Early departures 2017

[SiouxFanatic]

3 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Can we ban gfhockey until he finally sobers up from yesterday? Berry will never deserve being fired from UND 

Berry only has one natty in 2 years! What more of a justification do you need!! 

[Oxbow6]

21 minutes ago, SiouxFanatic said:

Berry only has one natty in 2 years! What more of a justification do you need!! 

If we would have been the F-n Hawks 10 years ago Hak would have at least 5 Natty's.

[geaux_sioux]

9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

If we would have been the F-n Hawks 10 years ago Hak would have at least 5 Natty's.

Sioux Fornever!

[Ice Arena Man]

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

What's Berry paid to do?

 

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Berry gets at least two more years to prove him self or he may be an early departure

 

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Paid to have one and dones?

gfhockey were you the INTOXICATED Sioux fan being escorted by security and police down the hall at the Scheels Center? You must be pretty hungover for posting the above statements!

 

[gfhockey]

Hook

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[gfhockey]

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[yzerman19]

So every member of the CBS line has scored an NHL goal this year...

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

I remember the recruiting reports of Boeser and how we all hoped he would come here, many great stories there. We were fortunate he singed with ND. Now he's with Vancouver. That was a great 2 years, Thank You Brock, wish you the best!

[scpa0305]

Keller signed 

[yzerman19]

9 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:

Keller signed 

As bad as the yotes were, he has a good chance of playing in the NHL right away- although his deal will slide based on age if he doesn't make it

[UNDMOORHEAD]

6 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

As bad as the yotes were, he has a good chance of playing in the NHL right away- although his deal will slide based on age if he doesn't make it

Won't he still burn a year playing in the AHL. That 10 game deal is for players that get sent back to the CHL because they're not eligible for the AHL due the the NHL/CHL agreement.

[yzerman19]

Just now, UNDMOORHEAD said:

Won't he still burn a year playing in the AHL. That 10 game deal is for players that get sent back to the CHL because they're not eligible for the AHL due the the NHL/CHL agreement.

What is an Entry Level Slide?

If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player.

 

I read this as AHL games don't count toward NHL free agency on a rookie deal.

[UNDMOORHEAD]

1 minute ago, yzerman19 said:

What is an Entry Level Slide?

If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player.

 

I read this as AHL games don't count toward NHL free agency on a rookie deal.

I maybe wrong, but I didn't think college players were subject to that because they can play in the AHL. Players in that age group that come from the CHL cannot play in the AHL and are returned to their CHL teams if they're not kept on the NHL roster. Because Keller played college he can play in the AHL thus negating that contract slide. Not sure about this or how to verify, but that was the way I understood it. The 10 games is if a CHL player plays 10 games or more and then is returned to his CHL team he still burns a year of his contract.

[UNDMOORHEAD]

9 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

What is an Entry Level Slide?

If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player.

 

I read this as AHL games don't count toward NHL free agency on a rookie deal.

Entry-level contracts: Again per the NHL CBA, young players who are drafted generally enter the league on a 3-year entry level contract. This contract is pretty much standard and formula-driven based on draft slot with virtually no room for negotiation. These contracts are bargains for the team. There are some bonuses that can escalate things somewhat, but the basic deal is a very modest sub $1M salary with a modest signing bonus. So even Connor McDavid is locked in at a modest base salary of $925,000 per year for three years before he gets the chance to negotiate something closer to what he is worth. An interesting feature in these entry-level contracts is that they can slide forward up to two years if a player does not play professionally. For Canadian junior players, it is possible to slide the first year of the contract forward if a player signs but then goes back to Canadian junior hockey instead of playing (more than 9 games) professionally. US college players do not actually sign contracts (they cannot or they would be professional and lose ability to play in the NCAA), but their contract sort of does the same thing when they stay in college, do not sign at all and then later sign for the same 3 years. So by signing and playing in either the AHL or NHL this season, Noah Hanifin will use up the 1st of 3 bargain years on his entry level deal. His contract could slide if he plays only 9 games in the NHL, but for Hanifin specifically that seems unlikely with the ability to freely float between the AHL and NHL.) Had Hanifin instead decided to play another year at Boston College, he would not have signed his 3-year entry level contract and would still have the full 3 years to go on it when he signed it next summer (or later). Canadian junior players like Haydn Fleury can sign their entry-level contract but they only use the 1st year of it if they play at least 10 games (NHL or AHL). So in the case of Fleury, if he does a 9-game trial at the NHL level this October and then goes back to juniors for the rest of the season, the Hurricanes will still have all 3 years of his inexpensive entry level deal left. If instead he plays 10 or more games in the NHL, he will have used up the 1st year of his 3-year entry level deal even he is later returned to juniors. Though there are differences for if a contract is signed, the effect is similar in that years of the entry level deal are only used if a player plays 10 or more games in the NHL.

