Who would UND hire?

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, Cratter said:

I'm not sure what that means.

I think better coaches are better coaches.

We can get one of the best at the end of the year and almost instantly go upwards!

Just wonder how much we gotta spend!

And I say let's do it.

I think we should go out and get the current SDSU head coach!

I think we can all agree he's probably one of the best in FCS!

ok

[CMSioux]

UND just hosted an open house for the Memorial Village. They shared that all student athletes will benefit from it. Player-parents, recruits and their parents and current players are excited and energized. Parents of current players are sharing that UND is the best-looking campus in the conference with so much new construction, facilities improvements and focus on their kids getting a great education. Meanwhile there are a dozen Debbie Downers on here that are clueless about what others are seeing. Will we lose some to the portal - no question. It's the new reality. But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

[HoopsFan03]

2 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

UND just hosted an open house for the Memorial Village. They shared that all student athletes will benefit from it. Player-parents, recruits and their parents and current players are excited and energized. Parents of current players are sharing that UND is the best-looking campus in the conference with so much new construction, facilities improvements and focus on their kids getting a great education. Meanwhile there are a dozen Debbie Downers on here that are clueless about what others are seeing. Will we lose some to the portal - no question. It's the new reality. But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

Did you get a chance to talk to Bubba at the event?

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We need to get over this aversion to "spending other peoples money" because that is what funds intercollegiate athletics today. Whether we think it's "immoral" or "wrong" or just plain ridiculous is irrelevant. Either we adapt to that reality or we get left behind.

We never should have moved up to D-1 without some idea to properly fund our programs at a level where we could compete. That is the ultimate root of our current problems.

I thought the problem was the head coach. 

I have no aversion to UND using donors money to improve the program including changing coaches. I don’t believe those that donate the money are interested in hearing from those who don’t donate as to how to accomplish the task. That is reality. $1,000,000 to buy out a contract isn’t in the budget. I believe it has to come from outside sources. 

[UND1983]

6 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

UND just hosted an open house for the Memorial Village. They shared that all student athletes will benefit from it. Player-parents, recruits and their parents and current players are excited and energized. Parents of current players are sharing that UND is the best-looking campus in the conference with so much new construction, facilities improvements and focus on their kids getting a great education. Meanwhile there are a dozen Debbie Downers on here that are clueless about what others are seeing. Will we lose some to the portal - no question. It's the new reality. But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

Why do our teams all suck then?  I was told the indoor facility was a "game changer"

[Oxbow6]

In the small picture we are the joke of the other 3 Dakota schools. Until that ends UND FB is basically irrelevant.

[UND08]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Then we disagree on the best approach. Another option is to pay a significant amount toward a buyout.

If our donations drop significantly, and attendance is markedly down, it makes it more difficult to attract recruits and some potential coaches. If support stays strong, our program is more attractive from the outside looking in.  Once donors find other options for donations, a number of them don’t come back. 

People have posted that our sister school to the south fired a coach who was something like 60-11. I understood boosters showed up with checkbooks rather than abandon ship but I wasn’t there, so I may be wrong. 
 

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

They didn’t fire him…all done under the table…and because he’s a good enough coach (hence the 60-11 record) he had options.  But what NDSU tends to do really well is listen to their stakeholders.  

I’m not saying they’re perfect…but again somebody has to sell the vision.  I’m no longer contributing toward the program if Bubba is leading it.  I’m sorry that hurts the feelings of the old guard but that’s not a worthwhile investment to me.  I’ve had 10+ years of track record to make that decision.  If the vision is there…it’s a different story.

[AJS]

One thing we can all agree on, UND’s campus is top tier and in a few short months, their facilities will match. It really is sad, what should be the biggest momentum boost to the football program is being anchored down by Bubba. 
 

Who thinks this will be the worst off-season to the portal yet? Giving the excitement of the new facilities, you’d think it’d be the opposite. It should be the opposite. Loss by loss. Nap by nap. Bubba is burning it to the ground.

[UND-FB-FAN]

25 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

But what UND is building for academics will no doubt build its athletics.  

It will help, but ultimately athletics will get better with better athletes, and athletes I’m afraid don’t only care about academics. You can argue until you’re blue in the face how that makes you upset and it’s not the way it’s supposed to be, but the fact of the matter is the transfer portal and NIL minimizes academic’s role within division 1 athletics. UND needs better coaches and higher expectations with the appropriated funds; that’s what will build athletics. When it’s 4th and goal on the road in the Fargodome, or in Youngstown, Ohio, do you think the shiny quality of the new buildings will make a difference? A few better players with the new facilities,sure, maybe, but they really will come to UND for NIL/$ and a winning culture. Coaches set that standard with not only recruiting but development, motivation and in-game strategy. It is wishful thinking (or perhaps delusional thinking) to think the buildings will solve this on their own. 

[SiouxFan100]

I’m afraid that many of our players will enter the portal with just a few moving to a higher level

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

One thing we can all agree on, UND’s campus is top tier and in a few short months, their facilities will match. It really is sad, what should be the biggest momentum boost to the football program is being anchored down by Bubba. 
 

Who thinks this will be the worst off-season to the portal yet? Giving the excitement of the new facilities, you’d think it’d be the opposite. It should be the opposite. Loss by loss. Nap by nap. Bubba is burning it to the ground.

All very true. So much potential if a high-quality coaching staff was in place to match the high-quality facilities now in place.

[UND-FB-FAN]

27 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I thought the problem was the head coach. 

He and many on his staff are the main problem, yes. Of course there are other problems, no doubt. Always will be. That’s life.

[The Sicatoka]

Can someone give me a quick snapshot take, a clear picture, of what “with cause” would look like in under that contract? 

[shep]

20 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Can someone give me a quick snapshot take, a clear picture, of what “with cause” would look like in under that contract? 

