Non-UND Men's Basketball

[SWSiouxMN]

On 7/16/2021 at 10:33 AM, sioux24/7 said:

Kevin Obanor ends up at Texas Tech. I’m surprised that Max decided to come back to ORU vs. going to a bigger school. They look to be a handful again. 

They have done a good job in adding some talented guards.  Losing Obanor will hurt but Weaver and Lacis should shoulder some of the load. That's a big man to replace in the middle. They will still be contending for a championship with NDSU and SDSU. 

[SWSiouxMN]

St. Thomas landed a big time recruit in MN.

They are going to be really good,really fast 

[FSSD]

SDSU just announced an $50 million dollar renovation to Frost and it should be done by 2023 or 2024.

USD - New Basketball/Volleyball (4,000) and major renovation of the Dakota Dome.  NOTE:  USD has mortgage payments for the next 20 years.

SDSU - New football stadium, new indoor practice facility and now $50 renovations to Frost (5,500).  NOTE:  SDSU has mortgage payments for the next 20 years.

NDSU - Fargo Dome, renovations to BSA (5,460) and new indoor practice facility.  Everything paid for I think.. might have some Dome renovations to pay for not sure.

UND - Alerus Center, new indoor practice facility...  do we need to up grade the Betty (3,300).  UND is facilities debt free - just finished paying for the Betty.

We have an arms race in the Dakotas..

[UND Fan]

3 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

St. Thomas landed a big time recruit in MN.

They are going to be really good,really fast 

You are correct - 6’9” Ahjany Lee at one time had offers from Kansas, Iowa and the Gophers. With so much talent in the Cities, the Tommies will be tough!!

[JohnboyND7]

Not sure what UND would do to the Betty? Still a very nice facility. No capacity issues anyway

[fightingsioux4life]

13 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Not sure what UND would do to the Betty? Still a very nice facility. No capacity issues anyway

Unless we start contending for March Madness every year.

[FSSD]

15 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Not sure what UND would do to the Betty? Still a very nice facility. No capacity issues anyway

Create separate practice facility for VB/Basketball and then put permanent seating on both ends of the court.  Plus remove the existing telescoping lower level seating and rework all of that with more premium seating and more permanent seating.  I think the framework is in place - they just needs to take it to the next level.

[SIOUXFAN97]

st thomas won't be in the slummit for long......

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

st thomas won't be in the slummit for long......

Or up your game and take the conference to the next level..  

[SIOUXFAN97]

25 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Or up your game and take the conference to the next level..  

kinda hard when this confrence is a revolving door and has been for years and years...

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

kinda hard when this confrence is a revolving door and has been for years and years...

Can't argue with that, but hopefully the old NCC schools of UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU, Omaha, St. Thomas can plus, larger urban schools of DU, ORU and UMKC can keep things more stable going forward.  The reality is that academic profile of the Summit League has really solidified and in many ways the Summit League is comparable to both the MVC and HL.

Summit League:

Institution	Location	Population	MSA Rank	Growth	Type	Enrollment	Endowment	Research
University of Denver	Denver, Colorado	2,960	19	12.3	Private	11,952	$711,345,798	R2
University of Missouri–Kansas City	Kansas City, Missouri	2,190	31	9.09	Public	16,944	$152,800,000	R2
University of Nebraska Omaha	Omaha, Nebraska	970	58	11.82	Public	15,431	$72,000,000	R2
University of North Dakota	Grand Forks, North Dakota	105	348	6	Public	13,847	$366,000,000	R2
North Dakota State University	Fargo, North Dakota	250	192	19.67	Public	14,358	$201,600,000	R2
Oral Roberts University	Tulsa, Oklahoma	1,010	55	8.3	Private	4,053	$40,490,533
University of St. Thomas	Saint Paul, Minnesota	3,700	16	10	Private	9,878	$519,000,000
University of South Dakota	Vermillion, South Dakota				Public	10,151	$213,560,000	R2
South Dakota State University	Brookings, South Dakota				Public	12,613	$135,700,000	R2
Western Illinois University	Macomb, Illinois				Public	7,624	$32,134,249

 

Missouri Valley:

