2017 Season

[geaux_sioux]

9 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:

I've said the same thing.   The run up the gut for an easy 6 yards won't happen next year for opposing offenses.  If Deion comes back healthy with Evan there are two great cbs to go along with the two talented young safeties canady and ty gaining game time experience and the biggest return is a healthy Donnell....he is the catalyst!  The D fell apart with his departure.  The true fresh D line this year have some serious talent.  Zeke could easily start alongside either Mason or Austin next year.   I truly believe next years D will be bad ass ....if they don't sustain 15-20 injuries that is. 

We need a couple drop-down DBs.

[gundy1124]

To sum up 2017-

The combination of average on field talent, use/nonuse of talent, and schematics were disappointing.  

Our roster is pretty thin, still, talent wise.

If we have guys receiving $$ that are not going to contribute, it has to be pulled.  If a coach isn't D I competent, he needs to go.  North Dakota nice is never going to place us as a perennial top 10 team.

[UND-FB-FAN]

27 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

To sum up 2017-

The combination of average on field talent, use/nonuse of talent, and schematics were disappointing.  

Our roster is pretty thin, still, talent wise.

If we have guys receiving $$ that are not going to contribute, it has to be pulled.  If a coach isn't D I competent, he needs to go.  North Dakota nice is never going place us as a perennial top 10 team.

Right On

Negative performance reports for coaches and players need to be honored with loss of position and/or scholarship. 

Time to advocate for a god damn winning program.

[Class_of_98]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Time to advocate for a god damn winning program.

Hear hear!

[SiouxFan100]

Put a fork in it. 2017 is thankfully officially done. Upward and onward!

[Feff]

Watching the OU/TCU game and I can't help but wonder what might have been had UND used their running back (particularly Santiago) like how OU does in the passing game. More often than not, if a RB is in on a passing play he was kept in as a blocker. Didn't leak them out, didn't really swing them out. Boring, unimaginative, simple to defend. 

[shep]

I'm watching a great Montana St v NAU game. MSU just tied it and is going for 2 with 32 seconds left. MSU QB is a stud

[shep]

Didn't make it, but I was wrong-they were down 1. Going for the W

[darell1976]

2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

To sum up 2017-

The combination of average on field talent, use/nonuse of talent, and schematics were disappointing.  

Our roster is pretty thin, still, talent wise.

If we have guys receiving $$ that are not going to contribute, it has to be pulled.  If a coach isn't D I competent, he needs to go.  North Dakota nice is never going to place us as a perennial top 10 team.

So Bubba can take a team from 3-8 (2013 Muss’s last season) to 5-7 in 2014 with mostly Muss’s players to 7-4 and an FBS win (our first) in 2015 to winning the BSC last season and getting us into the playoffs (our first), how is that not DI competent? You wanna go back to the Muss days and reserect the Fire Muss thread?  Even Dale Lennon had a hiccup season in 2002 or do fans forget that. Did Roger Thomas have a hiccup season of course he did. Yes 3 wins sucks but it’s not the end of the world. 

[geaux_sioux]

28 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

So Bubba can take a team from 3-8 (2013 Muss’s last season) to 5-7 in 2014 with mostly Muss’s players to 7-4 and an FBS win (our first) in 2015 to winning the BSC last season and getting us into the playoffs (our first), how is that not DI competent? You wanna go back to the Muss days and reserect the Fire Muss thread?  Even Dale Lennon had a hiccup season in 2002 or do fans forget that. Did Roger Thomas have a hiccup season of course he did. Yes 3 wins sucks but it’s not the end of the world. 

Then explain the regression of our OL.

[gundy1124]

31 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

So Bubba can take a team from 3-8 (2013 Muss’s last season) to 5-7 in 2014 with mostly Muss’s players to 7-4 and an FBS win (our first) in 2015 to winning the BSC last season and getting us into the playoffs (our first), how is that not DI competent? You wanna go back to the Muss days and reserect the Fire Muss thread?  Even Dale Lennon had a hiccup season in 2002 or do fans forget that. Did Roger Thomas have a hiccup season of course he did. Yes 3 wins sucks but it’s not the end of the world. 

I am actually calling on Bubba to review his staff.  Staff to review their players and scheme.  I am not a fire Bubba guy.

And not sure who makes this call, but a medical/training staff review, too.

And S&C, would like to see some individualization in the program.

[zonadub]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

So Bubba can take a team from 3-8 (2013 Muss’s last season) to 5-7 in 2014 with mostly Muss’s players to 7-4 and an FBS win (our first) in 2015 to winning the BSC last season and getting us into the playoffs (our first), how is that not DI competent? You wanna go back to the Muss days and reserect the Fire Muss thread?  Even Dale Lennon had a hiccup season in 2002 or do fans forget that. Did Roger Thomas have a hiccup season of course he did. Yes 3 wins sucks but it’s not the end of the world. 

Think you may have a point ... Mussman was a better recruiter than Schweigert. Next year will be very important in showing how Schweigert's style of recruiting under the radar high schoolers pans out. Is it effective, or does the staff need to be better at getting talent that other teams covet? I understand that there were a lot of injuries this year, but the drop off from the beginning of the season has been alarming. Shouldn't backups at this level at least be competitive? Especially after having multiple game experience as the year progresses? If UND wants to beat more than the likes of Missouri State, Indiana State and Southern Illinois of the MVFC, The Hawks must have a roster that can overcome injuries.

[Irish]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

I am actually calling on Bubba to review his staff.  Staff to review their players and scheme.  I am not a fire Bubba guy.

And not sure who makes this call, but a medical/training staff review, too.

And S&C, would like to see some individualization in the program.

