2024 Early Departures and Transfer Portal

[brianvf]

52 minutes ago, ChetSteadman said:

Lol, 4 goalies and a whole defense.  Cmon man

Regardless of how or why the team needed to replace all the D, you have to admit that the D as a whole was better this year than last. And it’s looking much better moving forward with the pieces in place and the recruits coming in. 

[The Sicatoka]

59 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

Cameron Rowe was a goalie commit at one time, FWIW.

And Scheel left a year early. The goalie pipeline has been off since but should be stable in a year with Hobie and Heil. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, ChetSteadman said:

Lol, 4 goalies and a whole defense.  Cmon man

Kleven Moore and Johnson didn’t leave early?  Frisch could’ve used a COVID year but moved to the pros. 

[siouxfaninseattle]

I am not a fan of the portal, and I wish the NC$$ can change it so that players can't change teams at will. Having said that, I doubt any other team has been as successful as UND at bringing in the right players at the right time. Kudos to the coaching staff for that, especially this season. There wasn't anyone that came in from the portal that (at least to me) didn't buy in to the culture. And Stoney you were right on the money about Johannes.

[cberkas]

Whale to UNH

[stoneySIOUX]

15 hours ago, AJS said:

You consider Michigan’s 2nd goal a bad bounce? Maybe on a technicality, but only happened because Persson made the single worst goaltending decision I saw all year. 
 

Whatever the issue is come tournament time, I’ll be (potentially in the minority) that UND winning just one game since 2017 isn’t based on bad luck.

On your last paragraph, I'd absolutely not pin it all on bad luck. It's also not poor coaching, from what I've seen. We've been in the position to win all of the tourney games we've lost. I'd put it in the category of "that's hockey". What else could it be, honestly? Who should be blamed? That feels like the white rabbit we've been chasing in this conversation for several years now.

I'd put that goal into bad bounce, yes. Bad decision, but it hit off his teammates skate. Call it bad luck. Of course it's not all bad luck, but there are some on here that think it virtually means nothing. 

Loss in first round of tourney against BU... outplayed them and bad luck on the offside call that legit led to a rule change. Loss to Duluth in 5OT, carried all OTs, IMO, had several unfortunate bounces not go in, pipes, shots bouncing off goalie onto the top of the net, etc. The first three goals for Michigan, none of them bounced our way.

Absolutely doesn't tell the entire story, but some tout that 1 win since 2016 thing like UND is getting destroyed in the tournament since 2016. Each loss has been in OT or what happened against Michigan, a one goal game with three awful bounces/bad luck. I'd argue we played better in all of those games and didn't get enough bounces. I'm saying that we've had a crap ton of unfortunate stuff happen over the past several years in the tournament. It's not a controversial take, IMO

[planetearth]

6 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I'm saying that we've had a crap ton of unfortunate stuff happen over the past several years in the tournament. It's not a controversial take, IMO

“But 3-inches the other way and you woulda missed completely.”  -Charlie Conway to Coach Bombay

[SIOUXELEVENS]

6 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

On your last paragraph, I'd absolutely not pin it all on bad luck. It's also not poor coaching, from what I've seen. We've been in the position to win all of the tourney games we've lost. I'd put it in the category of "that's hockey". What else could it be, honestly? Who should be blamed? That feels like the white rabbit we've been chasing in this conversation for several years now.

I'd put that goal into bad bounce, yes. Bad decision, but it hit off his teammates skate. Call it bad luck. Of course it's not all bad luck, but there are some on here that think it virtually means nothing. 

Loss in first round of tourney against BU... outplayed them and bad luck on the offside call that legit led to a rule change. Loss to Duluth in 5OT, carried all OTs, IMO, had several unfortunate bounces not go in, pipes, shots bouncing off goalie onto the top of the net, etc. The first three goals for Michigan, none of them bounced our way.

Absolutely doesn't tell the entire story, but some tout that 1 win since 2016 thing like UND is getting destroyed in the tournament since 2016. Each loss has been in OT or what happened against Michigan, a one goal game with three awful bounces/bad luck. I'd argue we played better in all of those games and didn't get enough bounces. I'm saying that we've had a crap ton of unfortunate stuff happen over the past several years in the tournament. It's not a controversial take, IMO

If we don’t go down 2-0 to Duluth and need two empty net goals to get to overtime the game should have ended I regulation. If the team plays the third against Michigan like the first two periods and doesn’t get out shot 15-1 in the first ten minutes maybe we move on, common denominator of all these bad luck losses is the head coach. He changed assistant coach and broght  Karl in , better powerplay same post season results. I think this head coach has to take some blame for his record, great in the regular season not so much in the post season. 

