homer Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: Trump ran stating he would replace the ACA with something better. Since then he has tried to kill the ACA multiple times with no replacement. If trying to make 20 million plus become uninsured during a worldwide pandemic, in which we are losing more than any other country, isn’t fueled by hate, I’m not sure what is. If someone was trying to eliminate your insurance plan, how exactly would you feel? It already happened to me. Remember “if you like your plan, you can keep it.” 1
homer Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Hayduke1 said: Biden showing clarity of thought, organized and thought out policies in comparison to Trump in a debate? Yeah, I dont think that's a problem. Lol Of course, you have evidence of these "businesses" en masse that are opposed to any economic or environmental policies Biden is proposing? Of course you don't. Lol It doesn't matter anyway. The orange s$#%stain will continue to self destruct. His clarity of thought has been on point for the last few years. How many did he recently say died from Covid again? Twice. You can find many business articles available in the last few weeks since he has given what his policies would be. Raising tax on business and people doesn’t play well when business is struggling to keep their doors open right now.
Redneksioux Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, homer said: It already happened to me. Remember “if you like your plan, you can keep it.” Who killed your health insurance plan?
homer Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: Who killed your health insurance plan? Prices for plans went up at my workplace the year following ACA. Work stubs can prove it. The costs of prescriptions, namely insulin have gone up consistently with the exception of the last year since ACA. This is the first year I have not drove to Canada to buy it since ACA. I wasn’t able to keep my same plan after that bill was rushed through.
Redneksioux Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, homer said: Prices for plans went up at my workplace the year following ACA. Work stubs can prove it. The costs of prescriptions, namely insulin have gone up consistently with the exception of the last year since ACA. This is the first year I have not drove to Canada to buy it since ACA. I wasn’t able to keep my same plan after that bill was rushed through. Prices have gone up for every plan, but this started well before the ACA was introduced. The individual mandate was supposed to help push everyone to get insured, after all you can’t legally drive without car insurance so why should you be able to access healthcare without health insurance. Yet the mandate was found unconstitutional by the right wingers. What would happen to your car insurance rates of responsible drivers no longer were required to be insured? Thankfully Obama was able to rush the ACA through quicker than trump’s health plan. It’s four years later, where are these more affordable and better options? 1
Hayduke1 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, homer said: His clarity of thought has been on point for the last few years. How many did he recently say died from Covid again? Twice. You can find many business articles available in the last few weeks since he has given what his policies would be. Raising tax on business and people doesn’t play well when business is struggling to keep their doors open right now. So, he took the Montreal Cognitive test. Why? Why was he asked by doctors to take the test to see if someone is in the early stages of Alzheimers or another degenerative disease causing mental incapacity. Then he brags about how he "aced" the test. A test which isn't designed to test IQ. It is just to see if he isn't losing his freaking mental functions. Yay him. Lol https://mashable.com/article/donald-trump-brags-about-cognitive-dysfunction-test/ So, businesses en masse. In other words, you have nothing and you merrily go along with the cult of Trump. In the meantime, I can note this source. It's an opinion piece, but ar least I have something. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/biden-economic-agenda-presents-voters-with-a-clear-choice/
Bison06 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: Prices have gone up for every plan, but this started well before the ACA was introduced. The individual mandate was supposed to help push everyone to get insured, after all you can’t legally drive without car insurance so why should you be able to access healthcare without health insurance. Yet the mandate was found unconstitutional by the right wingers. What would happen to your car insurance rates of responsible drivers no longer were required to be insured? Thankfully Obama was able to rush the ACA through quicker than trump’s health plan. It’s four years later, where are these more affordable and better options? Car insurance is a false equivalency as you aren’t forced to drive and can opt out of owning a car. Having a body is inherent to life. You can’t opt out of it. Mandating people to buy any such product is akin to a tax and has been treated as such by those opposed to it. 1 1
Redneksioux Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Car insurance is a false equivalency and you aren’t forced to drive and can opt out of owning a car. Having a body is inherent to life. You can’t opt out of it. Mandating people to buy any product is akin to a tax and has been treated as such by those opposed to it. Having a body is inherent to life, sure. So should the cost of buying food also be considered a tax?
Bison06 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: Having a body is inherent to life, sure. So should the cost of buying food also be considered a tax? Not sure what you’re asking. You seem to be arguing the opposite point and making my point. Things that you don’t have a choice about shouldn’t be mandated and have people forced to pay for them. If you are forced by law to pay for a product Or service, it’s a tax and should be treated that way when it’s being discussed by our representatives.
UND1983 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 50 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: So, he took the Montreal Cognitive test. Why? Why was he asked by doctors to take the test to see if someone is in the early stages of Alzheimers or another degenerative disease causing mental incapacity. Then he brags about how he "aced" the test. A test which isn't designed to test IQ. It is just to see if he isn't losing his freaking mental functions. Yay him. Lol https://mashable.com/article/donald-trump-brags-about-cognitive-dysfunction-test/ So, businesses en masse. In other words, you have nothing and you merrily go along with the cult of Trump. In the meantime, I can note this source. It's an opinion piece, but ar least I have something. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/biden-economic-agenda-presents-voters-with-a-clear-choice/ I realize now you are a bit different but the used of the R word or the second half of it is getting to be a bit much and says alot about you. Keep your schtick up but maybe do without that? 1
homer Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: Having a body is inherent to life, sure. So should the cost of buying food also be considered a tax? Don’t you already pay tax when you purchase food? Not sure if your point.
