UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[Nodak78]

Adding a little fuel to the fire.

 

http://www.mwcconnection.com/2016/7/26/12291566/mountain-west-big-12-expansion

 

 

[UNDColorado]

On 7/25/2016 at 10:11 PM, Hayduke said:

Wow. 

An irrelevent political statement.  

 

This is the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet today.  And I read a post by Lakes.  

Do I need to get GeauxSioux to threaten you to stay on topic?  

Where does Lakes post these days? I havent seen anything from him in a while and it really is comedy gold.

[SWSiouxMN]

11 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

Where does Lakes post these days? I havent seen anything from him in a while and it really is comedy gold.

check the GF Herald or Fargo forum facebook page

[Hayduke]

22 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

Where does Lakes post these days? I havent seen anything from him in a while and it really is comedy gold.

Last time I saw him posting was on a Mountain West Conference extolling the virtues of having FU join their conference.  The mocking of him was quite funny. 

To his credit, staying on that message it does keep him out of Scheels, away from unsuspecting victim's credit cards and out of the pokey...  

[GeauxSioux]

On ‎7‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 11:11 PM, Hayduke said:

Wow. 

An irrelevent political statement.  

 

This is the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet today.  And I read a post by Lakes.  

Do I need to get GeauxSioux to threaten you to stay on topic?  

I don't threaten.  I challenge. 

[SiouxVolley]

Apparently, Edinburgh TX is going to expand their minor league soccer stadium to 24 k seats, which is not needed for their soccer team.  Sounds like a possible FBS team and stadium for UTRGV.

No word yet on the league that will give Wichita St a shot at FBS.

[NDSU grad]

9 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Apparently, Edinburgh TX is going to expand their minor league soccer stadium to 24 k seats, which is not needed for their soccer team.  Sounds like a possible FBS team and stadium for UTRGV.

No word yet on the league that will give Wichita St a shot at FBS.

They're not expanding their stadium until UTRGV decides what they're going to do, and that front hasn't been too active for a while.  I just don't know why anybody would start a G5 program right now, unless they can be heavily subsidized.

[SiouxVolley]

3 hours ago, NDSU grad said:

They're not expanding their stadium until UTRGV decides what they're going to do, and that front hasn't been too active for a while.  I just don't know why anybody would start a G5 program right now, unless they can be heavily subsidized.

Mack Brown and a committee haven't finalized UTRGV's football plans yet.  Seems awfully strange that the new soccer stadium for the USL's Rio Grand FCS Toros suddenly isnt big enough even though it seats 9400.  The Houston Dynamo own that team so it's not like the USL team can go MLS.  Why else would Edinburgh plan to expand it to 24k but for FBS?

[NDSU grad]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Mack Brown and a committee haven't finalized UTRGV's football plans yet.  Seems awfully strange that the new soccer stadium for the USL's Rio Grand FCS Toros suddenly isnt big enough even though it seats 9400.  The Houston Dynamo own that team so it's not like the USL team can go MLS.  Why else would Edinburgh plan to expand it to 24k but for FBS?

They're not expanding the stadium, they just sold the naming rights for a renovation.  All the mayor of Edinburgh said if UTRGV decides to add football they would love to accomodate them and expand to 24k.  This link is a couple of weeks old but I couldn't find anything more up to date.

http://riograndeguardian.com/edinburg-leaders-we-are-ready-to-house-utrgv-football-program/

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, NDSU grad said:

They're not expanding the stadium, they just sold the naming rights for a renovation.  All the mayor of Edinburgh said if UTRGV decides to add football they would love to accomodate them and expand to 24k.  This link is a couple of weeks old but I couldn't find anything more up to date.

http://riograndeguardian.com/edinburg-leaders-we-are-ready-to-house-utrgv-football-program/

And  my point was 9400 seats was good for an FCS team.  UTRGV clearly has something else in mind.

[SiouxVolley]

On 5/7/2016 at 0:44 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

http://millersports.areavoices.com/2016/05/05/idaho-report-brings-fbs-big-sky-discussions-public/

What is the future of the Big Sky Conference? Two divisions or two separate conferences for football? Will changing landscape actually cause UND to shift to a different conference (MVFC with NDSU, SDSU, USD)? If for nothing else, all interesting questions for general discussion.

The changes are right before Millers eyes, and he refuses to see it.  Kennedy is proposing a change of conferences, but it's not the Slummit.

WAC

UND

Montana

Mt St

Idaho 

E Washington

N Colo

Denver

Wichita St fb only

UMKC

NMSU

Mo St fb only

Sam Houston St

Lamar

UTRGV

- USD and Omaha, and Oral Roberts can join if they can afford it

- The Slummit and MFVC can backfill with Mankato and GVSU

- Having six BSC teams would immediately get a football autobid for the WAC

- A move to FBS can be at the teams leisure, as long as the WAC qualifies as FBS before the CFP playoff negotiations begin again before 2025

- UNC can move back to the Big Sky, as they can't afford FBS

- WAC tournament in KC or Denver

- Chicago State's enrollment has been dropping precipitously, and new enrollment is almost non existent.  This will likely be CSU's last year at DI if it continues at all.

