yzerman19 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 2013-2014 Gopher scoring leaders in NHL (Kessel, Okposo, Wheeler, Vanek) combined +/- minus 3 Sioux scoring leaders in NHL (Toews, Oshie, Parise, Zajac) +/- plus 58 Team first! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariucci Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 would Nate Schmidt if he hadn't? Or Erik haula? It's really a dumb argument. You can find success stories and failures at nearly every program in college hockey. As for rau- he quit playing next to bjugstad and started playing next to whoever he has been playing with the last two years. That's probably your differenceThat being said, lucia doesn't seem to be a great head coach. Maybe the worst of the five MN d1 schools One of the most preposterous statements in history of message boards. If Lucia isn't a very good coach with 2 NCAA titles then what is Hakstool? By your logic, he's a terrible coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 would Nate Schmidt if he hadn't? Or Erik haula? It's really a dumb argument. You can find success stories and failures at nearly every program in college hockey. As for rau- he quit playing next to bjugstad and started playing next to whoever he has been playing with the last two years. That's probably your difference That being said, lucia doesn't seem to be a great head coach. Maybe the worst of the five MN d1 schools So don't you think he may develop his players a little less than a better coach? I'm missing something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 One of the most preposterous statements in history of message boards. If Lucia isn't a very good coach with 2 NCAA titles then what is Hakstool? By your logic, he's a terrible coach. WAS a good coach *pokes bear* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 By the way, I am not trying to pick any fights...both elite programs with great success stories at the next level...It feels good to get a blue chipper that MInny is hot after...last one like that did okay for us (ZPar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 By the way, I am not trying to pick any fights...both elite programs with great success stories at the next level...It feels good to get a blue chipper that MInny is hot after...last one like that did okay for us (ZPar) Kristo, Oshie, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Rau very well may reach the 40 point mark for the 4th consecutive year which nowadays doesn't happen. He's absolutely a better player now than he was as a freshman even though the points may not show it. He's stronger on the puck, better defensively, a better leader. Nothing happened to Rau "along the way." Better defensively and a better leader? The way he leads his team and the way the gophs play d it looks to me like he is moving in the wrong direction. Points he is putting up this year don't mean a thing. Hockey is a team sport and haven't there been rumblings that he has been an issue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnews Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 So don't you think he may develop his players a little less than a better coach? I'm missing something... There is more to coaching than development. I don't know how is he at developing kids. I see in the last couple years they had an undrafted kid in Nate Schmidt become a full time NHLer and a seventh rounder in haula become a very good NHLer. Then they had a second rounder in budish wind up in the echl. When I called him a bad coach- I was referring to the fact that all of his teams appear to play uninspired whereas with motsko, Hastings etc I don't see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Okposo, Vanek, Kessel, Wheeler, and Bjugstad. < Toews, Parise, Oshie, Zajac Look at the TEAMS of those players. Congrats on having the best player on god awful teams... Crappy Isles; Crappy Isles, Sabres' (good Isles now led by Tavares), Crappy Maple Leafs, Crappy Jets and Crappy Panthers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariucci Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 By the way, I am not trying to pick any fights...both elite programs with great success stories at the next level...It feels good to get a blue chipper that MInny is hot after...last one like that did okay for us (ZPar) I wasn't trying to hijack the thread either but that post was just blatantly biased and factually incorrect. Obviously both programs are elite when it comes to sending players to the NHL. One thing that is interesting about this is that there are 9 Gopher D-men in the NHL while there are only 2 from UND. I know the Gophers offensive style of D-men are more suitable for the NHL now but still I'm shocked that UND hasn't produced many blue liners. Probably just a fluke but weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I wasn't trying to hijack the thread either but that post was just blatantly biased and factually incorrect. Obviously both programs are elite when it comes to sending players to the NHL. One thing that is interesting about this is that there are 9 Gopher D-men in the NHL while there are only 2 from UND. I know the Gophers offensive style of D-men are more suitable for the NHL now but still I'm shocked that UND hasn't produced many blue liners. Probably just a fluke but weird. Especially considering the draft status of some of those d-men...Lee and Finley were both #1s...Chorney was a high #2 and a captain of team USA at the WJC..Smaby was a #2...I have called that into question myself... excellent two-way forwards...you bet...some forward grinders who develop over 4 years and make it...yup...d-men...well...Greene... Especially odd given Hak and Berry are both dmen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnews Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 That is interesting. It does seem to be much less often that a defenseman chooses UND over Minnesota and much more often a forward chooses UND over Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 yep- we develop NHL superstar forwards and cup of coffee dmen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 That must be why there are 16 Gophers in the NHL this year while there are 14 UND players. It must also be why 5 Gophers led their NHL teams in scoring last season while zero UND players did the same. LOL, I was just thinking how Bjudstad seems to have developed nicely after he took off the brown and yellow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariucci Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Especially considering the draft status of some of those d-men...Lee