Hayduke1 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, UND1983 said: I realize now you are a bit different but the used of the R word or the second half of it is getting to be a bit much and says alot about you. Keep your schtick up but maybe do without Ah, I see. In other words, Trumptards can dish it out but cannot take it. Not my problem.. 2 3
homer Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Redneksioux said: Prices have gone up for every plan, but this started well before the ACA was introduced. The individual mandate was supposed to help push everyone to get insured, after all you can’t legally drive without car insurance so why should you be able to access healthcare without health insurance. Yet the mandate was found unconstitutional by the right wingers. What would happen to your car insurance rates of responsible drivers no longer were required to be insured? Thankfully Obama was able to rush the ACA through quicker than trump’s health plan. It’s four years later, where are these more affordable and better options? My prices were consistent on prescriptions before ACA and the options for insulin were far greater and coverage was better. Things have changed since ACA, for some it’s been better, for me its been for the worse although prices have been better the last year and a few more options are available.
Redneksioux Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Not sure what you’re asking. You seem to be arguing the opposite point and making my point. Things that you don’t have a choice about shouldn’t be mandated and have people forced to pay for them. If you are forced by law to pay for a product Or service, it’s a tax and should be treated that way when it’s being discussed by our representatives. If having a body is inherent to life and this makes any product you are required to purchase a tax, wouldn't this apply to food just as it applies to health insurance? I guess we could always choose to just go without food, like one could choose to go without healthcare. Makes perfect sense.
Bison06 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: If having a body is inherent to life and this makes any product you are required to purchase a tax, wouldn't this apply to food just as it applies to health insurance? I guess we could always choose to just go without food, like one could choose to go without healthcare. Makes perfect sense. When I say required, I’m using the legal definition of that word. You are not legally required to buy food. You can grow your own, you can hunt, you can fish. Obviously not viable for most people, but the point is, nobody from the government is forcing a consenting adult to buy food. 1 1
UND1983 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Ah, I see. In other words, Trumptards can dish it out but cannot take it. Not my problem.. It's the equivalent of the N word, the exact equivalent. Take a step back bud, you're getting a little intense about things. 1
Hayduke1 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, UND1983 said: It's the equivalent of the N word, the exact equivalent. Take a step back bud, you're getting a little intense about things. Funny how I'm singled out for this use of Trumptard. Hmmm.. I guess "libtard" is just fine with you. Never saw a complaint about that. Selective in your outrage, aren't you? Well, that is the Trumptard way. Lol. 1
wxman91 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics.
UND1983 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Funny how I'm singled out for this use of Trumptard. Hmmm.. I guess "libtard" is just fine with you. Never saw a complaint about that. Selective in your outrage, aren't you? Well, that is the Trumptard way. Lol. Was just going to type that anybody using it at the end of a word should probably grow up. Lol. Cause it's really funny to use that word.
Oxbow6 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, wxman91 said: Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics. Demographics are now political too? Interesting.......who knew? Was actually expecting more from you. Thought you'd go with the racism card.
wxman91 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 By the way, nobody has to guess or imagine what the Ds would do if they are in charge of the House/Senate/Presidency regarding voting. HR1 - https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1/text automatic voter registration ends partisan gerrymandering for federal elections funds for election security No voting for illegals. No voting for incarcerated felons. 1 1
Hayduke1 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Was just going to type that anybody using it at the end of a word should probably grow up. Lol. Cause it's really funny to use that word. So, you think it's funny exposing your hypocrisy? So do I. We have that in common... Lol
Redneksioux Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Bison06 said: When I say required, I’m using the legal definition of that word. You are not legally required to buy food. You can grow your own, you can hunt, you can fish. Obviously not viable for most people, but the point is, nobody from the government is forcing a consenting adult to buy food. And they also aren’t currently requiring you to have health insurance. But they are by law requiring hospitals to treat anyone regardless of their ability to pay. I know it’s not what you want to hear but there’s only one solution to this problem.
Bison06 Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: And they also aren’t currently requiring you to have health insurance. But they are by law requiring hospitals to treat anyone regardless of their ability to pay. I know it’s not what you want to hear but there’s only one solution to this problem. Actually the ACA did require you to be insured or be fined(that penalty was later repealed I believe) Healthcare is an interesting subject, as someone involved in healthcare, I see being able to see a doctor is a human right and see the value of "socialized medicine". On the other hand, from a financial and ethical standpoint, I see major challenges when the state is in charge of your plan.(dictating what care you can and cannot receive, mandating one treatment over another, barring individuals from public places if they aren't in compliance etc) As it stands, we have the worst possible system, we aren't fully free market and we aren't fully socialized. I think a commitment in either direction would be a major improvement over what we currently have. 1
TheFlop Posted July 20, 2020 Posted July 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, wxman91 said: Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics. Talking out of your rear again.....because it's almost all political at this point. Don't be a hypocrite and try to make it sound otherwise. At least Oxbow helps put the Covid, and in this case the double standards that exist when it comes to media reporting crime, into perspective for people like yourself that aren't equipped to do so.
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