The Big Sky will take in GCU, UVU, Seattle, and Bakersfield.  DII schools like Dixie St, Cal Baptist, and Azusa Pacific can join later.  

UC Davis, Sac St, and Cal Poly can join the WAC later, when Wichita St and Mo St leave.  Those two want a higher basketball league and don't want to go to the Sun Belt.

The XDSU'S will have their dream of going to the MVC when Wichita St and Mo St leave, so they will be very happy.

Lastly, the XDSU trolls say FBS is beyond UND's capability.  But they aren't harassing Coastal Carolina fans, even though Coastal has much less going for it than UND, like football attendance and endowments and alumni.  Coastal came from the lowly Big South conference to FBS, which is not supposed to happen according to MVFC fans.  Coastal won the baseball national championship out of that conference, so we've each one a national championship against FBS competition in sports other than football.

Lamar, Sam Houston St and UTRGV are all capable of going FBS, but the Sun Belt will not consider them.  But it did seriously consider Eastern Kentucky, which is in the "power" OVC.  XDSU's trolls don't have an explanation to why either E Kentucky or Coastal got serious looks from the Belt.  They will be even more deluded about UND and other BSC and MVC and Southland schools going to the WAC.

[SiouxVolley]

Just a few more thoughts on Kennedy and changing conferences.

One doesn't have a committee to evaluate such things, as the conference in question will raise their exit fees unless its really desperate.  The Slummit badly needs another baseball school and UND just happened to drop it this spring.  Bresciani would be declaring that UND has an offer now, as he needs story show collaboration with UND.  Bresciani hasn't said a word, which is funny because that could help save his job.  #

The WAC is nearing desperation times, as Chicago St is on its deathbed.  That would leave the WAC with seven schools, and one, GCU, isn't even a full DI member yet.  UND is a s/d member in good standing, so UND personnel are in frequent talks with WAC officials just be the nature of an affiliation.

Denver would move now because the Slummit isn't in their desires (the Big West or WCC are, but they don't want them now).  Idaho, Montana, and MT St are similar institutions to UND, and they don't want a continued association if a Big Sky that will be non-flagship except them.  UND, NMSU, Denver, UMKC and even UTRGV offer academics that the UI, UM, and MT St want to be associated with.

The WAC has offered, and UND may be the first to take it, subject to the West Coast WAC schools leaving for the Big Sky.  

IMHO, this split was set up back when UMKC accepted a WAC invitation.  One of the conditions was that KC would host a future conference bball tournament.  UMKC to the WAC was a long term thing that finally makes sense, except to XDSU trolls.

[bison73]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The changes are right before Millers eyes, and he refuses to see it.  Kennedy is proposing a change of conferences, but it's not the Slummit.

WAC

UND

Montana

Mt St

Idaho 

E Washington

N Colo

Denver

Wichita St fb only

UMKC

NMSU

Mo St fb only

Sam Houston St

Lamar

UTRGV

- USD and Omaha, and Oral Roberts can join if they can afford it

- The Slummit and MFVC can backfill with Mankato and GVSU

- Having six BSC teams would immediately get a football autobid for the WAC

- A move to FBS can be at the teams leisure, as long as the WAC qualifies as FBS before the CFP playoff negotiations begin again before 2025

- UNC can move back to the Big Sky, as they can't afford FBS

- WAC tournament in KC or Denver

- Chicago State's enrollment has been dropping precipitously, and new enrollment is almost non existent.  This will likely be CSU's last year at DI if it continues at all.

The Big Sky will take in GCU, UVU, Seattle, and Bakersfield.  DII schools like Dixie St, Cal Baptist, and Azusa Pacific can join later.  

UC Davis, Sac St, and Cal Poly can join the WAC later, when Wichita St and Mo St leave.  Those two want a higher basketball league and don't want to go to the Sun Belt.

The XDSU'S will have their dream of going to the MVC when Wichita St and Mo St leave, so they will be very happy.

Lastly, the XDSU trolls say FBS is beyond UND's capability.  But they aren't harassing Coastal Carolina fans, even though Coastal has much less going for it than UND, like football attendance and endowments and alumni.  Coastal came from the lowly Big South conference to FBS, which is not supposed to happen according to MVFC fans.  Coastal won the baseball national championship out of that conference, so we've each one a national championship against FBS competition in sports other than football.

