NDUS Budget Cuts (changed name to be system-wide)

[homer]

43 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Follow above link, slide 11, sub-bullet 3. That may slow down some athletics aspirations. 

I was told today with confidence that some in Teammakers are confident an AAC invite is coming for football.  Will be interesting to follow if they are making academic cuts.  

[farce poobah]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

And thus the pain begins at NDSU.
(They should've dealt with it back in 2016 like UND did.)

NDSU president Cook sent this out to faculty and students earlier today:

When it says "link" it's this: https://www.ndsu.edu/fileadmin/president/images/President_Cook/draft_ideas_NDSU_Format-1.25.23_Final__003_.pdf 

Holy Buzzword Bingo, Batman!

[Sioux>Bison]

This won’t stop their move to the FBS, that entire move will be funded privately so it won’t affect the rest of the athletics department. Just like their IPF

[Sioux>Bison]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I was told today with confidence that some in Teammakers are confident an AAC invite is coming for football.  Will be interesting to follow if they are making academic cuts.  

Better break that new to ESPN!

[The Sicatoka]

11 hours ago, homer said:

I was told today with confidence that some in Teammakers are confident an AAC invite is coming for football.  Will be interesting to follow if they are making academic cuts.  

So the AAC is going to reach over the MAC, C-USA, the MWC, the SBC, into FCS, to add a football only. Looking at the AAC footprint I'd say they have a hole: Georgia. I'd more expect the AAC to go after an Atlanta area school. Why? Travel, demographics. 

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

This won’t stop their move to the FBS, that entire move will be funded privately so it won’t affect the rest of the athletics department. Just like their IPF

But how will that play in the tall building on the eastern shore of the Missouri in Burleigh County?

The Legislature is pushing hard for workforce across the State. Seeing faculty positions cut, and declining enrollment, while prioritizing football will not sit well with many western legislators. They will start asking hard questions about why are those donors not funding the university to get the workforce those same donors (eastern business) are clamoring for. It would only give the Legislature more reason to be skeptical of higher ed funding and that hurts all of NDUS. 

[homer]

12 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

So the AAC is going to reach over the MAC, C-USA, the MWC, the SBC, into FCS, to add a football only. Looking at the AAC footprint I'd say they have a hole: Georgia. I'd more expect the AAC to go after an Atlanta area school. Why? Travel, demographics. 

I don’t disagree.   Just repeating what I was told.  

[The Sicatoka]

What else is in the Legislature? 

Quote

North Dakota’s House majority leader has filed legislation that would let the presidents of Dickinson State, Bismarck State and perhaps other colleges review tenured faculty at any time—and fire them, with no employee power to appeal.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/01/26/bill-north-dakota-presidents-could-fire-tenured-faculty

[jdub27]

10 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

This won’t stop their move to the FBS, that entire move will be funded privately so it won’t affect the rest of the athletics department. Just like their IPF

I'm sure people are pretending that is real, but I'd really like to know where an additional $10 million or so annually is going to come from.
The only FBS conference who might be remotely interested right now is C-USA and that's because they are a dumpster fire.

NDSU doesn't add more revenue than they would get in return to the MWC or AAC. Might work for the MAC but....
Geography is a real thing. Even for an football-only invite, their location does not add anything that benefits other conferences, unless they can convince someone that 3+ hours to the MSP market unlocks that somehow. Doesn't work on the media side of things and it is a pretty big stretch as it relates to recruiting.

The MAC is such a tight knit footprint that Fargo to Dekalb (the closest MAC school) is 600 miles. Dekalb to Buffalo (the furthest bus trip in the MAC) is also 600 miles.

[tnt]

12 hours ago, homer said:

I was told today with confidence that some in Teammakers are confident an AAC invite is coming for football.  Will be interesting to follow if they are making academic cuts.  

Of course, the time to get out is when the decline has started! 

[The Sicatoka]

28 minutes ago, tnt said:

Of course, the time to get out is when the decline has started! 

However, it did work for them DII -> FCS. 

[Kab]

So you think the new president would allow a move to fbs?