We have absolutely no evidence to show that Bubba is one bit introspective as shown by the total lack of adjustments this season.  How would you feel about him if he changes absolutely nothing (which in my opinion is a possibility).

[UND-1]

16 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Think you may have a point ... Mussman was a better recruiter than Schweigert. Next year will be very important in showing how Schweigert's style of recruiting under the radar high schoolers pans out. Is it effective, or does the staff need to be better at getting talent that other teams covet? I understand that there were a lot of injuries this year, but the drop off from the beginning of the season has been alarming. Shouldn't backups at this level at least be competitive? Especially after having multiple game experience as the year progresses? If UND wants to beat more than the likes of Missouri State, Indiana State and Southern Illinois of the MVFC, The Hawks must have a roster that can overcome injuries.

You think Mussman recruited better than Bubba?  

[bang]

My first issue with Bubba this year started in the Utah game. We were down I think by 14, 8 minutes or so left in the game at midfield and he punted. I was seriously disappointed. We were playing to keep it close and I hate that way of thinking. It was kind of a sign of what was to come this year. 

[bang]

8 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

You think Mussman recruited better than Bubba?  

On offense he was close. D, Bubba has got him by a country mile. 

[zonadub]

17 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

You think Mussman recruited better than Bubba?  

That's what Darell's post implies. Bubba's better teams had more Mussman recruits. Schweigert's underclassmen were outmatched this year, even when going up against freshman quarterbacks.

i think the answer lies in 2018, with Schweigert's recruits and none of Mussman's leftovers

[zonadub]

I know it is not a popular opinion on this board, but in my not-so-humble opinion, Faison made a mistake when he didn't hire DeBoer. Bubba was the safe choice and I don't think Faison was much for making bold moves.

[homer]

2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Then explain the regression of our OL.

You think OL talent regressed? 

[darell1976]

1 hour ago, zonadub said:

That's what Darell's post implies. Bubba's better teams had more Mussman recruits. Schweigert's underclassmen were outmatched this year, even when going up against freshman quarterbacks.

i think the answer lies in 2018, with Schweigert's recruits and none of Mussman's leftovers

Bubba’s D helped Muss’s O a lot (referring to Muss’s recruits). We probably will never see a QB like Braden Hanson. That 600 yard game against Montana was epic, but the D was horrible. Now we have the flip side, our O hasn’t really put up the points like Muss’s, but our D has kept us in the game. I don’t think Bubba should be fired but I think maybe some assistants should be gone as of yesterday. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, homer said:

You think OL talent regressed? 

Big time.

[the green team]

Here’s a hypothetical question.  What will Bubba have to do next year not to be on a hot seat and/or for it to be considered a step forward? Win 10 games? Win 7?  Win 1 more than this year? Reach the playoffs? Win multiple playoff games?  Less player issues outside football? Curious to hear what people would put in their checklist of what a satisfying progression would entail.  This year has been tough to swallow.  I’m hoping that this was a one off, but there are a couple of things that have to happen  and have been mentioned frequently here.

1. O-Line play has to be better.  UND has talented runners yes, but the holes haven’t been there enough and that truth actually goes back to last year. I’m not going to get into if it’s coaching or personnel.  Bottom line, if they envision being a certain type of team...that area, must improve.

2. I feel that the way the current shotgun  quick release spread offenses are with most of today’s college football world is a direct response of the years of the way we and other teams with similar philosophies approached the game, with pressure, pressure, pressure.   Right now we aren’t getting there (to the QB) enough.  Maybe, some of the time it’s talent, but I think some of the time it’s todays current scheme of offenses to defeat our philosophy-  which is start the QB further back from the line of scrimmage and get it out quick. The Biggest help I see in order to continue to be who North Dakota wants to be is have the type of corners that can press the line of scrimmage and stay with their player longer.  That way those DLine types and Backers can get there more frequently.  

These are just a couple of things that stand out to me,

 

 

[homer]

5 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Big time.

In my opinion it was one of the poorest recruited positions during the past coaching regime era.  Which is why we had 5 frshmen and sophomores that had play most of this season.  Pretty thin with upper class men.  

[Longtime fan]

10 hours ago, Irish said:

We have absolutely no evidence to show that Bubba is one bit introspective as shown by the total lack of adjustments this season.  How would you feel about him if he changes absolutely nothing (which in my opinion is a possibility).

With out a doubt it is a possibility....loyalty prevails in his mind.  Bubba has brought back hope to the program ( minus this year) but there are a ton of questions that remain with this team.  If he feels like everything is ok and welcomes everyone back ....he then is solely blaming the injuries as the reason why this year is what it was....a dumpster fire.  Injuries were definitely a catalyst to the problem ( some positions more then others), injuries or not,  the offense year after year continues to struggle against the weak D big sky teams.  As mentioned in many posts, the hard headed syndrome from the coaching as a whole is a problem.....never anything out of the ordinary just very conservative and predictable.....game after game after game.  Take some chances and play to win!!!

As of now, I feel bubba and Schmitty are safe .....however.... the ice is getting much thinner.  Positional coaches are a 50/50 mix....some need to walk while others seem capable.   My biggest issue and it has been for four years now ....Rudy.  He needs to walk and today would be a great day.  He has done ZERO since his arrival.   He should get out of the football gig all together....he doesn't belong.  Bubba needs to make this change along with a few positional changes.   If he doesn't....I will question my support for him and the program.  

[gundy1124]

10 hours ago, Irish said:

We have absolutely no evidence to show that Bubba is one bit introspective as shown by the total lack of adjustments this season.  How would you feel about him if he changes absolutely nothing (which in my opinion is a possibility).

I feel he better make the playoffs next year if that's the case with an offense in the top half of the league, so tweaks would have to be made internally.