Hambone Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Maybe this should go into a different thread, but it appears UND will have a new defensive assistant (guessing grad, as nothing appears to have been announced) but Luke Johnson, who just finished up playing at UW - Platteville, has a new twitter profile as a UND "defensive assistant". https://twitter.com/Coach_LJohnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Nodak61 said: Everyone needs to stop with all the "negative waves"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak61 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: YES! Exactly what I was referencing! Figured I was too old for many to remember that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hambone said: Maybe this should go into a different thread, but it appears UND will have a new defensive assistant (guessing grad, as nothing appears to have been announced) but Luke Johnson, who just finished up playing at UW - Platteville, has a new twitter profile as a UND "defensive assistant". https://twitter.com/Coach_LJohnson The new DL coach obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FlinFlan80 said: Average teams don't make the playoffs. That's what above average teams do. We beat Montana State this year, who willed themselves all the way to the Semi Finals. You really think we are average. This is a hockey school. We are fortunate to have a football program that is competitive to go along with it. 35-30 over last 6 years? Yeah that's pretty much the definition of average.......but just wait til next year right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Nodak61 said: YES! Exactly what I was referencing! Figured I was too old for many to remember that!!! The original reference is to Sherlock Holmes novels. He addresses his nemesis, Moriarty, with an "always with the negative waves" line. I believe it's used in one of the Robert Downey Jr as "Holmes" movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: The new DL coach obviously Not really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlinFlan80 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, TheFlop said: 35-30 over last 6 years? Yeah that's pretty much the definition of average.......but just wait til next year right? If you know anything about taking over a program, you know that the first 2-3 years are a wash because what was there when you got there was not exactly what you want for your schemes and beliefs. Not disrespect, but it is not like Bubba took over Bama. He took over a hockey school's football program. We won a Big Sky Championship, which I consider the best overall conference in the FCS. Ya I know you are going to start on "the Mighty Valley", but look at the bottom half of the Valley. It's real bad. Look at your last ten comments, are you even a UND fan or just someone who comes on here to piss off true fans with negativity and moaning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, FlinFlan80 said: If you know anything about taking over a program, you know that the first 2-3 years are a wash because what was there when you got there was not exactly what you want for your schemes and beliefs. Not disrespect, but it is not like Bubba took over Bama. He took over a hockey school's football program. We won a Big Sky Championship, which I consider the best overall conference in the FCS. Ya I know you are going to start on "the Mighty Valley", but look at the bottom half of the Valley. It's real bad. Look at your last ten comments, are you even a UND fan or just someone who comes on here to piss off true fans with negativity and moaning? Pretty sure he isn't a UND fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Pretty sure he isn't a UND fan. A UND fan? Yes. A fan of the philosophy of the football team where they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results? No. Despite being second fiddle in town UND football has enough going for it where just being average should not be the expectation year after year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, UND1983 said: Not really No !@#$ Sherlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlinFlan80 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 44 minutes ago, TheFlop said: A UND fan? Yes. A fan of the philosophy of the football team where they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results? No. Despite being second fiddle in town UND football has enough going for it where just being average should not be the expectation year after year. Why would you cheer for a team you literally have nothing positive to say about? That's like being a Browns fan because you know it will piss you off and bring negativity into your life. Unless you played for UND or have a child on the current squad, I highly suggest you find a new team to follow because there is a very slim chance this team ever lives up to your expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, FlinFlan80 said: Why would you cheer for a team you literally have nothing positive to say about? That's like being a Browns fan because you know it will piss you off and bring negativity into your life. Unless you played for UND or have a child on the current squad, I highly suggest you find a new team to follow because there is a very slim chance this team ever lives up to your expectations. Lol ok fan police. You should be in charge of UND Football advertising campaign....."Middle of the pack keeps Bubba coming back" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlinFlan80 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Lol ok fan police. You should be in charge of UND Football advertising campaign....."Middle of the pack keeps Bubba coming back" Well I am just saying click on your profile and go look at every single one of your comments. Literally every comment you post is negative. When was the last time you said anything positive about UND football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FlinFlan80 said: Well I am just saying click on your profile and go look at every single one of your comments. Literally every comment you post is negative. When was the last time you said anything positive about UND football? Funny. Either a Bizon fan or Muss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 One more example of bison insecurity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 hours ago, FlinFlan80 said: How would people ever move up in the coaching world if internal hiring didn't happen? Schmidt moved up by going outside of UND, or at least he moved up financially. We can hire from outside too can't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 3:07 PM, Siouxperfan7 said: https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/football/4857480-UND-promotes-Brett-Holinka-to-defensive-coordinator#.XheU8ICHbVw.twitter "Holinka said UND will continue to run a 3-4 defense." On the plus side we haven't had a veer offense put up over 200 yards on us in years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, Irish said: On the plus side we haven't had a veer offense put up over 200 yards on us in years. Almost want UND to switch to a 4-3 just to shut everyone up.... then wait for everyone to realize it's more about players than scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Almost want UND to switch to a 4-3 just to shut everyone up.... then wait for everyone to realize it's more about players than scheme. Would switching to a 4-3 help UND contain Idaho St.