[Benny Baker]

Lol. Duluth and Notre Dame’s first game winning goals were waived off against UND in 2021 and 2022, respectively. Both teams literally had to score 2 game winning goals each to beat UND in the NCAAs.

In back-to-back seasons. 

If UND only got more favorable bounces in the NCAAs!

[tnt]

27 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

Lol. Duluth and Notre Dame’s first game winning goals were waived off against UND in 2021 and 2022, respectively. Both teams literally had to score 2 game winning goals each to beat UND in the NCAAs.

In back-to-back seasons. 

If UND only got more favorable bounces in the NCAAs!

If you look back after the Notre Dame loss, many that are in the we are unlucky crowd were saying that it wasn’t ideal and that Berry would have pressure the following year because they should be better and we’ll see how things go.

Well, we missed the NCAA tourney again the next year, and we’re one and done this year.  I am sick of trying to defend Berry to people, and once again that graph brought it home for me that it is well beyond time to put up rather than talk about woulda, coulda, shoulda.  

If it takes playing an AIC or some like team, then take care of business before that so you get to play them, and in an advantageous location no less. They have blown at least 3 chances for those advantages that have nothing to do with luck.

I wonder how many more years will go by with people using the unlucky bounces mantra, when indeed it has been shown that UND has been recipient of quite a bit of luck themselves. 

I think this coaching staff has the ability to get this team over the hump and go back to back and totally refute any negative narratives, but it is far beyond time for a program like North Dakota that they and their players don’t talk about getting revenge or that they have higher goals than league championships and just go out and get it done.  

[SIOUXELEVENS]

At this point most teams would love to be in UND’s region. 

[Brett0909]

8 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

On your last paragraph, I'd absolutely not pin it all on bad luck. It's also not poor coaching, from what I've seen. We've been in the position to win all of the tourney games we've lost. I'd put it in the category of "that's hockey". What else could it be, honestly? Who should be blamed? That feels like the white rabbit we've been chasing in this conversation for several years now.

I'd put that goal into bad bounce, yes. Bad decision, but it hit off his teammates skate. Call it bad luck. Of course it's not all bad luck, but there are some on here that think it virtually means nothing. 

Loss in first round of tourney against BU... outplayed them and bad luck on the offside call that legit led to a rule change. Loss to Duluth in 5OT, carried all OTs, IMO, had several unfortunate bounces not go in, pipes, shots bouncing off goalie onto the top of the net, etc. The first three goals for Michigan, none of them bounced our way.

Absolutely doesn't tell the entire story, but some tout that 1 win since 2016 thing like UND is getting destroyed in the tournament since 2016. Each loss has been in OT or what happened against Michigan, a one goal game with three awful bounces/bad luck. I'd argue we played better in all of those games and didn't get enough bounces. I'm saying that we've had a crap ton of unfortunate stuff happen over the past several years in the tournament. It's not a controversial take, IMO

Respectfully disagree (in part), but it’s cool that we have both sides of the debate here. 
 

If we were to talk to the other teams fans or coaches in all those same games, or take off our green-tinted glasses, they’d point out their own bad luck/bounces and be just as right (several waived off goals, their own key injuries, things that came to light after the season ended, TWO empty netters to tie it, UND having home ice and/or crowd advantage, talent, facilities, resources, all the bad calls or breaks other end that we didn’t notice because that’s how sports go, etc.). Cherry picking the things that weren’t perfect for UND and connecting that to defend the ongoing string of losses can mostly be chalked up to we were unlucky a lot continues to imply these things are just happening to one team. They happen on both sides, but are now a TREND for UND, not a bad luck bounce. I can almost guarantee Berry and the staff aren’t sitting around moaning about 8 years of bad bounces that always go against them (and if they are, count me in the fire Berry crowd). 
 

Michigan came out FLAT. UND had an incredible opportunity to capitalize for a big chunk of that game, against a team that even when they’re not flat, aren’t a world-beater by any stretch. And in my book, had the easiest 1 seed to go through this year, despite blowing the end of the season and a home crowd and #1 seed that were almost guarantees at one point. But they managed again to find a way to lose, instead of win. UMD, Notre Dame, etc. as have been pointed out…we had more than our share of breaks. BU? Well, that one just flat out sucked and UND was as close to deserving a win in a game they lost there as I’ve seen. Would have been the best game/crowd atmosphere I’d ever been to if a bounce went the other way, and I’m onboard with that just being an unlucky one. BU would argue playing in Fargo in front of a packed and RABID UND fan base when they were the higher seed was pretty unlucky I bet, and no doubt influenced their play. 
 