If Chaves wrote it, it requires he runs over the Presidents family pets and is on both the P Diddy List and the Epstein List.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, shep said:

If Chaves wrote it, it requires he runs over the Presidents family pets and is on both the P Diddy List and the Epstein List.

[fightingsioux4life]

2 hours ago, iramurphy said:

I thought the problem was the head coach. 

I have no aversion to UND using donors money to improve the program including changing coaches. I don’t believe those that donate the money are interested in hearing from those who don’t donate as to how to accomplish the task. That is reality. $1,000,000 to buy out a contract isn’t in the budget. I believe it has to come from outside sources. 

I would gladly contribute something to a buyout effort. I am sure others would as well. So spare me the "those who don't donate" crap.

I just pointed out the reality of how all this is funded. Whether you or I like it or not (and I think it is pretty ridiculous) is irrelevant.

[zonadub]

17 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

In the small picture we are the joke of the other 3 Dakota schools. Until that ends UND FB is basically irrelevant.

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, zonadub said:

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

Each that you mention has a stumbling block in their path. 

[AJS]

I want to look at this from a different point of view than I have been. Playing a bit of devil's advocate, what I'm asking is does Chaves have plausible deniability up until this upcoming offseason? It was a very unpopular extension, but simplifying of course, his case to Armacost or any booster would be, we were coming off two straight playoff appearances and Bubba feels they can take the next step by fixing X & Y. @Cratter did a good job explaining that point of view last night.

Now, the red flags started instantly after the extension. Losing two long term Asst. Coaches to "like" schools. Key pieces entering the portal after spring ball. We've all witnessed what's transpired this year. Which brings us up until this point. I don't believe there's anyone who believes in the trajectory of this program anymore. If Bubba is not bought out, Chaves is knowingly heading to the worst off-season this program has seen as far the transfer portal. He knows Bubba will burn this program to the ground and he's letting him. There's no spin, no plausible deniability for Chaves anymore. He's the only person that can stop it. 

[zonadub]

13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Each that you mention has a stumbling block in their path. 

Yep. The biggest stumbling block is a lack of an invitation. Agreed.

[Big Green]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

I want to look at this from a different point of view than I have been. Playing a bit of devil's advocate, what I'm asking is does Chaves have plausible deniability up until this upcoming offseason? It was a very unpopular extension, but simplifying of course, his case to Armacost or any booster would be, we were coming off two straight playoff appearances and Bubba feels they can take the next step by fixing X & Y. @Cratter did a good job explaining that point of view last night.

Now, the red flags started instantly after the extension. Losing two long term Asst. Coaches to "like" schools. Key pieces entering the portal after spring ball. We've all witnessed what's transpired this year. Which brings us up until this point. I don't believe there's anyone who believes in the trajectory of this program anymore. If Bubba is not bought out, Chaves is knowingly heading to the worst off-season this program has seen as far the transfer portal. He knows Bubba will burn this program to the ground and he's letting him. There's no spin, no plausible deniability for Chaves anymore. He's the only person that can stop it. 

I believe he had 2 years left on his contact so I believe the extension should have waited 1 more year.    I could have bought the extension if there was one year left and wanted to give him a chance to recruit with new facilities in place.  I would still have disagreed with the extension, however I could have seen the reasoning.

 

[wheelsup]

20 minutes ago, AJS said:

I want to look at this from a different point of view than I have been. Playing a bit of devil's advocate, what I'm asking is does Chaves have plausible deniability up until this upcoming offseason? It was a very unpopular extension, but simplifying of course, his case to Armacost or any booster would be, we were coming off two straight playoff appearances and Bubba feels they can take the next step by fixing X & Y. @Cratter did a good job explaining that point of view last night.

Now, the red flags started instantly after the extension. Losing two long term Asst. Coaches to "like" schools. Key pieces entering the portal after spring ball. We've all witnessed what's transpired this year. Which brings us up until this point. I don't believe there's anyone who believes in the trajectory of this program anymore. If Bubba is not bought out, Chaves is knowingly heading to the worst off-season this program has seen as far the transfer portal. He knows Bubba will burn this program to the ground and he's letting him. There's no spin, no plausible deniability for Chaves anymore. He's the only person that can stop it. 

I believe the red flags u mentioned all happened before the extension. 

the assistant coaches left in Dec/jan.. I think most of the portal guys left earlier.. 

bubba was extended in March.. 

[jdub27]

45 minutes ago, zonadub said:

If NDSU and/or SDSU (and even USD) along with the Montanas and maybe Idaho moved to FBS, all indications are that UND cannot afford to make the move with them if the AD can’t come up with $1MM buyout. Doesn’t show that a $5MM move up fee would be possible.

 

disclaimer… doubt NDSU will get an invitation, but UND is not prepared to be ready if they do.

Coming up with buyout money is different than money to upgrade your standing within the athletic world.
I don't think the $5MM would be the hurdle if there was an FBS invite. I think all the schools you mentioned would be able to figure that out. It is the sustained cost of upgrading the budget by a decent amount that would be the hurdle for any of the schools you mentioned. Some have publicly stated as much.

[UND1983]

SDSU does not have more money than UND.  Anyone notice the “SDSU to FBS” talk never comes out of SD?  

[AJS]

27 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

I believe the red flags u mentioned all happened before the extension. 

the assistant coaches left in Dec/jan.. I think most of the portal guys left earlier.. 

bubba was extended in March.. 

From my recollection, Bubba was officially extended in March, but the rumor was Danny left, because he found out the plan was for Bubba to be extended.  The post right after Danny left and the reason is seared into my memory. Is there plausible deniability? Yes. Do I believe the post and not the quote Bubba said, yes. The portal exits that I would count as red flag would be any starter after spring ball, those happened in April.