and Finley were both #1s...Chorney was a high #2 and a captain of team USA at the WJC..Smaby was a #2...I have called that into question myself... excellent two-way forwards...you bet...some forward grinders who develop over 4 years and make it...yup...d-men...well...Greene... Especially odd given Hak and Berry are both dmen. No doubt guys like Parise, Toews, and Oshie were and are better two way players than Vanek and Kessel. Parise is still the hardest working forward I've ever seen play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 That being said, lucia doesn't seem to be a great head coach. Maybe the worst of the five MN d1 schools C'mon, homer, that statement is absolutely absurd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Maybe if he wasn't so cocky about his belief that Boeser would choose Minnesota, people wouldn't take such glee in him being wrong. That said, we have lost many high end guys to Minnesota, and we seem to always do well. Perhaps Minnesota could use a few more guys that have to work hard in order to crack the lineup. Sometimes when you think you can rely on talent alone, you think things are going to be handed to you. Hakstol said that when the guys came to the realization that is how they had to play night in and night out to win, that is when they started having success. Sometimes it takes a while to learn that lesson, like our Senior class this year did a while ago. Hopefully the guys that remain can impart that to the rookies next year, because if you have a bad start to a season, the catching up can really wear on you. One thing that was funny. I think when talk first started about Boeser walking away from Wisconsin, Hammy posted something about having to eat his words. He apparently was pretty confident that wouldn't happen, and all of a sudden it appeared likely. A couple of months later he is posting pretty confidently that MN has Boeser all but wrapped up. Looks like he had to go back for seconds with respect to eating those words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnews Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 C'mon, homer, that statement is absolutely absurd. I'll give you serratore. It's absurd to say the other three are better coaches than lucia? Explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFanatic Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 One thing that was funny. I think when talk first started about Boeser walking away from Wisconsin, Hammy posted something about having to eat his words. He apparently was pretty confident that wouldn't happen, and all of a sudden it appeared likely. A couple of months later he is posting pretty confidently that MN has Boeser all but wrapped up. Looks like he had to go back for seconds with respect to eating those words. It's always great when he is wrong. His excuse is that the alleged turmoil within the Gopher hockey program is the factor as to why Boeser chose UND. He's got two buddies still going there. I highly doubt it is as big of a factor as he'd like to make it be. Even more, Hammy scoffed at Andy Johnson aka Chuck Schwartz since he had the audacity to say that the decision between Minnesota/UND was much closer than some thought. Also add in the fact that Andy mentioned that North Dakota fitted more into Boeser's style. Looks like Andy was correct on both statements he made. Boeser chose North Dakota and Brock told NHL.com that "It was a combination of me feeling good with the coaches, the facilities, and their style of play," Boeser told NHL.com in an email. "I think it's the best fit for me and my development." Link to NHL.com article on Boeser's committment: http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=37024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjensen Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Don't know if there was any interest but Jordan Klehr from Shattuck is going to UNO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariucci Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'll give you serratore. It's absurd to say the other three are better coaches than lucia? Explain How can you possibly argue that Hastings is a better college coach than Lucia? Or Motzko or Sandelin? Lucia has accomplished more than those 3 combined. And before you make the point that it's much tougher to win at Mankato, UMD, and SCSU than the U just remember that it was Lucia who turned around one of the worst programs in just ONE season at CC taking them from worst to first and made them a national power. He's already won big time at a struggling program and has won 2 NCAA titles with an elite one. Please give me your argument as to why Hastings, Motzko, and Sandelin are better coaches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's always great when he is wrong. His excuse is that the alleged turmoil within the Gopher hockey program is the factor as to why Boeser chose UND. He's got two buddies still going there. I highly doubt it is as big of a factor as he'd like to make it be. Even more, Hammy scoffed at Andy Johnson aka Chuck Schwartz since he had the audacity to say that the decision between Minnesota/UND was much closer than some thought. Also add in the fact that Andy mentioned that North Dakota fitted more into Boeser's style. Looks like Andy was correct on both statements he made. Boeser chose North Dakota and Brock told NHL.com that "It was a combination of me feeling good with the coaches, the facilities, and their style of play," Boeser told NHL.com in an email. "I think it's the best fit for me and my development."Link to NHL.com article on Boeser's committment: http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=37024 Kind of funny they compared his style of play to that of Kyle Okposo in light of our current conversation lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Nice stat @SiouxTradition: UND commit Brock Boeser has scored 23 goals for Waterloo this season, & fellow commit Hayden Shaw has assisted on 7 of them. #randomstat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 IMHO, UND held to the traditional mold of a big battering defenseman longer than the Goofs, hate to give the goofs credit, they saw that hard hitting vicious play was on its way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxTupa Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Kind of funny they compared his style of play to that of Kyle Okposo in light of our current conversation lol Oh man Stoney, you posted that just before I was going to! Pretty hilarious, I'd say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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