Institution	Location	Population	MSA Rank	Growth	Type	Enrollment	Endowment	Research
Bradley University	Peoria, Illinois	402	136	-3.33	Private	5,451	$324,900,000
Drake University	Des Moines, Iowa	709	82	16.98	Private	5,270	$219,800,000
Illinois State University	Normal, Illinois	54		4	Public	20,706	$151,000,000	R2
Indiana State University	Terre Haute, Indiana	185	231	-2.49	Public	13,584	$70,000,000
Loyola University Chicago	Chicago, Illinois	9,600	3	1.66	Private	16,437	$711,000,000	R2
Missouri State University	Springfield, Missouri	475	117	8.87	Public	26,000	$145,800,000
Southern Illinois University	Carbondale, Illinois	133	310	-4.11	Public	11,695	$154,000,000	R2
University of Evansville	Evansville, Indiana	314	164	0.8	Private	2,526	$93,400,000
University of Northern Iowa	Cedar Falls, Iowa	276	178	7.2	Public	12,273	$135,000,000
Valparaiso University	Valparaiso, Indiana				Private	4,500	$254,000,000

- Research Levels -  Summit League has 7 schools vs 3 MVC schools at R2 research activities

- SL has 5 markets over 1 million in population.  MVC  has 1 market - now it's a monster (Chicago).  But, 6 of the MVC markets have growth rates less than 4% and 4 of them are basically zero or less than zero.  All of the Summit League markets are growing at healthy rates.  The MVC has 3 healthy growth markets.

- And the endowments for the schools are very comparable.

So, in many ways the Summit League has put together several nice pieces.  Now, several of these schools have to show signs of growing on the athletics side of things.  But, the pieces are there to be leveraged.  To be honest, I think you can ask questions on how healthy are all the Illinois and Chicago area schools and the MVC is very Chicago based.  If Loyola leaves the MVC for the Big East or A10.  It would have a huge hole to fill.  NOTE:  It has been stated that the MVC is looking toward the southern US for it's next expansion plans (two schools being mentioned ORU and Unv Texas- Arlington).  I think the primary reason is that they are looking for larger healthy growth markets - which they don't have beyond Des Moines, Cedar Falls and Springfield.  And the Summit League does (Denver, MSP, Tulsa, Kanas City, Omaha).  The Summit League does have some positives.

[UND Fan]

7 hours ago, FSSD said:

Can't argue with that, but hopefully the old NCC schools of UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU, Omaha, St. Thomas can plus, larger urban schools of DU, ORU and UMKC can keep things more stable going forward.  The reality is that academic profile of the Summit League has really solidified and in many ways the Summit League is comparable to both the MVC and HL.

Summit League:

Institution	Location	Population	MSA Rank	Growth	Type	Enrollment	Endowment	Research
University of Denver	Denver, Colorado	2,960	19	12.3	Private	11,952	$711,345,798	R2
University of Missouri–Kansas City	Kansas City, Missouri	2,190	31	9.09	Public	16,944	$152,800,000	R2
University of Nebraska Omaha	Omaha, Nebraska	970	58	11.82	Public	15,431	$72,000,000	R2
University of North Dakota	Grand Forks, North Dakota	105	348	6	Public	13,847	$366,000,000	R2
North Dakota State University	Fargo, North Dakota	250	192	19.67	Public	14,358	$201,600,000	R2
Oral Roberts University	Tulsa, Oklahoma	1,010	55	8.3	Private	4,053	$40,490,533
University of St. Thomas	Saint Paul, Minnesota	3,700	16	10	Private	9,878	$519,000,000
University of South Dakota	Vermillion, South Dakota				Public	10,151	$213,560,000	R2
South Dakota State University	Brookings, South Dakota				Public	12,613	$135,700,000	R2
Western Illinois University	Macomb, Illinois				Public	7,624	$32,134,249

 

Missouri Valley:

Institution	Location	Population	MSA Rank	Growth	Type	Enrollment	Endowment	Research
Bradley University	Peoria, Illinois	402	136	-3.33	Private	5,451	$324,900,000
Drake University	Des Moines, Iowa	709	82	16.98	Private	5,270	$219,800,000
Illinois State University	Normal, Illinois	54		4	Public	20,706	$151,000,000	R2
Indiana State University	Terre Haute, Indiana	185	231	-2.49	Public	13,584	$70,000,000
Loyola University Chicago	Chicago, Illinois	9,600	3	1.66	Private	16,437	$711,000,000	R2
Missouri State University	Springfield, Missouri	475	117	8.87	Public	26,000	$145,800,000
Southern Illinois University	Carbondale, Illinois	133	310	-4.11	Public	11,695	$154,000,000	R2
University of Evansville	Evansville, Indiana	314	164	0.8	Private	2,526	$93,400,000
University of Northern Iowa	Cedar Falls, Iowa	276	178	7.2	Public	12,273	$135,000,000
Valparaiso University	Valparaiso, Indiana				Private	4,500	$254,000,000

- Research Levels -  Summit League has 7 schools vs 3 MVC schools at R2 research activities

- SL has 5 markets over 1 million in population.  MVC  has 1 market - now it's a monster (Chicago).  But, 6 of the MVC markets have growth rates less than 4% and 4 of them are basically zero or less than zero.  All of the Summit League markets are growing at healthy rates.  The MVC has 3 healthy growth markets.

