NDSUCKS Dump Thread

[Siouxphan27]

I just saw this ad, paid for by NDSU football staff, in the NDSU Spectrum paper:  

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

We could ask you and every school that couldn't we.

We could but you're the one throwing around the "outlier" comment in regards to NDSU's rate of passing drug tests. So unless you have a good reason to deflect, let's stay on topic. 

[Gothmog]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

That's right YOU dont know.

Just so I understand, all it would have been required is for the player to have taken two scoops of the supplement in question, along with a Mountain Dew or two, and he would have been vulnerable to a positive test for stimulants? Is that the case?

 

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Just so I understand, all it would have been required is for the player to have taken two scoops of the supplement in question, along with a Mountain Dew or two, and he would have been vulnerable to a positive test for stimulants? Is that the case?

 

You tell us, chief.  Apparently the narrative has developed into he simply ate a couple of those chocolate coffee beans that Caribou puts on drinks and then tested positive for caffeine. 

Do I have it right?

[Mama Sue]

Seriously Bison73, you do have a lot to be proud of and should be basking in the team meeting the president. Why are you continually trolling here? I do say I have come to know and enjoy more Sioux supporters here with your posts.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

22 minutes ago, SlowHand said:

Thread is hilarious.  Keep up the good "work".

Slow, so we can expect you to be laughing like let's say tomorrow?

[The Sicatoka]

16 hours ago, Gothmog said:

Just so I understand, all it would have been required is for the player to have taken two scoops of the supplement in question, along with a Mountain Dew or two, and he would have been vulnerable to a positive test for stimulants? Is that the case?

Under the assumption you are tacitly stating, namely that the issue is caffeine, and under your implicit claim to know the supplement in question and its caffeine content, and that of Mountain Dew, it is possible given potential consumption times and biologic half-lives. So possible, but many assumptions and moving parts in there. 

That said ... we know none of that because there are no stated facts about the detected stimulant from any involved party (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA). 

[gundy1124]

15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Under the assumption you are tacitly stating, namely that the issue is caffeine, and under your implicit claim to know the supplement in question and its caffeine content, and that of Mountain Dew, it is possible given potential consumption times and biologic half-lives. So possible, but many assumptions and moving parts in there. 

That said ... we know none of that because there are no stated facts about the detected stimulant from any involved party (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA). 

If it's caffeine I think they just come out and say caffeine.  I don't think anyone cares about caffeine because it's socially acceptable.  My gut tells me, it's not caffeine as you really have to work hard for 500mg in the system post game.

[UND-FB-FAN]

It wasn’t caffeine.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

10 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

If it's caffeine I think they just come out and say caffeine.  I don't think anyone cares about caffeine because it's socially acceptable.  My gut tells me, it's not caffeine as you really have to work hard for 500mg in the system post game.

I'd have to agree. Too much lock down since the SDSU game in the FB program (and AD office) at NDSU for it to be caffeine. They absolutely don't want the name of this product to get out.

[The Sicatoka]

11 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It wasn’t caffeine.

For my own consistency, until we have an official statement from a party with first-hand knowledge (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) we don't know that. 

[Siouxphan27]

More Ostarine, Please!

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

For my own consistency, until we have an official statement from a party with first-hand knowledge (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) we don't know that. 

Or Robbins' teammates stating it wan't 17 pregame cups of JOE. 

[Siouxphan27]

17 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It wasn’t caffeine.

exactly.  Even without further information from either party there's just no way it was caffeine.   Brock said he was concerned about being called a steroid user or marijuana user.  Yet, he didn't bother to add another sentence to help clear his name by saying, "by the way, taking this supplement resulted in having more caffeine in my system than is allowed."  

 

[The Sicatoka]

Should NDSU choose to announce any further information about this matter, I can't think of a better week to do it. The football team was in DC; there's a donor announcement Thursday at NDSU (per ira). It would easily be at best third in this week's NDSU news cycle. And third prize doesn't even get you the steak knives. 

