2025 Non-UND FCS News/Scores Thread

[CMSioux]

23 hours ago, Hawkster said:

On the subject of Polesek's salary, with the G6 coaches getting that kind of money, how long will be before Schmidt gets something big like that offered to him and moves on?   You can bet that another good year and he's on somebody's radar.   These G6 salaries are nuts, especially for Polesek. 

That's exactly what the masses have been calling for - a high energy coach that is so good he gets opportunities to move on - not one looking for a retirement job. 

[Sioux95]

It was interesting to read that NDSU's level of funding from student and state money was 26% and UNDs was significantly more than that. Is that accurate? Or is that figure based on the fact that NDSU now has a much higher athletic budget due to the cost of moving to FBS?

[Hawkster]

3 hours ago, CMSioux said:

That's exactly what the masses have been calling for - a high energy coach that is so good he gets opportunities to move on - not one looking for a retirement job. 

My goal is a high energy coach we can hang on to.   Maybe it's unrealistic but we can hope.

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 hours ago, UND69er said:

Sorry, for those of us that don't know can you elaborate on the Gloria story?  Thanks.

MWC commish thought the pac12 did hoodrat stuff to get the top of the MWC to depart to join oregon state and wash state..   sue pacfor 150 milly or so....right before MWC commish's email hadto be turned over to the pac 12 lawyers they decided to settle this themselves....MWC will get anywhere from 50 million to 100 milly...some are saying less than 50 Milly....

 

[FSSD]

13 hours ago, Sioux95 said:

It was interesting to read that NDSU's level of funding from student and state money was 26% and UNDs was significantly more than that. Is that accurate? Or is that figure based on the fact that NDSU now has a much higher athletic budget due to the cost of moving to FBS?

I think UND’s is around 50%. Any number of factors drive the difference:

1. Different Title IX compliance approaches: measuring based on interest versus a true 50/50 participation model.

2. NDSU receives around $1M from charitable gambling in the Fargo area, while UND has chosen not to pursue that funding approach for athletics.

3. NDSU has gone back to students for additional funding and has been denied. UND students have generally been somewhat more receptive to increased support.

The reality is that both North Dakota schools rely on public resources far less than the average Division I state-supported university.
 

[FSSD]

On 5/22/2026 at 1:45 PM, jdub27 said:

They already fund their athletics at the expense of their academic side (see $10 million bailout a few years ago). Wonder where the money actually goes....finding some extra students to pay under the table to get their enrollment to be the exact same every year?

What was the $10 million bailout from a couple years ago?

[Bison Dan]

20 hours ago, FSSD said:

I think UND’s is around 50%. Any number of factors drive the difference:

1. Different Title IX compliance approaches: measuring based on interest versus a true 50/50 participation model.

2. NDSU receives around $1M from charitable gambling in the Fargo area, while UND has chosen not to pursue that funding approach for athletics.

3. NDSU has gone back to students for additional funding and has been denied. UND students have generally been somewhat more receptive to increased support.

The reality is that both North Dakota schools rely on public resources far less than the average Division I state-supported university.
 

2. Don't fool yourself UND doesn't have gaming because in GF the non-profits have all the gaming.  Not that they didn't try.

3. SU had a vote of all the students - UND the senate voted.

If SU would tap the general fund at the same rate UND does (less student fees) money would never be a problem.

[Kab]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

2. Don't fool yourself UND doesn't have gaming because in GF the non-profits have all the gaming.  Not that they didn't try.

3. SU had a vote of all the students - UND the senate voted.

If SU would tap the general fund at the same rate UND does (less student fees) money would never be a problem.

Go back home 

[homer]

2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

 

If SU would tap the general fund at the same rate UND does (less student fees) money would never be a problem.

But they aren’t because their students wouldn’t approve the funding.  So now your athletic administration had McFeely climb out from under the desk to start begging for more money.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

2. Don't fool yourself UND doesn't have gaming because in GF the non-profits have all the gaming.  Not that they didn't try.

3. SU had a vote of all the students - UND the senate voted.

If SU would tap the general fund at the same rate UND does (less student fees) money would never be a problem.

just a few in short or tall and we'd be good.

[Kab]

3 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

2. Don't fool yourself UND doesn't have gaming because in GF the non-profits have all the gaming.  Not that they didn't try.

3. SU had a vote of all the students - UND the senate voted.

If SU would tap the general fund at the same rate UND does (less student fees) money would never be a problem.

Those students you speak of tapping, are those the fantom ndsu students they have, exact same enrollment numbers every time, give out the real numbers 

[Bison Dan]

1 hour ago, homer said:

But they aren’t because their students wouldn’t approve the funding.  So now your athletic administration had McFeely climb out from under the desk to start begging for more money.  

You actually think the athletic department talks to Mcfooly?  

[F'n Hawks]

3 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

You actually think the athletic department talks to Mcfooly?  

Glad we can at least agree on the fact Mcfooly is a clown.

[Hawkster]

26 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

You actually think the athletic department talks to Mcfooly?  

Even when I disagree with him, I've got more respect for McFeely than I do you, Simple Dan.    Don't you have an FBS board to post on?

[SIOUXFAN97]

46 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

You actually think the athletic department talks to Mcfooly?  

thru the glory holes in the bathrooms off np ave downtown....yes.

[FSSD]

4 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

2. Don't fool yourself UND doesn't have gaming because in GF the non-profits have all the gaming.  Not that they didn't try.

3. SU had a vote of all the students - UND the senate voted.

If SU would tap the general fund at the same rate UND does (less student fees) money would never be a problem.

