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Conference Realignments - Take 2

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2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Logic just isn't your strong point. 

I was wrong for non logical reasons.  Stony Brook just dropped men's tennis a week ago, and S Illinois just dropped M&W Tennis and cut way back on M&W swimming.  UND hasn't been the only one cutting.  What it means though is the MVC isn't adding three teams with men's tennis.  Drake and Ill St had no choice but to find another league for that sport.

UALR just announced a feasibility study for FBS.  Little Rock has a 50k stadium that they can use, as the Razorbacks rarely play there any more but used to quite often.  UALR would need an FCS affiliation for a few years and then the Sun Belt has to give it FBS membership if it comes to be.

Are you really suggesting that the MVC would not extend a bid to an otherwise qualified and desirable school simply because that school has a men's tennis program? 

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7 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Are you really suggesting that the MVC would not extend a bid to an otherwise qualified and desirable school simply because that school has a men's tennis program? 

You have to admit that seeing the remaining two MVC MTen programs move to affiliate Summit status is a sign that there's no future for MTen in the MVC. 

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Just now, The Sicatoka said:

You have to admit that seeing the remaining two MVC MTen programs move to affiliate Summit status is a sign that there's no future for MTen in the MVC. 

OK, but so what? Without some sort of proof, there again is nothing either reasonable or logical about SV's assumption that the MVC would only consider schools w/o a men's tennis program. 

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On 4/4/2017 at 1:48 PM, SiouxVolley said:

http://www.omaha.com/sports/

Sportswriter Shatel says that UNO is very attractive to both the Horizon and MVC. He goes on to say that the Horizon might add four teams to get to 14, and there is interest in both Denver and Omaha.  Might they be attempting a takeover of the NCHC so other Horizon school add hockey?  Would UND be interested?

In the article you mention, yes he says that UNO "fits the bill" for both MVC and Horizon expansion/replacement however he has no sources that conferences are actually interested.  Why would the NCHC sell itself to add newcomer hockey schools?  They already turned down ASU due to lack of success and arena issues.  The NCHC is not going to add Horizon schools that have no teams at the moment.  

On 4/4/2017 at 3:51 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Maybe it's just a veiled threat to UND by Omaha and Denver that if we go to the BIG for hockey, Denver and Omaha aren't staying in the Slummit, which Denver and Omaha can wreck havoc on by leaving.

Omaha and Denver were in the Summit long before UND so why do they suddenly care if UND is in the Summit?  Yes, DU and UNO can wreck havoc on the Summit by leaving the conference if they get an invite, but they're not going to do it to spite UND for accepting a non-existent offer from the Big10.  Or to prevent UND from taking that non-existent offer.

On 4/5/2017 at 5:16 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The Omaha/Denver Horizon talk was just hot air designed to scare UND out of a BIG hockey invite.

That's a blatant lie.  

On 4/8/2017 at 9:34 AM, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU will try to sell themselves to the MVC as a way to get access to MSP cable.  That might actually work in convincing the MVC, but it wouldn't work with MSP viewers IMHO.  If Belmont says "no", they could get a yes.

The SD's aren't interested and it would be politically suicidal for them to express interest, as the SD and Sioux Falls politicians just love the idea of the Slummit tournament.

 

On 4/9/2017 at 5:32 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The possibility of  NDSU could open up a Fox Sports North contract with the MVC, as then UNI, Drake and NDSU are peripheral schools.  Think UNI could be pushing NDSU more than any other school including Omaha.  Bresciani is out to screw UND no matter what.

 

On 4/10/2017 at 5:03 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Nashville's News Channel 5 listed NDSU, Murray St, Belmont, N Kentucky, Valpo, and Omaha as finalists.  Those schools were probably invited to send applications.

The article doesn't say they're a finalist.  It says "Industry sources believe the pool of candidates the league will at least consider for expansion includes the likes of Belmont, Murray State, North Dakota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Northern Kentucky and Valparaiso."  That means some random insider thinks those teams will be talked to.  Not that they'll request applications or that they're "Finalists."

14 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Think both Drake and UNI would want NDSU over Omaha or SDSU, as the bizon fb fans travel and it opens up the possibility of a MSP cable contract for the MVC.  

