2022-2023 Recruiting

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So if NDSU starts landing P5 drop downs, people will start talking about some imaginary warm front centered over Hillsboro?  #simplequestion

Let us know when it happens.  

[nodak651]

3 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

How about you understand I wasn't responding to the exact same point each time so you probably shouldn't combine them all.

How about you just clearly state your argument and support it with facts instead of wasting everyone's time?  This thread is for all recruiting concerning UND basketball, but you think it's unfair to compare ORU's facilities to UND's, because it's irrelevant?  Rather than making insults, can you please just tell us what the coaches would say since that seems to be a huge point you want to make?  

[UND1983]

22 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

My point was pretty clear.  Read it again if you wish.  

The context was our location and how it affects recruiting, in general.  Notice I didn't specifically mention P5 recruits or quote you.  However, recruits commit or choose not to commit for many different reasons, and not all transfers or high school kids are the same.  Better facilities do always help though.  You said I'm clueless, though, so please correct me if that's incorrect.

Oh look, you were talking about us getting HS recruits that aren't good enough - but you said we were talking about P5 transfers (not HS kids)?

 

How about you just clearly state your argument and support it with facts instead of wasting everyone's time?  This thread is for all recruiting concerning UND basketball, but you think it's unfair to compare ORU's facilities to UND's, because it's irrelevant?  Rather than making insults, can you please just tell us what the coaches would say since that seems to be a huge point you want to make?  

When it comes to the portal, which is what we were talking about, they would tell you it is very difficult to get a distance kid that is worth a damn to go far away from their current location.  They typically always transfer closer to home (typically).  Now if the kid is from the midwest then we got a shot.  However, SDSU, NDSU, USD, UST would also feel they have a shot.  

We cannot fund every sport on campus at the top of their conference.  And provide all energy and resources the same.  No school in the country does that and UND is no different.  Hockey eats up the most.  FB is a distant second.  Then the basketball's are further down than them.  

[The Sicatoka]

16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So if NDSU starts landing P5 drop downs, people will start talking about some imaginary warm front centered over Hillsboro?  #simplequestion

It'll just mean Fargo finished their glass-dome-over-the-city project first.*

 

*Is it to keep people out, or in. 

[nodak651]

17 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

When it comes to the portal, which is what we were talking about, they would tell you it is very difficult to get a distance kid that is worth a damn to go far away from their current location.  They typically always transfer closer to home (typically).  Now if the kid is from the midwest then we got a shot.  However, SDSU, NDSU, USD, UST would also feel they have a shot.  

We cannot fund every sport on campus at the top of their conference.  And provide all energy and resources the same.  No school in the country does that and UND is no different.  Hockey eats up the most.  FB is a distant second.  Then the basketball's are further down than them.  

"WE" weren't only talking specifically about the portal.  I wasn't talking to you.  My comments were specifically about location, for all types of recruiting.  Also, you're upset I quoted you a bunch, but here you are saying that the discussion was only about the portal - you posted about our HS recruiting only 3 hours ago and in the same general discussion.  That's why I quoted you! 

Of course the other Summit schools would look at the same recruits, because they are nearby, we compete directly against each other, and they also live in a cold climate.  Location is an excuse for having worse basketball support and facilities than all of the schools you named above except for St. Thomas, which is obviously unique as they are in the Twin Cities.  

I'd love to see that data that shows location being the number one priority for P5 transfers.  If you can't cite your source, please don't insult me and tell me to ask coach about it. 

[The Sicatoka]

Anecdotal but just the same ...

Where I worked out east had what they called the "400/400" statistic. If they hired someone who was either (a) more than 400 miles from what they called their home town, or (b) 400 miles from where they went to college, their five years of employment rate was under 20%, meaning most folks would come, and leave in under five years. 

I suspect there are similar statistics out there for transfers.  

[SWSiouxMN]

12 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

When it comes to the portal, which is what we were talking about, they would tell you it is very difficult to get a distance kid that is worth a damn to go far away from their current location.  They typically always transfer closer to home (typically).  Now if the kid is from the midwest then we got a shot.  However, SDSU, NDSU, USD, UST would also feel they have a shot.  

