Fire Berry Please!

[stoneySIOUX]

9 minutes ago, tnt said:

   I guess I would say that before most of those injuries happened, we got swept by Cornell for the 2nd time in about 3 years, and this is when we had about 6 games under our belt compared to their first game of the year.   Also, I would think a split with Bemidji should be the minimum result because of the disparity in resources, regardless of injuries. 

   Most people I think would like to see how the year plays out, and what kind of progress they make.  If they are making big strides and they are coming together, that is one thing, if they come out in the final period of a tournament game and get manhandled again, then I would wonder if it was because they are inexperienced or poorly prepared.  At some point you have to win the tournament games to get that experience. 

Not arguing any of that. I'm saying... after all the ups-and-downs of this season, we lose in the regional final, the season wouldn't be considered a "success" to me, but my goodness, certainly not gonna fire the coach after it. My opinion.

My overall concept to this thread is that we aren't firing Bubs midseason. What is the point of this now? Let the dang season play out.

[stoneySIOUX]

12 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

In a while, yes. It's a festering scab that I've never been able to figure out how to stop scratching.

[SiouxFan100]

It’s time we make a splash 

[tnt]

3 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Not arguing any of that. I'm saying... after all the ups-and-downs, of this season, we lose in the regional final, the season wouldn't be consider a "success" to me, but my goodness, certainly not gonna fire the coach after it. My opinion.

We both know he isn't getting fired no matter the result of the rest of the season, whether they make the tournament or not.   The latter sure would lead to interesting decisions though, as to what they would do as far as an extension to keep recruiting transparent for the recruits.  Talk about a rock and a hard place. 

[gfhockey]

38 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Not arguing any of that. I'm saying... after all the ups-and-downs of this season, we lose in the regional final, the season wouldn't be considered a "success" to me, but my goodness, certainly not gonna fire the coach after it. My opinion.

My overall concept to this thread is that we aren't firing Bubs midseason. What is the point of this now? Let the dang season play out.

Are you in the camp that’s complacent in not making the ncaas

[Big Green]

2 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

So, just to clarify, if UND pulls itself up from a really tough run of early-season games that lead them to a brutal PWR, during which they lost their best forward, arguably two of their best three defensemen, their captain, and several depth players to injury, makes the tournament, wins a game in said tournament, but loses in a regional final, you'd still want to move on from the coach? 

Yes.  The injury's are not a valid excuse for getting swept at Cornel when they were playing there first series of the year.  needed to go to OT to beat Robert Morris.  Going winless vs Bemidji.   

F'n Long Island is head of us in the PWR

I would feel differently if the last 7 years were different and he had been back to the frozen four a couple times, but 1 NCAA win since 2016 he needed to do something special this year.

Side note: With this AD if they even make the NCAA tournament Berry is not going anywhere, it will be seen as a success.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Big Green said:

Yes.  The injury's are not a valid excuse for getting swept at Cornel when they were playing there first series of the year.  needed to go to OT to beat Robert Morris.  Going winless vs Bemidji.   

F'n Long Island is head of us in the PWR

I would feel differently if the last 7 years were different and he had been back to the frozen four a couple times, but 1 NCAA win since 2016 he needed to do something special this year.

Side note: With this AD if they even make the NCAA tournament Berry is not going anywhere, it will be seen as a success.

Chaves better not give Berry a long extension. He hasn't earned it. He needs to learn from the Bubba extension a couple of years back.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

I don’t think you have to earn it , at the end of the day if your a nice guy that’s enough #culture 

[siouxkid12]

49 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Chaves better not give Berry a long extension. He hasn't earned it. He needs to learn from the Bubba extension a couple of years back.

Chaves is screwed no matter what he does. He can't afford to keep Berry but yet he can't fire (not renew him) Berry either. 
If he fires or lets him walk and Berry goes to a new school and just kills it, you know that will come back to bite him in the butt

[The Sicatoka]

4 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Chaves is screwed no matter what he does. He can't afford to keep Berry but yet he can't fire (not renew him) Berry either. 
If he fires or lets him walk and Berry goes to a new school and just kills it, you know that will come back to bite him in the butt

Berry could ride off to the sunset with a ring. He turns 60 on April Fool's Day. 

KG, Smaby, Simpson ... the cupboard ain't bare for options.

[siouxkid12]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

Berry could ride off to the sunset with a ring. He turns 60 on April Fool's Day. 

KG, Smaby, Simpson ... the cupboard ain't bare for options.

He could ride off into the sunset, but I feel like that isn't in Berry's DNA. 

[tnt]

6 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

He could ride off into the sunset, but I feel like that isn't in Berry's DNA. 

I would be very surprised if Berry takes another hockey job after UND, even if he was let go.   I think he would just go watch his kid play. 

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

He could ride off into the sunset, but I feel like that isn't in Berry's DNA. 

Kyle Schweigert could mentor him. 

