Cost of Attendance

[82SiouxGuy]

58 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Please explain your 5+ Million deficit if your accounting is so great and explain where the athletic dept is going to make up the 1 million pledged to the deficit.  With COA that's 2 million of new monies that need to be raised. 

The deficit that was explained during the legislative session over a year ago? The deficit that has been taken care of already? And what does that have to do with NDSU explaining their "budget plan" like this, http://www.inforum.com/news/3947253-ndsus-64-million-budget-cut-plan-sent-system-office-has-just-one-line? Oh wait, you're just trolling as usual because you you're trying to cover for NDSU and change the topic.

[Bison Dan]

12 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said:

The deficit that was explained during the legislative session over a year ago? The deficit that has been taken care of already? And what does that have to do with NDSU explaining their "budget plan" like this, http://www.inforum.com/news/3947253-ndsus-64-million-budget-cut-plan-sent-system-office-has-just-one-line? Oh wait, you're just trolling as usual because you you're trying to cover for NDSU and change the topic.

So what.  Why out of the 11 universities you guys had one?  This is a COA thread so where's your plan.  Must be like the DI move plan.  (non-existent) Look how that worked out.  Same attitude as before - If NDSU can do it we can too. 

[Dagger]

Dan is a very loyal UND follower.  He is even working on Sunday mornings for UND.

[homer]

18 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

So what.  Why out of the 11 universities you guys had one?  This is a COA thread so where's your plan.  Must be like the DI move plan.  (non-existent) Look how that worked out.  Same attitude as before - If NDSU can do it we can too. 

You mean offer FCOA?  We did this last recruiting session and it didn't seem to be an issue.  

Using your logic NDSU and UND both followed Liberty.  They were the trailblazers for the rest of us.  

[Risky]

You would think Bison Dan would be busy following their men's and women's  basketball teams.  Their sure finishing their seasons strong.  Did they even make their conference tournaments in Sioux Falls? 

[zonadub]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

You didn't pass along anything with any substance, thanks for playing though. But feel free to keep pretending you have all the insider info but not providing a single fact that would actual back that up, it obviously makes you feel good about yourself despite looking ridiculous to everyone else. So far the hard hitting information you've "passed along" has been you know a guy who claims UND Is broke because he didn't get paid when he thought he should and NDSU has things going on behind the scenes they apparently can't share with the people they are asking more money for. Real solid intel Sherlock.

Sounds familiar...

%gobc bisonville style

[The Sicatoka]

5 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Please explain your 5+ Million deficit if your accounting is so great and explain where the athletic dept is going to make up the 1 million pledged to the deficit.  With COA that's 2 million of new monies that need to be raised. 

I can't decide what you're more upset about:

- Ed Schafer coming onto the scene for UND, leading by setting firm expectations for departments to meet, and fixing the budget shortfall issues in very short order (and you know a former governor would not blow smoke about having done something like that), or

- NDSU embarrassing itself by putting out a one-line budget reduction "plan" (and getting called out on it by their local media mouthpiece). 

It's probably Schafer, because nothing NDSU could do, even putting out that farce of a plan document, would you ever question.  

[82SiouxGuy]

7 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

So what.  Why out of the 11 universities you guys had one?  This is a COA thread so where's your plan.  Must be like the DI move plan.  (non-existent) Look how that worked out.  Same attitude as before - If NDSU can do it we can too. 

The original deficit was mainly related to the cap on tuition. That budget was prepared well before the legislature decided to cap the tuition increase last year. So the budget needed to be adjusted to cover a $5 million deficit on a well over $200 million budget. In other words, about 2%. They didn't rush into it because they didn't need to hurry and make mistakes. They have already fixed that plus more, and are well on the way to fixing the other decrease caused by the low oil tax revenues, the same cause that is resulting in 4% reductions in all state agencies. What is NDSU's plan to fix that 4% reduction?

[Bison Dan]

3 hours ago, 82SiouxGuy said:

The original deficit was mainly related to the cap on tuition. That budget was prepared well before the legislature decided to cap the tuition increase last year. So the budget needed to be adjusted to cover a $5 million deficit on a well over $200 million budget. In other words, about 2%. They didn't rush into it because they didn't need to hurry and make mistakes. They have already fixed that plus more, and are well on the way to fixing the other decrease caused by the low oil tax revenues, the same cause that is resulting in 4% reductions in all state agencies. What is NDSU's plan to fix that 4% reduction?