 

[farce poobah]

16 hours ago, homer said:

I was told today with confidence that some in Teammakers are confident an AAC invite is coming for football.  Will be interesting to follow if they are making academic cuts.  

Seems like a rumor designed to intimidate the rest of the MVFC from adding more "powers" in the southern reaches of the conference.

[The Sicatoka]

Some scoffed at "online education". Others went in.

And yet others are all in: Arizona, Purdue, and now Arkansas. 

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/01/26/report-u-arkansas-system-may-buy-university-phoenix 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, farce poobah said:

Seems like a rumor designed to intimidate the rest of the MVFC from adding more "powers" in the southern reaches of the conference.

... or as a rumor to (as PA of KFAN would say) "sell hope". 

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

... or as a rumor to (as PA of KFAN would say) "sell hope". 

Screams of "donations are getting harder to secure, let's do something"

[Sioux>Bison]

6 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

But how will that play in the tall building on the eastern shore of the Missouri in Burleigh County?

The Legislature is pushing hard for workforce across the State. Seeing faculty positions cut, and declining enrollment, while prioritizing football will not sit well with many western legislators. They will start asking hard questions about why are those donors not funding the university to get the workforce those same donors (eastern business) are clamoring for. It would only give the Legislature more reason to be skeptical of higher ed funding and that hurts all of NDUS. 

NDSU is going to do what NDSU wants.

[Sioux>Bison]

6 hours ago, jdub27 said:

I'm sure people are pretending that is real, but I'd really like to know where an additional $10 million or so annually is going to come from.
The only FBS conference who might be remotely interested right now is C-USA and that's because they are a dumpster fire.

NDSU doesn't add more revenue than they would get in return to the MWC or AAC. Might work for the MAC but....
Geography is a real thing. Even for an football-only invite, their location does not add anything that benefits other conferences, unless they can convince someone that 3+ hours to the MSP market unlocks that somehow. Doesn't work on the media side of things and it is a pretty big stretch as it relates to recruiting.

The MAC is such a tight knit footprint that Fargo to Dekalb (the closest MAC school) is 600 miles. Dekalb to Buffalo (the furthest bus trip in the MAC) is also 600 miles.

A football only invite would be easy for them to work out. Increased revenue will pay for it. They can’t afford a full conference invite. Entz has already hinted at an AAC invite 

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

NDSU is going to do what NDSU wants.

... and the rest of us get caught in the concussion. 

[The Sicatoka]

4 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

A football only invite would be easy for them to work out. Increased revenue will pay for it. They can’t afford a full conference invite. Entz has already hinted at an AAC invite 

You're talking doubling NDSU's FB budget to be AAC average. That's $5 million bump at least. And even if they are football-only Title IX impacts still apply. If they add 22 mens grants they add 22 womens grants. It's a big lift. 

AAC Football budgets: https://www.agent49.net/aac-football-budgets-and-coaching-salaries-2022/ 
For reference/comparison: NDSU Football budget.

[Bison Dan]

Well if we take what you guys get from the general fund it would cover the 5 million.  

[The Sicatoka]

16 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Well if we take what you guys get from the general fund it would cover the 5 million.  

Don't confuse the State's "general fund" with "general funds" (monies allocated from the state to be used at local discretion) in the university budget. And yes, UND uses its general funds monies to fund Athletics. 

If you reallocated from NDSU's "general funds" right now to Athletics you'd have even more programs and staff to cut than what's on slides 8-10. 

 

Is this where we question why NDSU thinks the ND Legacy Fund should be tapped for their research initiatives (slide 15).
And shouldn't salary and operations increases be part of a managed annual budget and not special "legislative request" items (slide 16). 

[jdub27]

54 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Well if we take what you guys get from the general fund it would cover the 5 million.  

NDSU students don't see the need/want to give additional funds to athletics. UND students voted to increase what they contributed share.
UND also provides more student aid and a more proportionate balance of opportunities to women's sports, which tend to bring in less revenue to cover their operating costs. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

ndac to aac.....haha yeah right

[homer]

2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Well if we take what you guys get from the general fund it would cover the 5 million.  

Put it to vote and have your students approve.