Who would UND hire?

[UND1983]

Just now, Cratter said:

So many people don't know how many FCS playoff wins Bubba has.

How am I suppose to respect their opinion?

Let’s be real, nobody counted that spring season except Sam Houston and Bubba supporters.

This stinks.  So much time spent in angst. Wish it had just been taken care of last winter naturally.

[Cratter]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

If wins and losses are 100% irrelevant, we are officially running this program like a high school program.

100% of people would agree with you on this statement. 

[SiouxFan100]

3 minutes ago, GDPritch said:

 

Here’s something that doesn’t ring hollow.  UND’s 3 women’s team sports of volleyball, softball and soccer record-wise for the last 4 complete seasons in conference play only have a total combined overall winning percentage (I threw out the 10 soccer ties) of just 27% with a total record of 47 W - 124 L.  That is just ridiculous.  If you throw in the 4th women’s team sport basketball it rises slightly to 31% overall with total record of 74W - 165 L.  I can bet you the other 3 Dakota schools come nowhere near approaching that level of mediocrity.  

This

Doesn’t seem like a commitment to women’s sports at UND.

especially when there is success at the su’s

[Hawkster]

14 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Do folks think Bubba will be forced out in a week or so? Seems doubtful based on history 

Nope.  Bubba gets one more season.

[Hawkster]

27 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Lol.

No, they will have to buy out his remaining contract....a "golden parachute" if you will.

Just like they did with Mussman. 

Guess how many years Mussman had left on his contract?

2.

None of this process is new. We've been playing this same process out since the inception of SiouxSports. We can all go back and look at history of posts on this site and see exactly what the future will look like.

I thought Mussman only had one year left when he was let go.   Now I sure could be wrong and probably am, just wondering if it really was two years left.

[gfhockey]

I think one of the bigger und football boosters is in legal trouble too but could be wrong idk

[UND08]

The last two pages of this discussion shows me why UND will seemingly NEVER get to the upper echelon!  NDSU fans and boosters ran a coach out of town who had a 60-11 record and two titles because they didn’t like the trajectory the program was on.

And now they’re cruising…

Meanwhile we extend Bubba multiple times with much more mediocre results and to some it’s “water under the bridge”…

This is D1 folks…wake me up when we want to look the part!

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

I thought Mussman only had one year left when he was let go.   Now I sure could be wrong and probably am, just wondering if it really was two years left.

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Mussman has two years remaining on his contract. He will receive his full salary in 2014 and 50 percent of his salary in 2015, providing he does not take another coaching position.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/und-fires-head-football-coach-chris-mussman

So if Bubba is let go after next season: another 2 year buyout. 

[UND1983]

5 minutes ago, UND08 said:

The last two pages of this discussion shows me why UND will seemingly NEVER get to the upper echelon!  NDSU fans and boosters ran a coach out of town who had a 60-11 record and two titles because they didn’t like the trajectory the program was on.

And now they’re cruising…

Meanwhile we extend Bubba multiple times with much more mediocre results and to some it’s “water under the bridge”…

This is D1 folks…wake me up when we want to look the part!

Hard to argue that

[wheelsup]

This discussion is bordering on rediculous.. remember.. the additional two year extension was after….

1) another terrible defensive performance leading to a loss of a home playoff game. 
2) arguably your best two coaches leaving for lateral moves at best 

3) a home town kid/und football player/und football family stopping through town for 5 mins on his way to a lateral position at your instate rival..

seems like any of those three above situations would be a.. hey let’s pump the brakes on an extension and see how this year works out.  I mean he still had two years on his contract.. it wasn’t like they were going to throw him out in the street.. 

and agree 100% with und08.. ndsu ran entz out of town after he had a season we can only dream about.. the difference in expectations is substantial.. I’m old enough to remember when we were relevant and I miss it. 

[Hawkster]

32 minutes ago, UND08 said:

The last two pages of this discussion shows me why UND will seemingly NEVER get to the upper echelon!  NDSU fans and boosters ran a coach out of town who had a 60-11 record and two titles because they didn’t like the trajectory the program was on.

And now they’re cruising…

Meanwhile we extend Bubba multiple times with much more mediocre results and to some it’s “water under the bridge”…

This is D1 folks…wake me up when we want to look the part!

And it didn't cost NDSU a cent to get rid of the coach.   He got a better paying job elsewhere.   This is what's so frustrating.

[iramurphy]

6 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I disagree; it’s the only option when discussion and communication is blatantly ignored time and time again.
 

The expectations just aren’t there for UND football apparently.  I do agree folks should focus on “raising their family or helping their kids in college etc.” but concurrently they probably should not be attending/donating to UND athletics if the University leaders are only going to gaslight them and spend their donated dollars irresponsibly and without merit.

Then we disagree on the best approach. Another option is to pay a significant amount toward a buyout.