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Would switching to a 4-3 help UND contain Idaho St.? Would it shut down Montana State? Only one way to find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 4:17 PM, Bison06 said: Actually, the talk in this thread about differences in personnel between the two defenses is spot on. Mr. Holinka is likely very well aware of the current conversations surrounding the defense and is downplaying the differences between the two. Savvy media comments. The two fronts are very different, much more than just standing up or putting his hand on the ground. 3-4 defenses require your nose to be responsible for two gaps vs one. Without a Haloti Ngata type at the nose that can absolutely manhandle the center and requiring a double team on nearly every play, the defense is vulnerable. Point is, they are very different fronts and require very different recruiting, IMO. Mr. Holinka clearly knows this and I'm sure will do a great job recruiting the players that best fit his defense. It’s just a title based on tendency. You can call it a 3-4 and yet play it like a 4-3 with one backer as an end-backer hybrid. Alternatively, you can call it 3-4 and really play it like a 5-2 and have all O linemen covered, therefore NOT requiring the nose to traditionally cover 2 gaps. Many hybrid spins to the 3-4 defense. That’s the beauty of it. The personnel is key in absolutely everything when it comes to successful schemes, so that’s common sense. It’s about putting the players in the best position. UND will be a 3-4 defense and recruit to it, but the success or lack thereof simply comes down to the ability of the players. My only gripes on UND’s defense in the past has been their nickel packages. They could do a better job with sub packages; more backers and defensive backs rather than always keep 3 down linemen on the field during passing downs. Mason Bennett was a key player for UND because he had the ability to be a true hybrid defensive end. He could play 4-3 defensive end, 3-4 outside backer, and even 3 technique 3-4 defensive end, which is what UND had him listed as. I think he was most successful when standing up, however, as perimeter backer in UND’s scheme. Very athletic despite his frame. UND will miss him. Jaxon Turner is much more a true outside linebacker, would like him to be a bit bigger. Definitely has the athleticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: It’s just a title based on tendency. You can call it a 3-4 and yet play it like a 4-3 with one backer as an end-backer hybrid. Alternatively, you can call it 3-4 and really play it like a 5-2 and have all O linemen covered, therefore NOT requiring the nose to traditionally cover 2 gaps. Many hybrid spins to the 3-4 defense. That’s the beauty of it. The personnel is key in absolutely everything when it comes to successful schemes, so that’s common sense. It’s about putting the players in the best position. UND will be a 3-4 defense and recruit to it, but the success or lack thereof simply comes down to the ability of the players. My only gripes on UND’s defense in the past has been their nickel packages. They could do a better job with sub packages; more backers and defensive backs rather than always keep 3 down linemen on the field during passing downs. Mason Bennett was a key player for UND because he had the ability to be a true hybrid defensive end. He could play 4-3 defensive end, 3-4 outside backer, and even 3 technique 3-4 defensive end, which is what UND had him listed as. I think he was most successful when standing up, however, as perimeter backer in UND’s scheme. Very athletic despite his frame. UND will miss him. Jaxon Turner is much more a true outside linebacker, would like him to be a bit bigger. Definitely has the athleticism. In my opinion this is not so much that the 3-4 is a poor defense as it is a symbol of our hidebound coach. Don't have the personnel to run it this year? - "Do it anyway - that's what we do." Time for a new coordinator - "Who in house is most experienced at the 3-4?" You're a 37-32 coach at UND - what's your plan for improvement? "More of the same". It symbolizes 5 years of Rudy, all of the 4th down and short punts, the Idaho State games, and the Day By Day press conferences. If at the end of the day the 3-4 is the best option for our personnel - great. But please open up your mind a bit. Bubba is a dinosaur and the comet is approaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Irish said: In my opinion this is not so much that the 3-4 is a poor defense as it is a symbol of our hidebound coach. Don't have the personnel to run it this year? - "Do it anyway - that's what we do." Time for a new coordinator - "Who in house is most experienced at the 3-4?" You're a 37-32 coach at UND - what's your plan for improvement? "More of the same". It symbolizes 5 years of Rudy, all of the 4th down and short punts, the Idaho State games, and the Day By Day press conferences. If at the end of the day the 3-4 is the best option for our personnel - great. But please open up your mind a bit. Bubba is a dinosaur and the comet is approaching. You realize the DL was the thinnest part of the defense, right? So now you want to play four of them at a time and risk further injury? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 hours ago, UND1983 said: Would it shut down Montana State? Only one way to find out Problem is that for every Montana St there's been 2-3 Idaho States under Bubba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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