[fightingsioux4life]

32 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Chaves is screwed no matter what he does. He can't afford to keep Berry but yet he can't fire (not renew him) Berry either. 
If he fires or lets him walk and Berry goes to a new school and just kills it, you know that will come back to bite him in the butt

What about a shorter extension (1 or 2 years)? Keep him on his toes a little. I don't care if it's the "industry standard" to do that; we have to start having accountability for coaches who underachieve in the postseason.

[gfhockey]

17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Kyle Schweigert could mentor him. 

So Kyle is sr vp would berry just be vp

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Recruiting isn’t what it was , our ncaa record under Berry except for 2016 is awful  , not sure he deserves an extension , year to year if he makes it through this one. I think the hole  is too deep for the NCAAs this year (come on boys prove me wrong)

[Irish]

4 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

So, just to clarify, if UND pulls itself up from a really tough run of early-season games that lead them to a brutal PWR, during which they lost their best forward, arguably two of their best three defensemen, their captain, and several depth players to injury, makes the tournament, wins a game in said tournament, but loses in a regional final, you'd still want to move on from the coach? 

If this was his only season I would agree 1000% - However since 2016 with Hak's team Berry's team has won only 1 - count em - 1 regional game.  Time to get things done or find someone who can.

[Irish]

25 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

So Kyle is sr vp would berry just be vp

Assistant to the Sr. VP.  

[Goon]

49 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Recruiting isn’t what it was , our ncaa record under Berry except for 2016 is awful  , not sure he deserves an extension , year to year if he makes it through this one. I think the hole  is too deep for the NCAAs this year (come on boys prove me wrong)

FFS! The current team has two number-one draft choices. Have you watched the D-Core? Because of injuries they got valuable time to mature and grow. To say the recruiting sucks is short-sighted.  Come on! Sacha, EJ Emery, Livanavage, Wiebe, Strathmann, just to name a few. 

[Brim006]

7 minutes ago, Goon said:

FFS! The current team has two number-one draft choices. Have you watched the D-Core? Because of injuries they got valuable time to mature and grow. To say the recruiting sucks is short-sighted.  Come on! Sacha, EJ Emery, Livanavage, Wiebe, Strathmann, just to name a few. 

I always think the recruiting piece is a little silly as far as UND hockey goes. UND's world class facilities, tradition and name do the recruiting. Yes, some coaches are obviously better than others, but just about any no name clown could step in and still land top tier recruits year after year. "hey kid, welcome to the Ralph, here is the lockeroom, and here is our long list of NHL legends". Plus, the top end talent is overflowing the NCAA..aka there are more top tier players than there are roster spots. Hence quick success of brand-new teams. The kids will come either way, and typically UND will always have first dibs at a lot of the top choices no matter who coaches. 

So with that said -----with an essentially automatic pipeline of top tier NHL level players coming in non-stop, it's actually an impressive feat to coach a team so badly to have not made the Frozen Four in nearly a decade, and have only won what, 1 tournament game in that span too? Pull out all the excuses you want but Berry has clearly crept the expectations lower and lower slowly over the past 8 years and it shows. 

We went from being mad about not getting through the Frozen Four, to being happy to make the tournament every other year. Woof. The other blue chip hockey teams have probably had more drastic of ups and downs than UND....losing seasons, but also in the mix for a Natty or won a Natty. While UND has essentailly just been a bubble team pretty consistently. Viewership is down, true attendance is down, interest overall is down. UND coaches start out on 3rd base and are expected to take it home. Every single year? No. Be in the mix every single year? Maybe, but probably no. He's had a long enough chance and I think it's time for a change. 

[.357]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

What about a shorter extension (1 or 2 years)? Keep him on his toes a little. I don't care if it's the "industry standard" to do that; we have to start having accountability for coaches who underachieve in the postseason.

I don't understand that line of thinking: even if it's short term, you're still extending the mediocrity. 

If UND misses the playoffs this year, it can be attributed in large part to laying an egg against a team (Cornell) who was playing its first series of the year, and not showing up & struggling against BSU of all teams. This is just as damning to the coaching staff as getting bounced in the first round of the regionals. The only difference is that this time the coaching deficiencies manifested early in the year instead of the usual late March.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

At the end of the day , like it or not the buck stops at Berry. 

[gfhockey]

And it seems a lot are in the camp of being complacent with one tournament victory in 10 years take that times too. We’ll have two tournament victories in 20 years.

[iluvdebbies]

2 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

And it seems a lot are in the camp of being complacent with one tournament victory in 10 years take that times too. We’ll have two tournament victories in 20 years.

How many victories in 40 years?

[Blackheart]

6 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Not arguing any of that. I'm saying... after all the ups-and-downs of this season, we lose in the regional final, the season wouldn't be considered a "success" to me, but my goodness, certainly not gonna fire the coach after it. My opinion.

My overall concept to this thread is that we aren't firing Bubs midseason. What is the point of this now? Let the dang season play out.

Regional final?  That means we won a tournament game, right?  That would double the total since 2016.