I was simply providing an explanation as to why there is a difference. Most of the time, the Fargo media does not mention the gender or charitable gambling revenue differences. I think that is intentional because the general public does not fully understand those distinctions.

In addtion, the choices made by the schools generations ago may not be viewed as favorably by the public today, so they tend to keep that part quiet. As a result, many people are left with the impression that UND relies more heavily on public funding than NDSU.

Here are some general numbers:

School	Male Enrollment	Female Enrollment
UND	~48%	~52%
NDSU	~45%	~55%

Athletic Participation Comparison

School	Men Participants	Women Participants	Male %	Female %
University of North Dakota (FY2023)	232	200	53.7%	46.3%
North Dakota State University (FY2019 public report located)	333	215	60.8%	39.2%

UND’s participation numbers are substantially closer to gender proportionality than NDSU’s.

Scholarship Dollar Comparison

NDSU (publicly available detailed breakdown)

Category	Men	Women
Athletically Related Student Aid	$2,994,043	$1,771,567
Share of Scholarship Dollars	62.8%	37.2%

NDSU’s football program drives much of the male scholarship total.  But there is $1.22 million dollar gender imbalance.  So, if you account for gender and charity you are looking at $2.22 million dollar difference.  Then if you take in account that UND dropped Tennis which was approximately $1.0 million dollar expense.  You can see much of the difference between the schools is accounted.  Here is an example using 2022 data from USA Today.  As you can see, things even out very quickly.  So, what do you say Dan, let's be more fair to lady's and start womens hockey at NDSU.  We know there is interest.  Please contact your admin and get the ball rolling.  The lady's in your life thank you.

 

	Total Revenue	Students Fees	School Funds	Total School Support	School Support %	School Support Adjusted %	Notes
UND	$30,859,877	$3,083,815	$11,693,936	$14,777,751	47.9%	44.6%	Adjust for Tennis
NDSU	$29,295,443	$1,378,132	$8,131,877	$9,510,009	32.5%	40.7%	Remove gambling and add proportional gender scholarships.

 

[homer]

2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

You actually think the athletic department talks to Mcfooly?  

I know they do.  Ever since they got their hands slapped after being journalists around the time Best Buy was supplying TVs for kids dorm rooms,  they do the dirty work for the administration while conveniently leaving out important details.  
 

[The Sicatoka]

I’m old enough to remember when the NDSU FBS move was going to be all private donations funded.

[Siouxperman8]

4 hours ago, homer said:

I know they do.  Ever since they got their hands slapped after being journalists around the time Best Buy was supplying TVs for kids dorm rooms,  they do the dirty work for the administration while conveniently leaving out important details.  
 

I have an acquantice that is a prominent NDSU sports media personality.  Around the Best Buy timeframe he told me that they know that if they report that kind of thing they'll not be allowed back on campus. 

[Bison Dan]

11 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I have an acquantice that is a prominent NDSU sports media personality.  Around the Best Buy timeframe he told me that they know that if they report that kind of thing they'll not be allowed back on campus. 

I call BS:  Has Tom ever reported anything negative?

[Siouxperman8]

28 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

I call BS:  Has Tom ever reported anything negative?

Why would Tom’s reporting or lack thereof  impact the truthfulness of my post?
At the time we were talking about all of the issues SU fb was facing including Best Buy theft. He said they were all wondering what scandal would come up next. I pressed him on why, as reporters, they didn’t tell what they knew. He told me they’d be cut off from the team if they did. 

[Bison Dan]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Why would Tom’s reporting or lack thereof  impact the truthfulness of my post?
At the time we were talking about all of the issues SU fb was facing including Best Buy theft. He said they were all wondering what scandal would come up next. I pressed him on why, as reporters, they didn’t tell what they knew. He told me they’d be cut off from the team if they did. 

I know that UND has done it multiple times.  One was the owner of RP Mr. Tellmann was barred from the FB team by RT - BB announcer got in trouble.  These are just a couple. 

[iramurphy]

20 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

thru the glory holes in the bathrooms off np ave downtown....yes.

Care to explain to how you are familiar with this and none of the rest of us are?  (You may want to keep your secrets secret).  
 

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

I know that UND has done it multiple times.  One was the owner of RP Mr. Tellmann was barred from the FB team by RT - BB announcer got in trouble.  These are just a couple. 

May all be true.  
You called BS on my post. This doesn’t impact whether what I posted is BS or not.  I’m just saying I had that conversation and that is what they told me.

[jdub27]

A lot of good info already touching on some of the differences and accounting for athletics is mostly a questionable exercise where you aren't comparing apples to apples.

UND at least makes an effort to try to balance out their spending on men's and women's, particularly on the scholarship side.
UND enrollment is 51.8% M / 48.2% F, unduplicated participation is 53.2% / 46.8% and financial aid is 53.6% / 46.4%
NDSU enrollment is 49.8% M / 50.2% F, unduplicated participation is 63.8% / 36.2% and financial aid is 62.2% / 37.8% (before additional football scholarships).

UND also spends about $3 million more on women's sports than NDSU does (for a variety of reasons), but also offer more individuals opportunities to participate, which drives a higher cost that needs to be subsidized as they are mostly non-revenue generating.

Some others who have better knowledge of it than I do can elaborate on how (un)serious NDSU actually takes their Title IX compliance.

  

15 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I have an acquantice that is a prominent NDSU sports media personality.  Around the Best Buy timeframe he told me that they know that if they report that kind of thing they'll not be allowed back on campus. 

After some less than positive press, the Fargo media had their practice and other access cut.
Things fell in line after that and haven't changed.