low. I would love for us to hold opponents to 14 points or less while scoring 30+. Last year only 2 times we scored more than 27 points. I can’t wait to see what our new QB does, because we can’t run the ball on every down.

Did you get this inside information from Coach Rudolph? I think he has shown us differently.

[zonadub]

Just now, zonadub said:

Did you get this inside information from Coach Rudolph? I think he has shown us differently.

Before you jump all over me...

 

It's just a joke... Sort of

[Parkers Pros]

After going to the Spring game I will echo Millers sentiments, it was just boring. I felt bad for the kids visiting because there was nothing to get excited about. Perhaps they loved it. 

It was fun to see the new guys in action and liked what the Defense was doing. 

Championships are won by solid defense and on offense , lineman and a top tier QB. We have big long WR’s, we need a game breaker,  several good TE’s, and our backfield is the best in the history at UND depth wise. But we don’t know what we have yet at QB and our line is a huge question mark. We need to win some recruiting battles there. We are closer, but still have work to do. We should be a tougher team to play this year which is exciting!

[The Sicatoka]

On 4/13/2018 at 8:41 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

There are plenty of holes/"unknowns" on the roster that need to be fixed. Offensive line, quarterback and the defensive backfield are currently the top 3 in my estimation. 

I respectfully disagree. I'd say:

1. Offensive Line
2. Defensive Backfield
3. Specialists (punter and kicker)

We have a QB who ran Sac State (with big numbers) two years ago. We have a decent juco who spent a year at EWU and was our #3 last year until he forced the then #2 to be exposed (and who has since moved to WR). We have a freshman pushing the both of them. And we have another incoming juco QB. Something will rise to the top of that. The pure competition for the spot will force it out. We are far, far better off at that position today than we were a year ago. And we are better off at QB than at ... 

Specialists. On the roster today we have a redshirt freshman kicker and no punter. I write that and wonder if Specialists shouldn't move to 1 on my list.

No, wait, even if we had the 1983 Washington Redskins offensive line, offensive line would be 1 on my list.  

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I respectfully disagree. I'd say:

1. Offensive Line
2. Defensive Backfield
3. Specialists (punter and kicker)

We have a QB who ran Sac State (with big numbers) two years ago. We have a decent juco who spent a year at EWU and was our #3 last year until he forced the then #2 to be exposed (and who has since moved to WR). We have a freshman pushing the both of them. And we have another incoming juco QB. Something will rise to the top of that. The pure competition for the spot will force it out. We are far, far better off at that position today than we were a year ago. And we are better off at QB than at ... 

Specialists. On the roster today we have a redshirt freshman kicker and no punter. I write that and wonder if Specialists shouldn't move to 1 on my list.

No, wait, even if we had the 1983 Washington Redskins offensive line, offensive line would be 1 on my list.  

 

Quantity does not always equate to quality.  To dismiss the QB position as an important top 3 position for UND is ignorant to what that position means to all levels of football. It is often labeled the most important position in sports for a reason. Just because UND has 3 (4 in the fall) quarterbacks on roster, that does not guarantee one of them will be an outstanding performer. Ketteringham put up numbers at Sacramento State but lost the vast majority of the games. There is no guarentee Rudolph's system or UND's personnel will allow Ketteringham's play to transfer from Sac State to UND. Lastly, UND won't win anything over 6 games this season if they only have a "decent juco" starting. 

UND's only chance at a winning record in 2018 is Ketteringham performing at a high level. He looks the part physically but his performance during the spring game was less than stellar. Have to hope he, his offensive teammates, and Rudolph's system all progress from now to the fall. 

Offensive line is always an important position group. I mentioned the offensive line as a top 3 group of concern for UND (2 of the 3 groups we mentioned are the same: OL, DB). The problem is it is difficult to develop mauler type linemen in this day and age of football. UND's offensive linemen (at least the ones on roster right now) are not going to develop into all-conference type performers this season. They will be average at best. In fact, average would be an improvement from what they showed at the spring game. The pressure is on Rudolph and the offensive staff to implement an offensive system that does not rely on tremendous push up front each and every play. Anybody can coordinate offense when the offensive line dominates; UND's offensive line will not be doing anything close to dominating this season. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Quantity does not always equate to quality.  To dismiss the QB position as an important top 3 position for UND is ignorant to what that position means to all levels of football. It is often labeled the most important position in sports for a reason. Just because UND has 3 (4 in the fall) quarterbacks on roster, that does not guarantee one of them will be an outstanding performer. Ketteringham put up numbers at Sacramento State but lost the vast majority of the games. There is no guarentee Rudolph's system or UND's personnel will allow Ketteringham's play to transfer from Sac State to UND. Lastly, UND won't win anything over 6 games this season if they only have a "decent juco" starting. 

UND's only chance at a winning record in 2018 is Ketteringham performing at a high level. He looks the part physically but his performance during the spring game was less than stellar. Have to hope he, his offensive teammates, and Rudolph's system all progress from now to the fall. 

Offensive line is always an important position group. I mentioned the offensive line as a top 3 group of concern for UND (2 of the 3 groups we mentioned are the same: OL, DB). The problem is it is difficult to develop mauler type linemen in this day and age of football. UND's offensive linemen (at least the ones on roster right now) are not going to develop into all-conference type performers this season. They will be average at best. In fact, average would be an improvement from what they showed at the spring game. The pressure is on Rudolph and the offensive staff to implement an offensive system that does not rely on tremendous push up front each and every play. Anybody can coordinate offense when the offensive line dominates; UND's offensive line will not be doing anything close to dominating this season. 

Maybe they should bring in Mussman to recruit and coach OL. He had better hogs by far to this point.