The NDSU football fans that travel do not relate to the NDSU basketball fans that don't travel.  That's like saying the Big10 should take UND in all sports because their hockey fans travel so well.  Football does not equal basketball, especially at NDSU.

This is the second time you have mentioned NDSU opening up a possible Minneapolis contract for the MVC.  It wouldn't happen until after the current Midco contract is up which is after the 18-19 season.  However, you do all the work for us and in a later post explain why NDSU getting a Minneapolis cable contract is asinine.  NDSU FB isn't even top 5 in the MSP area, why would the basketball team be?  

14 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

ThE MVC learned it's lesson with Loyola.  Taking a third rate team in a metro won't buy anything.  NDSU is a third rate bb team, but in Fargo it's the Big time according to their fans.

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14 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

You have to admit that seeing the remaining two MVC MTen programs move to affiliate Summit status is a sign that there's no future for MTen in the MVC. 

Yes but that doesn't mean they correlate.  Summit tennis is now at 7 teams.  I'm sure they'll gladly welcome in another school that has tennis even as an affiliate school.

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Everything that has been said about NDSU to the Valley also applies to USD, and USD is in a more reasonable position on the MVC map.  Two airports (Sioux City and Sioux Falls) within 45 minutes.   A better basketball tradition and a brand new arena.  USD could leave the Summit and the tournament would still be in Sioux Falls.  SDSU fans are the ones who make that tournament, just ask them.  USD could also deliver that FSN contract just as hypothetically as NDSU (and probably has just as far fetched of a chance). 

Reality is none of the Dakota schools are going to be invited. 

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1 hour ago, Yote 53 said:

Reality is none of the Dakota schools are going to be invited. 

Are you saying, ... geography matters. ;) 

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1 hour ago, Yote 53 said:

Everything that has been said about NDSU to the Valley also applies to USD, and USD is in a more reasonable position on the MVC map.  Two airports (Sioux City and Sioux Falls) within 45 minutes.   A better basketball tradition and a brand new arena.  USD could leave the Summit and the tournament would still be in Sioux Falls.  SDSU fans are the ones who make that tournament, just ask them.  USD could also deliver that FSN contract just as hypothetically as NDSU (and probably has just as far fetched of a chance). 

Reality is none of the Dakota schools are going to be invited. 

...why not usd...decent media market in sf...new arena...nice endowment...in the "footprint" of the conference...good academics. i would say that usd has about a 1000 percent more of a chance for an invite than sdsu

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26 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

...why not usd...decent media market in sf...new arena...nice endowment...in the "footprint" of the conference...good academics. i would say that usd has about a 1000 percent more of a chance for an invite than sdsu

I would agree.  USD has pulled the conference rabbit out of that hat before, as you all know.

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34 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

Have you looked into when the Summit play their games? Just saying that you might want to view a schedule. Just a hint, think MVC like not NCC like. It seems that since WAC FB fell apart, NDSU to the MVC is your new mission. Just so you are aware. SDSU, USD, UND nor NDSU are going to the MVC. Not one of us will get an invite not one of us will get a look. NDSU does not travel for BB and they can't even beat SDSU in attendance when they have 250,000 in the Fargo area to draw from. NDSU travels for FB and only FB.  

The day, if it occurs that SDSU or USD get an invite to another conference do you honestly think the schools will insist that the conference tourney be played in SF? Have you been drinking?

Do you honestly think that any of the four schools, including SDSU and USD can't do as they please? SDSU did go D1 minus USD and USD did have approval to move to the BSC before SDSU stepped in and helped them out in an attempt to stabilize the Summit, with a good school. We also did that for UND with the MVFC for the same reason. And we were joined by NDSU to the consternation of BV and Lakes. 

Talk of NDSU to the MVC has mostly come from one source, well two. BV fan boys and Lakes. How much pull do you think that crew have with the MVC? I would hope your answer is none. 

I'm beginning to think your afraid of being in a conference with NDSU. Why I don't really know but you went from thinking they were the dregs of society to suddenly they would be the most amazing get for the MVC. What gives? UND can compete with NDSU, just like SDSU compete with NDSU and USD are beginning to compete with NDSU. They really aren't that scary in FB and they are not scary at all in basketball. I would venture to guess I would get agreement from 99.9% of the UND fans on this site that NDSU are not anything to be frightened by. You? I'm not so sure.