- And the endowments for the schools are very comparable.

So, in many ways the Summit League has put together several nice pieces.  Now, several of these schools have to show signs of growing on the athletics side of things.  But, the pieces are there to be leveraged.  To be honest, I think you can ask questions on how healthy are all the Illinois and Chicago area schools and the MVC is very Chicago based.  If Loyola leaves the MVC for the Big East or A10.  It would have a huge hole to fill.  NOTE:  It has been stated that the MVC is looking toward the southern US for it's next expansion plans (two schools being mentioned ORU and Unv Texas- Arlington).  I think the primary reason is that they are looking for larger healthy growth markets - which they don't have beyond Des Moines, Cedar Falls and Springfield.  And the Summit League does (Denver, MSP, Tulsa, Kanas City, Omaha).  The Summit League does have some positives.

On an unrelated note, this data certainly points out how successful the UND Foundation has been in fundraising. Only three schools have larger endowments - and they are all private universities!

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

48 minutes ago, UND Fan said:

On an unrelated note, this data certainly points out how successful the UND Foundation has been in fundraising. Only three schools have larger endowments - and they are all private universities!

Endowments can be deceptive when it comes to the economic health of an institution.

Maybe a fairer assessment would include a comparison of gains versus cuts in jobs, academic programs, and sports, and - in the case of publics - dependence on state dollars.

Pledged dollars and future returns on investments for the school mean very little to people who have been laid off due to budget cuts.

[SWSiouxMN]

Western Illinois is making an early statement in non-conference play.  They might give SDSU a run for their money.

 

[sioux24/7]

22 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Western Illinois is making an early statement in non-conference play.  They might give SDSU a run for their money.

 

Jeter was able to turn that dumpster fire around quick. 

[Jerry]

Tyree Ihenacho scores 2 points in 14 minutes of playing time in James Madison’s upset of Virginia.

[SIOUXFAN97]

12 hours ago, Jerry said:

Tyree Ihenacho scores 2 points in 14 minutes of playing time in James Madison’s upset of Virginia.

probably didn't score those 2 from the free throw line...

[SWSiouxMN]

SDSU marches into Fargo and gets a big Summit road win.

Already with wins against ORU at home and now NDSU on the road.  

[sioux24/7]

 

[SWSiouxMN]

Early Summit Thoughts

SDSU is the favorite, wins in Fargo and defended the home court against ORU

UST is showing that they can complete in the Summit League.  Very well coached.

What the heck WIU?  1-2 start and could easily be 0-3 in conference play.

NDSU is still the biggest threat to SDSU, but ORU is starting to round into form

Omaha will probably be looking for a new coach (the return of Saul?)  

[FSSD]

23 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Early Summit Thoughts

SDSU is the favorite, wins in Fargo and defended the home court against ORU

UST is showing that they can complete in the Summit League.  Very well coached.

What the heck WIU?  1-2 start and could easily be 0-3 in conference play.

NDSU is still the biggest threat to SDSU, but ORU is starting to round into form

Omaha will probably be looking for a new coach (the return of Saul?)  

Interesting comments on Omaha - a couple years ago they had very solid teams and they looked like they were improving.  Any thoughts on what changed?

[SWSiouxMN]

58 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Interesting comments on Omaha - a couple years ago they had very solid teams and they looked like they were improving.  Any thoughts on what changed?

Last year was very rough and this year hasn't gotten any better. They seemed to have gone backwards since getting oh so close to the NCAA a few years back. 

They are very uncompetitive this year.  

[sioux24/7]

Our old friend Brian Jones is taking over at Illinois State for the rest of the season. 

[Nodak78]

Looks like Brian Jones will get 5 games as HC.  Then look for another position.

 

https://pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/watch-now-brian-jones-to-coach-illinois-states-basketball-team-the-rest-of-the-season/article_c5a96a2b-d54c-50e7-be47-24cefc1b3a73.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

Our old friend Brian Jones is taking over at Illinois State for the rest of the season. 

please alert mvc refers that some good old foot stomping and spastic movements will be coming shortly from the isu sidelines.