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Or Robbins' teammates stating it wan't 17 pregame cups of JOE. 

That wouldn't be definitive. A teammate could only report what they observed. 

Robbins, NDSU, and the NCAA knows what the substance in question is. They have the test report data.  

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Should NDSU choose to announce any further information about this matter, I can't think of a better week to do it. The football team was in DC; there's a donor announcement Thursday at NDSU (per ira). It would easily be at best third in this week's NDSU news cycle. And third prize doesn't even get you the steak knives. 

SU will not announce it, they have this so locked down, no one will talk about it. They are trying to ride this out.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

28 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

That wouldn't be definitive. A teammate could only report what they observed. 

Robbins, NDSU, and the NCAA knows what the substance in question is. They have the test report data.  

Junior's teammates were more than observing according to BB Mama, they were also swallowing and know what came down.

[The Sicatoka]

When this first broke the whisper mill churned out "they just forgot to put in some paperwork to the NCAA" as the problem. (See earlier in this thread or on other sites.) 

What that implies is the substance is acceptable under a prescription from a doctor. That's how something disallowed becomes acceptable. The NCAA does offer exceptions in the case of "under a doctor's care or order". 

Now the story is caffeine. 

Has anyone ever gotten a prescription for ... caffeine? 

And, if it is caffeine why not say it and get the sympathy (and scoffing disbelieve toward the NCAA) from the average person who gets through their day with a vente triple-shot espresso. 

 

This is where I loop back to ... we don't know until someone with first-hand knowledge of the test results (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) makes an official statement. 

 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Actually, I think it will take another teammate to come forward to break this story.

The story about "Proper paper work"
or, "wait, it was too much JOE"
IS ALL MADE UP BY THE TROLLS, NDSU never come forward with any of that.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

For my own consistency, until we have an official statement from a party with first-hand knowledge (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) we don't know that. 

I’ll believe unofficial word of mouth in this one.

[football program > individual student-athlete] is all we’re seeing here as far as lack of official statement goes. 

[UNDBIZ]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

When this first broke the whisper mill churned out "they just forgot to put in some paperwork to the NCAA" as the problem. (See earlier in this thread or on other sites.) 

What that implies is the substance is acceptable under a prescription from a doctor. That's how something disallowed becomes acceptable. The NCAA does offer exceptions in the case of "under a doctor's care or order". 

Now the story is caffeine. 

Has anyone ever gotten a prescription for ... caffeine? 

And, if it is caffeine why not say it and get the sympathy (and scoffing disbelieve toward the NCAA) from the average person who gets through their day with a vente triple-shot espresso. 

This is where I loop back to ... we don't know until someone with first-hand knowledge of the test results (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) makes an official statement. 

That was the old narrative.  Try to keep up.

[North Dakota]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It wasn’t caffeine.

 

3 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

If it's caffeine I think they just come out and say caffeine.  I don't think anyone cares about caffeine because it's socially acceptable.  My gut tells me, it's not caffeine as you really have to work hard for 500mg in the system post game.

How do we know the testing was done post game? The NCAA can test before, during or after a game. 

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It wasn’t caffeine.

What was it then? And how do you know? 

[The Sicatoka]

The curiosity in this is the following:

If it really was caffeine why not just come out and say it. The average person would be flabbergasted that the NCAA would take away a season for drinking a freshly brewed pot of Folgers*. Robbins and NDSU would more than likely get sympathy and the NCAA would get scorn (and who's not in favor of that). 

Heck, if we tested the student body at any university for caffeine during the last three days of finals week I wonder how many would fail in the eyes of the NCAA. 

But by not coming out and saying "caffeine" it makes me wonder ... is it. 

 

All that said, we don't know until someone who knows (Robbins, NDSU, NCAA) says so. 

 

*I received no compensation for that name drop.  And believe it or not that would get the average person close if not into the NCAA fail category. 

[Mama Sue]

Again, Sicatoka.... you are the man! Right on.