We cannot fund every sport on campus at the top of their conference.  And provide all energy and resources the same.  No school in the country does that and UND is no different.  Hockey eats up the most.  FB is a distant second.  Then the basketball's are further down than them.  

They need to fund BB a little more, because out of all the sports at D1, basketball provides the biggest return of investment for UND.*

*Hockey is pretty maxed out, unless they turn the Ralph into an 18,000 seat arena.  FB can move the needle but pulling upsets in March Madness means more than winning FCS titles. 

[nodak651]

13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Anecdotal but just the same ...

Where I worked out east had what they called the "400/400" statistic. If they hired someone who was either (a) more than 400 miles from what they called their home town, or (b) 400 miles from where they went to college, their five years of employment rate was under 20%, meaning most folks would come, and leave in under five years. 

I suspect there are similar statistics out there for transfers.  

I get where you're coming from, but college basketball players will be back home within five years anyway, and they for the most part aren't worried about the considerations that families with kids have.  Adults with normal jobs benefit from being near grandparents who want to see the grand kids, and can help with daycare, etc.  Basketball transfers, specifically, are usually only looking at a few years at most, and many times it's only a season or two.  I don't think the two are very comparable.

I guess something that is comparable, imo, is moving far away for an opportunity (playing time for P5 transfers).

[nodak651]

1 minute ago, SWSiouxMN said:

They need to fund BB a little more, because out of all the sports at D1, basketball provides the biggest return of investment for UND.*

*Hockey is pretty maxed out, unless they turn the Ralph into an 18,000 seat arena.  FB can move the needle but pulling upsets in March Madness means more than winning FCS titles. 

The REA can also finance the practice facility the same way the Betty was financed. 

[Kab]

When the Ralph was built it should have been built so the lockers, meeting rooms, weight rooms were back to back with the betty with BB and hockey each having their own

will be nice to see the Betty expansion plans and see where they put things 

[UND1983]

19 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

"WE" weren't only talking specifically about the portal.  I wasn't talking to you.  My comments were specifically about location, for all types of recruiting.  Also, you're upset I quoted you a bunch, but here you are saying that the discussion was only about the portal - you posted about our HS recruiting only 3 hours ago and in the same general discussion.  That's why I quoted you! 

Of course the other Summit schools would look at the same recruits, because they are nearby, we compete directly against each other, and they also live in a cold climate.  Location is an excuse for having worse basketball support and facilities than all of the schools you named above except for St. Thomas, which is obviously unique as they are in the Twin Cities.  

I'd love to see that data that shows location being the number one priority for P5 transfers.  If you can't cite your source, please don't insult me and tell me to ask coach about it. 

You need data?  Oh ok.  If you haven't talked to anybody who recruits the portal then how can you possibly speak on it?  

[nodak651]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

You need data?  Oh ok.  If you haven't talked to anybody who recruits the portal then how can you possibly speak on it?  

You are the one speaking on it as if you know for certain it's fact.  As such, if you're actually interested in having a worthwhile discussion, the onus is on you to support your claim with anything beyond an insult.

[UND1983]

13 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

You are the one speaking on it as if you know for certain it's fact.  As such, if you're actually interested in having a worthwhile discussion, the onus is on you to support your claim with anything beyond an insult.

You want recordings and affidavits? Let me know when those P5 transfers start coming to town. Meanehile, I will keep commending them for trying the Juco route to fill holes, much like Herbst talked about in the presser a few weeks ago.  Need to get better and more mature/older like the other teams in the league.

[tnt]

I don't care how they get there, but I think everyone can agree, we just need to get there.   NDSU has been able to navigate the Summit quite nicely in men's basketball, so we just need to start finding a few diamonds in the rough to flip the scenario and give UND the ability to get more of the regions best players. 

[UND1983]

21 minutes ago, tnt said:

I don't care how they get there, but I think everyone can agree, we just need to get there.   NDSU has been able to navigate the Summit quite nicely in men's basketball, so we just need to start finding a few diamonds in the rough to flip the scenario and give UND the ability to get more of the regions best players. 