Well they won't be deficit spending.   And your excuse that they (Administrators) wanted to take their time so as to not make a mistake, you know this how? 

[82SiouxGuy]

19 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Well they won't be deficit spending.   And your excuse that they (Administrators) wanted to take their time so as to not make a mistake, you know this how? 

The deficit was in the budget, not in actual spending. They didn't actually go in the hole. It was a 2 year budget, so they had up to 2 years to find ways to fix the problem before they actually went in the hole. This isn't rocket science Dan, this is really simple stuff. It's how government works in North Dakota. The schools and other departments came up with projected budgets by December of 2014 to cover a period of July 1, 2015-June 30, 2017. The Legislature then took all of the projected budgets and worked out a final state budget by May 2015 for that same 2 year period. During that Legislative session they put a cap on tuition hikes for the schools. So the budget that UND created in Fall 2014 would need to be adjusted so that they didn't over spend during the 7/1/15-6/30/17 period. UND did that during the Fall of 2015, well before it actually became a problem. The UND administration talked about the issue after the Legislative session in May 2015, saying they were going to take the time to make well thought out decisions. Then they took the time to talk with the various departments in the Fall before making final decisions on how to correct the budget. That seems pretty self-explanatory.

Now there is another budget problem because the actual state revenues are going to be lower than the projected revenues. This is due to low oil prices which result in lower oil tax revenue than planned. The Governor has asked for plans to reduce all state budgets by 4%. This includes the budgets for the colleges. Again, this is for the entire 2 year budget cycle, not just for current spending. UND submitted a plan that included things like eliminating some positions, holding off on filling other positions, and increasing some revenues. The plan does not include increasing tuition. NDSU sent in a plan that said "Decrease Operating Expenses $6.4 million". No details, no information on where the decreases would come from. That's it. Or maybe you like budgets like that because you don't have to understand where the dollars are actually going to come from. Probably cuts down on headaches.

 

[darell1976]

12 hours ago, Risky said:

You would think Bison Dan would be busy following their men's and women's  basketball teams.  Their sure finishing their seasons strong.  Did they even make their conference tournaments in Sioux Falls? 

Men did, women didn't.

[Bison Dan]

10 hours ago, 82SiouxGuy said:

 No details, no information on where the decreases would come from. That's it. Or maybe you like budgets like that because you don't have to understand where the dollars are actually going to come from. Probably cuts down on headaches.

 

Kind of like your COA plan right? 

[UND-1]

37 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Kind of like your COA plan right? 

They won't be raising fees so the general students can fund the athletes beer/food money.  So they are starting off fine , IMO.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

Kind of like your COA plan right? 

NDSU had someone give them half the money for the first three years and they still don't have the rest of the money raised nor have they publicly stated how they will be raising it. You think you'd be more concerned about that. 

[North Dakota]

23 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

NDSU had someone give them half the money for the first three years and they still don't have the rest of the money raised nor have they publicly stated how they will be raising it. You think you'd be more concerned about that. 

Raise FB tickets $6 and they are there. We will probably do the same with hockey tickets and it'll be a done deal. COA isn't going to break the bank.

[UNDBIZ]

Are we sure UND didn't submit a similar report to the system office/state budget office regarding the 4% budget cut? The state budget office/governor require agencies to identify the line items cuts are made from and the universities only have 2 lines. We may not want to cast stones on this one.

[82SiouxGuy]

2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Kind of like your COA plan right? 

COA would be part of the budget, Dan.

[82SiouxGuy]

10 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Are we sure UND didn't submit a similar report to the system office/state budget office regarding the 4% budget cut? The state budget office/governor require agencies to identify the line items cuts are made from and the universities only have 2 lines. We may not want to cast stones on this one.

According to this article, http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3956401-president-speaks-und-budget-cuts-well-attended-forum, UND has submitted more than just a 1 line form.

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while an initial plan submitted to the North Dakota University System office Feb. 22 stated some certainties — including that tuition will not be increased, employees would see an average of a 3 percent raise next year and the new SMHS facility construction would go on as planned — other parts of the plan are fluid.

