Kennedy vs. Engelstad Foundation: GF herald feature

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

5 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

You would think a certain potential heavy hitter would be able to help out, but wonder if a recent decision the university made is giving his pause....

I surely hope not, this Phase II drive is going to be a challenge.

[Oxbow6]

New FB facilities will assure a plethora of 3 star recruits.

Bring on the National Championship!

[tnt]

7 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Go into Memorial Stadium sometime.  It will take 10 mins.  Then get back to us with your thoughts.  

This is strictly a facilities conversation.   Yes, we know Rudy can coach much, much better.  Bubba needs to do much more with his handling of the game plans and overseeing his team.  There are issues other than facilities, we all know 

It wouldn't take a Ralph Engelstad to take care of that for them.  Once again, where are the football Alumni that could build a new stadium, much less the Phase 2 improvements?   Apparently they are fine with the status quo.  

[Oxbow6]

Saturday's steaming turd pile in the Al had nothing to do facilities.......as has every other game similar in the Bubba era.

[Siouxphan27]

8 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

New FB facilities will assure a plethora of 3 star recruits.

Bring on the National Championship!

Don’t forget to mention new facilities will boost Rudy’s IQ by 80 points. 

[nodak651]

Just now, Siouxphan27 said:

Don’t forget to mention new facilities will boost Rudy’s IQ by 80 points. 

If only Bubba had enough money to recruit a better offensive coordinator than a losing coach at D2 Minot State.

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The new screens will help insure that fans have a wonderful experience.  The Alerus and Betty have done similar things.  Getting fans to pay for ticket is one of the most prudent opportunities.  

New screens at REA will pay for themselves over the years....without anyone noticing.

[Siouxphan27]

3 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

If only Bubba had enough money to recruit a better offensive coordinator than a losing coach at D2 Minot State.

Lots of up and comers out there with IQ’s above 60 who would jump at the chance without expecting a huge payday. 

[UND1983]

24 minutes ago, tnt said:

It wouldn't take a Ralph Engelstad to take care of that for them.  Once again, where are the football Alumni that could build a new stadium, much less the Phase 2 improvements?   Apparently they are fine with the status quo.  

That is ONE guy that stepped up for the hockey program and gave over 100 million.  Sorry, UND has mined that one guy for football yet.  They just have a bunch that only came up with 10 million for the IPF. 

[Cratter]

28 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

New FB facilities will assure a plethora of 3 star recruits.

Bring on the National Championship!

If you need proof that new facilities will immediately bring in a ton load more national championships....look no further than the new Ralph.....

[jdub27]

40 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

New FB facilities will assure a plethora of 3 star recruits.

Bring on the National Championship!

So if new (or at least non-condemnable) facilities aren't so integral in bringing in top end recruits, please explain the multiple locker room renovations that have occurred at the REA since it was opened 17 years ago. But somehow facilities have no bearing on anything.... 

 

39 minutes ago, tnt said:

It wouldn't take a Ralph Engelstad to take care of that for them.  Once again, where are the football Alumni that could build a new stadium, much less the Phase 2 improvements?   Apparently they are fine with the status quo.  

Pull the once-in-a-multi-generational donor out of the equation and I would think that football alumni have given much more back to their program than UND hockey alumni have. Continuing to include Ralph's donation when comparing to other sports (or  pretty much any other athletic department out there) isn't valid argument. It's the equivalence of hitting the lottery and then looking down people because they don't have the means you do.......

....and then taking 52% of their revenue on top of it.....

UND and the hockey program got an incredible gift and everyone is thankful for it. However disagreeing about how the extra revenues it generates is fair game, particularly as the rest of campus sees massive budget cuts. No one is suggesting slashing the hockey program's budget but commentary on how the REA isn't out of line.

[UND1983]

The irony of this is interesting.  Hockey won't even consider going more than five years without renovating their locker rooms and chef's quarters.  But football people are trying to bring to light how dilapidated their 80 year old facilties are, to the point I believe it will be condemned soon, and they are made fun of.  Interesting.  