If our donations drop significantly, and attendance is markedly down, it makes it more difficult to attract recruits and some potential coaches. If support stays strong, our program is more attractive from the outside looking in.  Once donors find other options for donations, a number of them don’t come back. 

People have posted that our sister school to the south fired a coach who was something like 60-11. I understood boosters showed up with checkbooks rather than abandon ship but I wasn’t there, so I may be wrong. 
 

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

[Hawkster]

31 minutes ago, Cratter said:

https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/und-fires-head-football-coach-chris-mussman

So if Bubba is let go after next season: another 2 year buyout. 

You were right, Muss had two years left.  But still only cost $175,000

[iramurphy]

Just now, Hawkster said:

You were right, Muss had two years left.  But still only cost $175,000

That could probably be raised in a week or less. 

[SiouxFan100]

How many of our coaches have voluntarily left for a  higher level job in any sport? Hakstol? and  Going back fifteen years

[UND-FB-FAN]

11 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Then we disagree on the best approach. Another option is to pay a significant amount toward a buyout.

If our donations drop significantly, and attendance is markedly down, it makes it more difficult to attract recruits and some potential coaches. If support stays strong, our program is more attractive from the outside looking in.  Once donors find other options for donations, a number of them don’t come back. 

People have posted that our sister school to the south fired a coach who was something like 60-11. I understood boosters showed up with checkbooks rather than abandon ship but I wasn’t there, so I may be wrong. 
 

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

Why was there an extension issued to a coach who has won only 1 playoff game in 10 seasons? That is the issue with the buyout cost and “money talks” argument - the situation was intentionally put into place so there would be this current excuse of ongoing mediocrity and inaction. It’s not fooling anyone, but I appreciate you being a spokesperson for the lack of accountability, but it’s not fooling many. Borderline corruption (if not overt) within the athletic department…

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Money talks, especially if it’s someone else’s money. With this problem, is obvious more is said than done. 

We need to get over this aversion to "spending other peoples money" because that is what funds intercollegiate athletics today. Whether we think it's "immoral" or "wrong" or just plain ridiculous is irrelevant. Either we adapt to that reality or we get left behind.

We never should have moved up to D-1 without some idea to properly fund our programs at a level where we could compete. That is the ultimate root of our current problems.

[AJS]

In a way this feels a bit surreal. Everyone outside of Chaves and Bubba had the script written after this last extension. Unless stopped, Bubba will burn this program to the ground. This upcoming offseason will be 2x worse than last. Next year worse than this year. It’s so crazy that Chaves is going to let this happen. 

[F'n Hawks]

Will be interested to see who enters the portal after once it opens. Could be worse than last year

[fightingsioux4life]

8 minutes ago, AJS said:

In a way this feels a bit surreal. Everyone outside of Chaves and Bubba had the script written after this last extension. Unless stopped, Bubba will burn this program to the ground. This upcoming offseason will be 2x worse than last. Next year worse than this year. It’s so crazy that Chaves is going to let this happen. 

A buyout will be cheaper a year from now. Whether that will make any difference is unknown.

[Cratter]

51 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

You were right, Muss had two years left.  But still only cost $175,000

How much would it cost to pull a former NDSU head coach to coach UND?

We can instantly go to the top with enough $$$$!!!

Or maybe we can offer SDSU's current head coach 3x what he makes now?!

[UND1983]

10 minutes ago, Cratter said:

How much would it cost to pull a former NDSU head coach to coach UND?

We can instantly go to the top with enough $$$$!!!

Or maybe we can offer SDSU's current head coach 3x what he makes now?!

Are you implying that a 'perceived' better coach is not worth it?  

[AJS]

21 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Will be interested to see who enters the portal after once it opens. Could be worse than last year

I’m guessing it’ll be considerably worse. Which isn’t a surprise since it’s apparent to everyone that this program is heading off a cliff. How frustrating it’ll be for 360 and Tom Miller who will write how it’s part of being in the FCS. Clearly ignoring how the other Dakota / Montana schools will only lose a few key players. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, AJS said:

I’m guessing it’ll be considerably worse. Which isn’t a surprise since it’s apparent to everyone that this program is heading off a cliff. How frustrating it’ll be for 360 and Tom Miller who will write how it’s part of being in the FCS. Clearly ignoring how the other Dakota / Montana schools will only lose a few key players. 

The 360 guys are way more objective than Tom Miller or anyone else at the Heraldo.

[Cratter]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Are you implying that a 'perceived' better coach is not worth it?  

I'm not sure what that means.

I think better coaches are better coaches.

We can get one of the best at the end of the year and almost instantly go upwards!

Just wonder how much we gotta spend!

And I say let's do it.

I think we should go out and get the current SDSU head coach!

I think we can all agree he's probably one of the best in FCS!