I agree 100%.  We all want them to win games.  How they go about it is certainly not cut and dry but it starts with hitting on some local kids

[SIOUXFAN97]

Just now, UND1983 said:

I agree 100%.  We all want them to win games.  How they go about it is certainly not cut and dry but it starts with hitting on some local kids

like nelson from DEVILS LAKE!!!!!

[UND1983]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

like nelson from DEVILS LAKE!!!!!

OMG.  wow that would've been nice!

[SD UND]

12 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

like nelson from DEVILS LAKE!!!!!

I believe he was Coach Sather's first offer when he got the UND job.. and he was the first to offer him any sort of scholarship when coach was at Northern. 

[ND-fan]

I have Relatives That are UND alumni and their two children have looked at UND and their parents were in favor of them coming to UND. The oldest one isn’t involved in sports but she visited the school loved campus and what  Und offered in her field and great package in scholarships but after she toured the town town saw what the Town offered for shopping and things to do she looked else where and went there. Now there youngest is athletic and is prospect for playing volleyball and already has been recruited by Montana State and several Ivy League schools as sophomore in high school but here she is not interested living in cold weather climate. I believe the kids today have higher standard or should I say it’s just not scholarship or even if institution has educational standards they also looking for it also has to be place where they want to live and socialize to like where they come from or they want. Todays kids are much different then when I went to school and probably even most of you when you went to school. Today that is why we see so many transfers and when they transfer they know what they want and by success rate in transferring I also got to believe even if they don’t get what they want will get their education by another way than continuing playing sports. I thought differently just couple years ago but I see it in my young adult children and now seeing it in kids that are coming to college now by way of my family they have requirements and if don’t meet them they will move on either finding in athletics or doing it another way. 

[GoodGood]

I do not think location plays a huge decision in most recruits decisions. If you go listen to interviews with top recruits, 9 times out of 10 they say the biggest factor in where they choose to play is based on the system/how they can be developed and their relationship with the coaching staff. Every once in awhile you’ll find guys that care about what major a school offers or a local kid that wants to stay close to family but overall most recruits are going where they have the best chance to play and develop as a basketball player. I laugh cause if you watched the Last Chance U documentary on Netflix, a guy said he would never leave the state of California because of his son being there. He’s now playing at Minnesota Crookston. 

[gfhockey]

4 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

I do not think location plays a huge decision in most recruits decisions. If you go listen to interviews with top recruits, 9 times out of 10 they say the biggest factor in where they choose to play is based on the system/how they can be developed and their relationship with the coaching staff. Every once in awhile you’ll find guys that care about what major a school offers or a local kid that wants to stay close to family but overall most recruits are going where they have the best chance to play and develop as a basketball player. I laugh cause if you watched the Last Chance U documentary on Netflix, a guy said he would never leave the state of California because of his son being there. He’s now playing at Minnesota Crookston. 

Does crookston even have a football yeam 

[GoodGood]

7 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Does crookston even have a football yeam 

Basketball 

[UND Fan]

19 hours ago, Kab said:

When the Ralph was built it should have been built so the lockers, meeting rooms, weight rooms were back to back with the betty with BB and hockey each having their own

will be nice to see the Betty expansion plans and see where they put things 

The Ralph was built with little planning and forethought.  They wanted to make sure it was complete prior to The Ralph hosting the World Junior hockey tourney in 2004 and they didn't want to spend any more than necessary. In fact, it was Coach Glas' understanding that that the capacity of the arena would be 4,000.  It wasn't until the construction was well underway that he learned that it would hold only 3,100.  

You are correct that meeting rooms and a weight room were not included in the original plans.  

[gfhockey]

Well we put over 2500 for one game each team all year. I don’t think capacity is the issue

[SD UND]

9 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Well we put over 2500 for one game each team all year. I don’t think capacity is the issue

Capacity is not the issue in the Betty. I honestly think the Betty is just fine as far as game facilities for the Summit League... could there be some improvements? Sure. UND has shown they will do some improvements... (film room, plans for practice facility) The locker rooms could use some updating but it's not like they are just absolute trash.. they are nice, just small.

 

If they closed an end and bowled it off it would be pretty sweet... not sure if that is ever the plan though.