It's obvious that you don't see or can't comprehend the scheduling difference between the Slummit and MVC.  First  the Slummit has nine schools, so a pure travel partner situation through out the season is impossible.  Second, the Slummit often pairs a long away trips to minimize travel.  Third,  a team in the Slummit will play two road games consecutively with a day or two to save on travel.  They dont fly home after every away game.  The MVC schedules so nearly every weak a team gets a home game and one away.  Travel is treated as a non-issue for scheduling for the MVC as they charter a plane or bus.

NDSU under Gene Taylor and their recent presidents have done what they could to avoid and even harm UND.  You seem to be ignorant of this.  Matt Larsen seems to have more integrity than his predecessor, but that is far from not an endorsement.  NDSU shouldnt be trusted from a UND perspective, but understand the love between the XDSUs.  A Nashville report said that NDSU, and not USD or SDSU, was being evaluated.   Merely repeating what a journalism source said that NDSU is a candidate, but the SD schools weren't on that list, seems to upset you.  Take your crying points some where else.

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On 4/11/2017 at 1:04 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Well, we did join 2 new conferences....

AND, we did loose 2 old conferences....

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On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 8:15 PM, SiouxVolley said:

It's obvious that you don't see or can't comprehend the scheduling difference between the Slummit and MVC.  First  the Slummit has nine schools, so a pure travel partner situation through out the season is impossible.  Second, the Slummit often pairs a long away trips to minimize travel.  Third,  a team in the Slummit will play two road games consecutively with a day or two to save on travel.  They dont fly home after every away game.  The MVC schedules so nearly every weak a team gets a home game and one away.  Travel is treated as a non-issue for scheduling for the MVC as they charter a plane or bus.

NDSU under Gene Taylor and their recent presidents have done what they could to avoid and even harm UND.  You seem to be ignorant of this.  Matt Larsen seems to have more integrity than his predecessor, but that is far from not an endorsement.  NDSU shouldnt be trusted from a UND perspective, but understand the love between the XDSUs.  A Nashville report said that NDSU, and not USD or SDSU, was being evaluated.   Merely repeating what a journalism source said that NDSU is a candidate, but the SD schools weren't on that list, seems to upset you.  Take your crying points some where else.

Looks like your boogeyman, Gene Taylor, got a new job. I guess K-State doesn't share your opinions about his integrity. 

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article144648164.html

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if the mvc adds murray state....yawn

if mvc adds und, ndac, usd, sdsu, umkc, valpo and omaha and brings all sports including football under the the mvc brand with aspirations of fbs in the future they would rival the MAC for the best midwest (non p5 obviously) FBS/basketball conference imo..

all sports: und, ndac, usd, sdsu, omaha, umkc, drake, uni, msu, siu, evansville, indiana state, bradley, isu, valpo, and loyola

fb: und, ndac, usd, sdsu, uni, msu, siu, isu, and isu..

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2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if the mvc adds murray state....yawn

if mvc adds und, ndac, usd, sdsu, umkc, valpo and omaha and brings all sports including football under the the mvc brand with aspirations of fbs in the future they would rival the MAC for the best midwest (non p5 obviously) FBS/basketball conference imo..

all sports: und, ndac, usd, sdsu, omaha, umkc, drake, uni, msu, siu, evansville, indiana state, bradley, isu, valpo, and loyola

fb: und, ndac, usd, sdsu, uni, msu, siu, isu, and isu..

That would definitely be  a nice conference... albeit very unlikely at this point.

To your first point however, I agree with you that the MVC adding 1 school wont really move the needle.  They really need to shoot for 12 and get 3 in.  Although adding 1 is still better than standing pat. 

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3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The media used to rave about Paterno's integrity.  When the media raves about something, one knows there's skeletons.

Really??

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37 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Really??

No suspensions of athletes for criminal behavior is integrity?

Haven't they suffered enough?

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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Look for multiple "NDSU to the Big 12" threads to start popping up at BV.

Like the ones that were posted here about you going FBS for the last couple of years  ????

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38 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Like the ones that were posted here about you going FBS for the last couple of years  ????

That was SiouxVolley and most of us disagreed with his predictions.

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