[tnt]

4 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So if new (or at least non-condemnable) facilities aren't so integral in bringing in top end recruits, please explain the multiple locker room renovations that have occurred at the REA since it was opened 17 years ago.

 

Pull the once-in-a-lifetime donor out of the equation and I would think that football alumni have given much more back to their program than UND hockey alumni have.

It certainly shows!

[jdub27]

8 minutes ago, tnt said:

It shows!

How much of a game changer the donation that Ralph made actually was?  Yes, it does.

[tnt]

3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

How much of a game changer the donation that Ralph made actually was?  Yes, it does.

Guess you're going to have to deal with it, which apparently you can't.

[Cratter]

Lots of those REA renovations were done with private donations. 

Every dollar spent now saves the university a dollar later.

[tnt]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

Lots of those REA renovations were done with private donations. 

Apparently football alumni don't understand that concept.

[UND1983]

5 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Lots of those REA renovations were done with private donations. 

Every dollar spent now saves the university a dollar later.

You realize the REA itself is a private donation, right?  They can simply say "private donations" were used for this project.  

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

The notion that UND can't compete in football and other sports because they are underfunded is ludicrous.  It is all about culture, and the people continually railing on the hockey program  because of jealousies are only enabling the excuses that they can't compete because of funding.  The last I heard most of the Big Sky didn't offer FCOA, so UND should have an advantage there.  Women's volleyball isn't all of a sudden good because they received all the more funding, it is because they have coaches that changed the culture of losing and excuses. 

To argue that the hockey program hasn’t been taken to a new level after 2001 would be pure unadulterated bull$%!#. There is a direct correlation, I would argue causation, between program budget and facilities and success.

[Cratter]

11 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You realize the REA itself is a private donation, right?  They can simply say "private donations" were used for this project.  

I'm saying people like Jonathan Toews gave money for that specific purpose.

[Siouxphan27]

33 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

The irony of this is interesting.  Hockey won't even consider going more than five years without renovating their locker rooms and chef's quarters.  But football people are trying to bring to light how dilapidated their 80 year old facilties are, to the point I believe it will be condemned soon, and they are made fun of.  Interesting.  

Speaking for only myself it’s more of a frustration with current football staff than a failure to acknowledge the irony you’re alluding to.   HPC phase 2 will be a huge asset for football once completed. 

[tnt]

4 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

To argue that the hockey program hasn’t been taken to a new level after 2001 would be pure unadulterated bull$%!#. There is a direct correlation, I would argue causation, between program budget and facilities and success.

A new level, yes, but they had the culture from before.  Seems to me they won 7 national championships before the new Ralph.   

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Speaking for only myself it’s more of a frustration with current football staff than a failure to acknowledge the irony you’re alluding to.   HPC phase 2 will be a huge asset for football once completed. 

Right on, I gotcha.  There is a frustration level right now for sure.

[geaux_sioux]

1 minute ago, tnt said:

A new level, yes, but they had the culture from before.  Seems to me they won 7 national championships before the new Ralph.   

For some reason when NDSU moved up to D1 they understood that they needed all new offices and locker rooms and other internal football facilities. The football team has only upgraded the lockers in the locker room since the move up. They need a larger coach salary pool and new facilities desperately. It’s not a good look when recruits visit both school in the same weekend and our coaches have to be creative to hide the warts while down south they get to beat their chest about everything. To think that doesn’t affect culture and the type of player we can get on average would be naive.

[UNDBIZ]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

The last I heard most of the Big Sky didn't offer FCOA, so UND should have an advantage there.  Women's volleyball isn't all of a sudden good because they received all the more funding, it is because they have coaches that changed the culture of losing and excuses. 

1. UND football doesn't recruit against Big Sky teams.  UND recruits against MVFC teams, most if not all of whom offer FCOA and pay their coaches more.

2. Volleyball is well-funded and has very nice facilities relative to our conference opponents.

But yes, culture certainly matters most.