I’m not sure what the answer is here, but do believe the coaching staff has to figure something out vs “have better luck next year”. And I’m also pretty sure (and hope) they would say the same thing. 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

So who is next to commmit ?

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

10 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

So who is next to commmit ?

Either Wood or Wilkie. They are both down to us and Bucky. Snuggerud coming back means Gophs don't have a scholarship for Wood.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Do we have room for both?

[Benny Baker]

35 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Either Wood or Wilkie. They are both down to us and Bucky. Snuggerud coming back means Gophs don't have a scholarship for Wood.

Good point. But can’t a program push a current player to the portal?  Thought I saw someone on here implying Hastings was pushing Lucius to the portal. Wasn’t Collin Adams’ scholarship pulled for a year?

In other words, if Minnesota wants to find a way to get Wood scholarship money, they can.  Or maybe their NIL pays his tuition.

But yeah, would be great for UND to land Wood and/or Wilkie.

[SiouxFanatic]

Well that’s too bad. Rich get richer.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 minute ago, SiouxFanatic said:

Well that’s too bad. Rich get richer.

Haha welp. Nevermind!

[SiouxFanatic]

11 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Haha welp. Nevermind!

I really like the recruiting class coming in and while Wood would have been a very nice addition, I still like UND’s chances to contend next season. Could really use a FO guy like Wilkie from the portal though.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

0-2 on high profile players, dam it. 

[Irish]

2 hours ago, Brett0909 said:

Respectfully disagree (in part), but it’s cool that we have both sides of the debate here. 
 

If we were to talk to the other teams fans or coaches in all those same games, or take off our green-tinted glasses, they’d point out their own bad luck/bounces and be just as right (several waived off goals, their own key injuries, things that came to light after the season ended, TWO empty netters to tie it, UND having home ice and/or crowd advantage, talent, facilities, resources, all the bad calls or breaks other end that we didn’t notice because that’s how sports go, etc.). Cherry picking the things that weren’t perfect for UND and connecting that to defend the ongoing string of losses can mostly be chalked up to we were unlucky a lot continues to imply these things are just happening to one team. They happen on both sides, but are now a TREND for UND, not a bad luck bounce. I can almost guarantee Berry and the staff aren’t sitting around moaning about 8 years of bad bounces that always go against them (and if they are, count me in the fire Berry crowd). 
 

Michigan came out FLAT. UND had an incredible opportunity to capitalize for a big chunk of that game, against a team that even when they’re not flat, aren’t a world-beater by any stretch. And in my book, had the easiest 1 seed to go through this year, despite blowing the end of the season and a home crowd and #1 seed that were almost guarantees at one point. But they managed again to find a way to lose, instead of win. UMD, Notre Dame, etc. as have been pointed out…we had more than our share of breaks. BU? Well, that one just flat out sucked and UND was as close to deserving a win in a game they lost there as I’ve seen. Would have been the best game/crowd atmosphere I’d ever been to if a bounce went the other way, and I’m onboard with that just being an unlucky one. BU would argue playing in Fargo in front of a packed and RABID UND fan base when they were the higher seed was pretty unlucky I bet, and no doubt influenced their play. 
 

I’m not sure what the answer is here, but do believe the coaching staff has to figure something out vs “have better luck next year”. And I’m also pretty sure (and hope) they would say the same thing. 

Exactly - we just aren't getting it done.  According to many posters we are the most unlucky team in the division and Denver is the luckiest.  I think there is more behind this.  Coaches need to figure it out real soon.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Assume Croal, Boisvert, Swanson: I see two F openings and maybe a third depending on Blake.

Littler? Klee? Portal?

Might be smart to try to balance the one man F class that is Perron. 

[burd]

Wood doesn't have Maurice Richard's speed or Ovie's shot.   Not much of a fighter.  Meh, another project.  

[The Sicatoka]

If your expectation is natty or bust you’re in for more pain than joy no matter who your team is. 

[Irish]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

If your expectation is natty or bust you’re in for more pain than joy no matter who your team is. 

How about if your expectation is to win some games in the regional and put yourself in position to win a natty instead of flaming out in the first round - or even making the tournament?