Playoffs or bust

[UNDColorado]

Is this right!?  S Utah has the 16th hardest schedule????  There wins include teams that are currently 5-5, 5-5, 4-6, 5-5, 2-8, 1-9 and the 0-11 d2 team.  Their losses are utah st 5-5, sdsu 8-2 and 8-2 port st.  The combined L-W record of the opposing teams are 43-58 includes d2 team and only sdsu playoff bound. Unds combined 45-55 includes fbs and montana ( potential) and ndsu as playoff bound.  Something doesn't add up 

It didn't make any sense to me either.

[Nodak78]

I don't know how they figure SOS schedule but that seems high to me for SUU's rating.

[Cratter]

Schedule strength based off Massey Ratings.

I do think if its Southern Utah vs UND, UND gets in. 

Where do you draw the line? Do you punish a team for scheduling a D2 team, instead of Incarnate Word, yet they finish ahead of the others in the polls and conference standings (isn't that sorta what conferences are about to see how those teams compare against the same teams?) And have a harder schedule.

.....the committees history has said yes.

 

Basically if Southern Utah losses and UND wins and gets into the playoffs we can thank Southern Utah for its  scheduling mistake.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Cratter

[FargoBison]

Right or wrong it doesn't matter much, SUU either wins and gets the autobid or is out of the field with only 6 DI wins and zero impressive wins. 

SOS doesn't mean a ton to the committee unless it is either very strong or very weak. Impressive wins carry more weight, you guys should be the biggest PSU fans in the country on Saturday. Gets rid of EWU and that beefs up your big win a well. 

 

[Hambone]

Right or wrong it doesn't matter much, SUU either wins and gets the autobid or is out of the field with only 6 DI wins and zero impressive wins. 

SOS doesn't mean a ton to the committee unless it is either very strong or very weak. Impressive wins carry more weight, you guys should be the biggest PSU fans in the country on Saturday. Gets rid of EWU and that beefs up your big win a well. 

 

Absolutely.  Also big fans of Montana State to eliminate the Griz.  Too lazy to look it up - are most of the other games schedule much earlier than UNDs game?  So we may have an idea what's going on before UND even takes the field?

[FargoBison]

Absolutely.  Also big fans of Montana State to eliminate the Griz.  Too lazy to look it up - are most of the other games schedule much earlier than UNDs game?  So we may have an idea what's going on before UND even takes the field?

Yeah, looks like your game is the last one on the FCS slate so you should know just where you stand.

Nova is another team to watch out for, if they beat JMU they would have three wins over playoff teams. Lose and they are done. 

[The Sicatoka]

There's only one game Saturday: Beat Cal Poly. 

[sprig]

Absolutely.  Also big fans of Montana State to eliminate the Griz.  Too lazy to look it up - are most of the other games schedule much earlier than UNDs game?  So we may have an idea what's going on before UND even takes the field?

griz/mtu at 1(root), others start at either 2 or 4 (all cst on eversport), UND at 8, so all should be done when und/cp starts

Edited November 17, 2015 by sprig

[UND1983]

Don't forget that losing to ISU hurts a lot too.  Yes they look at SOS but also who you lost to.  That loss was a very bad one for a team that will be hanging on the bubble.  I would like to see UND make it in and hopefully some of those other games play out in your favor. 

Then, they look at trends and see UND lost 3 in a row there.  Why I wonder?  Oh, then they won 3 in a row to end the year.  Why I wonder?  How you finish is as big as any loss you have.  Who you beat is way bigger than who you lost to when you're 7-4.  

Losing to Idaho State is not going to keep UND out of the playoffs.

[UND1983]

Yes but if you have a bunch of 7-4 teams with similar SOS, do you think they would take a 7-4 team losing to ISU over a 7-4 team having their worst loss to say Montana?

What was there best win?  UND's look pretty good compared to most 7-4 teams right now, with Montana having as good of wins.  

A big win, or two in UND's case, are way more important than a bad loss.

[SWSiouxMN]

For the record that Wyoming win is starting to look about the same as beating a Northern Colorado team.  They are 1-10 and have hardly even been that close in a large chunk of their games.  Yes it's an FBS win but it's a very weak FBS win.

At this point might as well draw them out of a damn hat. 

[Nodak78]

For the record that Wyoming win is starting to look about the same as beating a Northern Colorado team.  They are 1-10 and have hardly even been that close in a large chunk of their games.  Yes it's an FBS win but it's a very weak FBS win.

It is FBS  and FBS counts more than FCS period.

[UNDColorado]

Even though Wyoming sucks they still have 22 more scholarships and we played them we kicked their ass on the road.

Edited November 17, 2015 by UNDColorado

[UND1983]

yes and the losses count too.

You have no clue.  You are so hung up on 1 bad loss, one.  The rest of the losses are to winning or .500 teams. 

You completely ignore PSU win and Wyoming win.  Committee won't even care about that loss after seeing rest of the schedule.  

Oh, and Simple Rating System.  Heard of it?

[Nodak78]

our Wyoming win counted   +1.35  (All road wins count +1.25 except FBS they +1.35)

our Idaho loss counted       -1.25  ( All road losses count -1.25)

Our Portland st. win counts +1.25

Our Montana loss counted   -.75  (All road losses count -.75)

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

And we're one injury away from being 8-2 with the autobid in hand

Keaton or Cole? who is more valuable do you think?

[Longtime fan]

Don't forget that losing to ISU hurts a lot too.  Yes they look at SOS but also who you lost to.  That loss was a very bad one for a team that will be hanging on the bubble.  I would like to see UND make it in and hopefully some of those other games play out in your favor. 

That doesn't have anything to do with SOS.  

[Longtime fan]

When is a fbs win not an fbs win?

[geaux_sioux]

Keaton or Cole? who is more valuable do you think?

Keaton.

[jdub27]

When is a fbs win not an fbs win?

When a team not named NDSU beats a weak FBS team?

[geaux_sioux]

Yea that win against the worst Kansas team ever seemed to do just fine.

[jdub27]

Yea that win against the worst Kansas team ever seemed to do just fine.

Hold on now. The 2015 Kansas Jayhawks would like to have a talk with you...

[Cratter]

The nice thing is there is a couple of games being played that can help UND's chances:

Portland State over Eastern Washington.

Montana State over Montana.

To a "lesser extent:"

James Madison over Villanova.

Maine over New Hampshire.

[Cratter]

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's how UND doesn't get in?: 

Eastern Washington beats Portland State. EWU is in.

Montana beats Montana State. Montana is in.

Winner of SSU and NAU.

Portland State is already in.

.....I'm not sure five teams would get in from the Big Sky.

It would be do they choose EWU or UND with identical records. Do they choose UND with the FBS win or EWU with the better conference record?

Another reason to cheer for Southern Utah, Montana State, and Portland of course, because otherwise EWU losses could all potentially be against playoff teams (If UNI wins they are probably in...Go Southern Illinois) and the Oregon Ducks.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Cratter

[2TRU4U]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's how UND doesn't get in?: 

Eastern Washington beats Portland State. EWU is in.

Montana beats Montana State. Montana is in.

Winner of SSU and NAU.

Portland State is already in.

.....I'm not sure five teams would get in from the Big Sky.

It would be do they choose EWU or UND with identical records. Do they choose UND with the FBS win or EWU with the better conference record?

Another reason to cheer for Southern Utah, Montana State, and Portland of course, because otherwise EWU losses could all potentially be against playoff teams (If UNI wins they are probably in...Go Southern Illinois) and the Oregon Ducks.

Yes