Lamar, Sam Houston St and UTRGV are all capable of going FBS, but the Sun Belt will not consider them.  But it did seriously consider Eastern Kentucky, which is in the "power" OVC.  XDSU's trolls don't have an explanation to why either E Kentucky or Coastal got serious looks from the Belt.  They will be even more deluded about UND and other BSC and MVC and Southland schools going to the WAC.

Geography.

 

Has the WAC made any offers? Has any of these schools said they were interested and or will accept an offer?

Hmmmm why do they have to wait for the WAC? You said the NCAA was going to change the rules remember. Oh wait that didnt happen did it. Wait what happened to all those other predictions  that you said were going to come true but the BSC commissioner gave up on it when he couldnt sell it. That was a quote by the way. I guess you were the only fish to take that one hook line and sinker. Looks like you are the one whos deluded.

[SiouxVolley]

7 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Geography.

 

Has the WAC made any offers? Has any of these schools said they were interested and or will accept an offer?

Hmmmm why do they have to wait for the WAC? You said the NCAA was going to change the rules remember. Oh wait that didnt happen did it. Wait what happened to all those other predictions  that you said were going to come true but the BSC commissioner gave up on it when he couldnt sell it. That was a quote by the way. I guess you were the only fish to take that one hook line and sinker.

Lamar and Sam Houston St are well within the Sun Belts geography, so you are clueless on that too.  Maybe S F Austin, which has had a powerful bb team would go FBS too.  Those three schools are almost Texas triplets.

The Big Sky had signs for years that parts of it wanted FBS.  Never knew that the WAC could still offer FBS slots.  But you have stated for years that's impossible for part of it to go FBS.  The WAC and Big Sky are like cooperative partners that will help each other, by giving free entrance and no exit fees, so schools can slip to either one.  Such an arrangement boggles your mind.

[nd1sufan]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The changes are right before Millers eyes, and he refuses to see it.  Kennedy is proposing a change of conferences, but it's not the Slummit.

WAC

UND

Montana

Mt St

Idaho 

E Washington

N Colo

Denver

Wichita St fb only

UMKC

NMSU

Mo St fb only

Sam Houston St

Lamar

UTRGV

- USD and Omaha, and Oral Roberts can join if they can afford it

- The Slummit and MFVC can backfill with Mankato and GVSU

- Having six BSC teams would immediately get a football autobid for the WAC

- A move to FBS can be at the teams leisure, as long as the WAC qualifies as FBS before the CFP playoff negotiations begin again before 2025

- UNC can move back to the Big Sky, as they can't afford FBS

- WAC tournament in KC or Denver

- Chicago State's enrollment has been dropping precipitously, and new enrollment is almost non existent.  This will likely be CSU's last year at DI if it continues at all.

The Big Sky will take in GCU, UVU, Seattle, and Bakersfield.  DII schools like Dixie St, Cal Baptist, and Azusa Pacific can join later.  

UC Davis, Sac St, and Cal Poly can join the WAC later, when Wichita St and Mo St leave.  Those two want a higher basketball league and don't want to go to the Sun Belt.

The XDSU'S will have their dream of going to the MVC when Wichita St and Mo St leave, so they will be very happy.

Lastly, the XDSU trolls say FBS is beyond UND's capability.  But they aren't harassing Coastal Carolina fans, even though Coastal has much less going for it than UND, like football attendance and endowments and alumni.  Coastal came from the lowly Big South conference to FBS, which is not supposed to happen according to MVFC fans.  Coastal won the baseball national championship out of that conference, so we've each one a national championship against FBS competition in sports other than football.

Lamar, Sam Houston St and UTRGV are all capable of going FBS, but the Sun Belt will not consider them.  But it did seriously consider Eastern Kentucky, which is in the "power" OVC.  XDSU's trolls don't have an explanation to why either E Kentucky or Coastal got serious looks from the Belt.  They will be even more deluded about UND and other BSC and MVC and Southland schools going to the WAC.

Of course! How stupid of Tom Miller not to see the obvious!!! That WAC set up was exactly how Kennedy was planning on making up the $1.4 million deficit and come up with the extra million or so to pay for cost of attendance. The travel cost savings would be huge travelling to Texas or New Mexico instead of Montana or Oregon. Can you imagine how much UND could charge for a ticket to see Lamar ot UTRGV? They would be turning ticket buyers away! 

 

[SiouxVolley]

4 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Of course! How stupid of Tom Miller not to see the obvious!!! That WAC set up was exactly how Kennedy was planning on making up the $1.4 million deficit and come up with the extra million or so to pay for cost of attendance. The travel cost savings would be huge travelling to Texas or New Mexico instead of Montana or Oregon. Can you imagine how much UND could charge for a ticket to see Lamar ot UTRGV? They would be turning ticket buyers away! 