They aren't going to fix a $9 million budget problem in a couple of weeks, but just submitting a plan that says we're going to cut spending doesn't cut it. That form is the sum total of what NDSU submitted for a tentative plan. http://www.inforum.com/news/3947253-ndsus-64-million-budget-cut-plan-sent-system-office-has-just-one-line

[The Sicatoka]

21 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Are we sure UND didn't submit a similar report to the system office/state budget office regarding the 4% budget cut? 

From the same Forum link, 

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The document has one line. It lists a reduction in "Operating Expenses" of $6,402,472.

NDSU spokeswoman Sadie Rudolph said in an email that more details will be available next week.

 

Sounds like a version with more line items to me.

[Herd]

5 hours ago, jdub27 said:

NDSU had someone give them half the money for the first three years and they still don't have the rest of the money raised nor have they publicly stated how they will be raising it. You think you'd be more concerned about that. 

The NDSU AD specifically said that the COA dollars will be raised through private donations, with 1/2 of the amount covered for the 1st 3 years.    He specifically said it will be funded through private donations.    Was he supposed to publically provide a list of private donors . . . would that satisfy the vultures?   So, Ndsu is not waiting for the hammer to drop on several of its athletic programs like Und is anticipating.   The COA mystery is up north.

[homer]

2 minutes ago, Herd said:

The NDSU AD specifically said that the COA dollars will be raised through private donations, with 1/2 of the amount covered for the 1st 3 years.    He specifically said it will be funded through private donations.    Was he supposed to publically provide a list of private donors . . . would that satisfy the vultures?   So, Ndsu is not waiting for the hammer to drop on several of its athletic programs like Und is anticipating.   The COA mystery at up north.

Your athletic dept also said they wouldn't seek funds from students for 5 years.  Were they supposed to actually wait 5 years?  

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, Herd said:

The NDSU AD specifically said that the COA dollars will be raised through private donations, with 1/2 of the amount covered for the 1st 3 years.    He specifically said it will be funded through private donations.    Was he supposed to publically provide a list of private donors . . . would that satisfy the vultures?   So, Ndsu is not waiting for the hammer to drop on several of its athletic programs like Und is anticipating.   The COA mystery at up north.

NDSU offers five less sports, not a good arguing piece for you.  I guess UND needs to drop some sports and provide less opportunities like NDSU does.  Then, shift about 25% more of their scholarships to the Men's side and everything will be even.

[jdub27]

11 minutes ago, Herd said:

The NDSU AD specifically said that the COA dollars will be raised through private donations, with 1/2 of the amount covered for the 1st 3 years.    He specifically said it will be funded through private donations.    Was he supposed to publically provide a list of private donors . . . would that satisfy the vultures?   So, Ndsu is not waiting for the hammer to drop on several of its athletic programs like Und is anticipating.   The COA mystery at up north.

Are private donations now a code word for student fees?

[Herd]

4 minutes ago, homer said:

Your athletic dept also said they wouldn't seek funds from students for 5 years.  Were they supposed to actually wait 5 years?  

You are mixing your topics.   Raising student fees was not given as the way that NDSU will provide FCOA.   It will be raised with private donations.

Now, if NDSU raises student fees to UND's level, why not?   Are you going to argue with that when UND student's are already paying a much higher fee?   You would be talking out of both sides of your mouth if you argued that NDSU should not raise student fees to UND's level.   Raising student fees to a comparable level of regional schools seems like a wise move to me.  New athletic director, new view on where student fees should be . . . its not that hard to understand.

Hey, maybe NDSU should start charging the students for athletics tickets.   Are you going to talk out of both sides of your mouth on that topic too?

[82SiouxGuy]

14 minutes ago, Herd said:

The NDSU AD specifically said that the COA dollars will be raised through private donations, with 1/2 of the amount covered for the 1st 3 years.    He specifically said it will be funded through private donations.    Was he supposed to publically provide a list of private donors . . . would that satisfy the vultures?   So, Ndsu is not waiting for the hammer to drop on several of its athletic programs like Und is anticipating.   The COA mystery at up north.

Aren't they still trying to raise enough donations to pay for the BSA renovations or have they finally finished with that project?