 

Conference changes are normally Uber expensive with entrance and exit fees.  So how would a conference change  benefit UND finacially immediately?  The Big Sky and Slummit are at war with each other, so neither want to lose teams to the other. Meanwhile, all the Big Sky affiliate teams have found refuge in the WAC, so relationships between them are entirely peaceful.

The Big Sky has also said in the past it will have a research division. The WAC will be that. 

Lamar and Sam Houston St will probably delayed, as they don't need an FCS conference.  But Wichita State needs an FCS and an FBS one, and the WAC will provide both.

 

[nd1sufan]

5 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Conference changes are normally Uber expensive with entrance and exit fees.  So how would a conference change  benefit UND finacially immediately?  The Big Sky and Slummit are at war with each other, so neither want to lose teams to the other. Meanwhile, all the Big Sky affiliate teams have found refuge in the WAC, so relationships between them are entirely peaceful.

The Big Sky has also said in the past it will have a research division. The WAC will be that. 

Lamar and Sam Houston St will probably delayed, as they don't need an FCS conference.  But Wichita State needs an FCS and an FBS one, and the WAC will provide both.

 

How would it save UND money? You haven't answered that.

[SiouxVolley]

2 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

How would it save UND money? You haven't answered that.

Not much, but UND won't be flying to Arizona, Utah, Oregon or California for conference games.  Academic relationships would be much more valued in the WAC.

Kennedy uses the budget to swing a committee into action, but he'll present a solution that the Heraldo geniuses haven't considered.  Going to the Slummit or MVFC would cost massively in up front fees.  The Big Sky will give the WAC UND's entrance fee and call it a day.  

[nd1sufan]

2 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Not much, but UND won't be flying to Arizona, Utah, Oregon or California for conference games.  Academic relationships would be much more valued in the WAC.

Kennedy uses the budget to swing a committee into action, but he'll present a solution that the Heraldo geniuses haven't considered.  Going to the Slummit or MVFC would cost massively in up front fees.  The Big Sky will give the WAC UND's entrance fee and call it a day.  

So flying to Texas, Washington, New Mexico and Idaho is so much better? I think Kennedy is thinking more in the line of bus trips to Fargo, Brookings, Vermillion and Omaha. Or maybe Bemidji, St. Cloud and Moorhead is more plausible than the BSC/WAC set up. But keep the dream alive. Maybe when all of the Big Sky presidents get back from vacation there will be a big press conference. I bet Whicita State backers are bursting with excitement in anticipation of that powerhouse FB conference. Who doesn't think big time football when you see UTRGV, Lamar, Northern Colorado and UND. I am surprised they have been able to keep it secret this long.

[bison73]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Lamar and Sam Houston St are well within the Sun Belts geography, so you are clueless on that too.  Maybe S F Austin, which has had a powerful bb team would go FBS too.  Those three schools are almost Texas triplets.

The Big Sky had signs for years that parts of it wanted FBS.  Never knew that the WAC could still offer FBS slots.  But you have stated for years that's impossible for part of it to go FBS.  The WAC and Big Sky are like cooperative partners that will help each other, by giving free entrance and no exit fees, so schools can slip to either one.  Such an arrangement boggles your mind.

Just because there are other schools geographically doesnt mean geography wasnt one of the reasons they were selected. You made a statement and I gave a reason.  It seem it was you who was perplexed CC went FBS while UND supposedly had more going for it. If thats true then why didnt they give you the invite? Why hasnt UND been invited to FBS by anyone for that matter? Lets see-----3200 miles round trip to South Carolina from GF. Yeah Im sure those schools all want to make that trip. But yeah geography isnt a consideration.

You are incorrect again. Years? LOL

They are cooperative partners? LOL Where do dream this stuff up? If they we such cooperative partners why didnt they let the BSC now that they could offer them FBS anytime they wanted?   Its because the BSC commissioner couldnt sell the idea and nobody is pursuing it. You are the only one beating this dead horse . You swallowed that one hook, line and sinker.

[Gothmog]

13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

 

- A move to FBS can be at the teams leisure, as long as the WAC qualifies as FBS before the CFP playoff negotiations begin again before 2025

 

 

So, now you're pushing your theory back to 2025? Nine years for you spin your yarns?

[UNDColorado]

Looks like Volley fired up the trolls again...so damn easy lol.

[Gothmog]

2 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

Looks like Volley fired up the trolls again...so damn easy lol.

No, he just cursed your board with 9 years of nonsense.

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

No, he just cursed your board with 9 years of nonsense.

Yet you guys are the only one's that seem to get worked up about it.  

[SiouxVolley]

13 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

 

So, now you're pushing your theory back to 2025? Nine years for you spin your yarns?

You trolls can simply not read or certainly not do simple arithmetic.

The WAC needs to be a full FBS conference by 2022 to be part of the CFP FBS table for contract negotiations.  That might be cutting it close.