[yzerman19]

13 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said:

Entry-level contracts: Again per the NHL CBA, young players who are drafted generally enter the league on a 3-year entry level contract. This contract is pretty much standard and formula-driven based on draft slot with virtually no room for negotiation. These contracts are bargains for the team. There are some bonuses that can escalate things somewhat, but the basic deal is a very modest sub $1M salary with a modest signing bonus. So even Connor McDavid is locked in at a modest base salary of $925,000 per year for three years before he gets the chance to negotiate something closer to what he is worth. An interesting feature in these entry-level contracts is that they can slide forward up to two years if a player does not play professionally. For Canadian junior players, it is possible to slide the first year of the contract forward if a player signs but then goes back to Canadian junior hockey instead of playing (more than 9 games) professionally. US college players do not actually sign contracts (they cannot or they would be professional and lose ability to play in the NCAA), but their contract sort of does the same thing when they stay in college, do not sign at all and then later sign for the same 3 years. So by signing and playing in either the AHL or NHL this season, Noah Hanifin will use up the 1st of 3 bargain years on his entry level deal. His contract could slide if he plays only 9 games in the NHL, but for Hanifin specifically that seems unlikely with the ability to freely float between the AHL and NHL.) Had Hanifin instead decided to play another year at Boston College, he would not have signed his 3-year entry level contract and would still have the full 3 years to go on it when he signed it next summer (or later). Canadian junior players like Haydn Fleury can sign their entry-level contract but they only use the 1st year of it if they play at least 10 games (NHL or AHL). So in the case of Fleury, if he does a 9-game trial at the NHL level this October and then goes back to juniors for the rest of the season, the Hurricanes will still have all 3 years of his inexpensive entry level deal left. If instead he plays 10 or more games in the NHL, he will have used up the 1st year of his 3-year entry level deal even he is later returned to juniors. Though there are differences for if a contract is signed, the effect is similar in that years of the entry level deal are only used if a player plays 10 or more games in the NHL.

I read this as AHL doesn't count.  The point is moot for CHLers, because they can't play in the AHL if they are CHL eligible.  I don't think AHL contracts count vs NHL free agency- but I could be wrong.  

In the free agency rules, all measures of "FA groups"are based on NHL games...

[UNDMOORHEAD]

1 minute ago, yzerman19 said:

I read this as AHL doesn't count.  The point is moot for CHLers, because they can't play in the AHL if they are CHL eligible.  I don't think AHL contracts count vs NHL free agency- but I could be wrong.  

In the free agency rules, all measures of "FA groups"are based on NHL games...

It's confusing, that's why I'm unsure. But you would be playing in the AHL on your two-way contract which I believe would burn a year, but I don't know for sure.

[sprig]

Thought I read brock's first year will be burned,  but he couldn't be sent to the ahl for the playoffs.  Are there even 10 games left for the Canucks?  Confused

[yzerman19]

1 minute ago, sprig said:

Thought I read brock's first year will be burned,  but he couldn't be sent to the ahl for the playoffs.  Are there even 10 games left for the Canucks?  Confused

Brock is older than Tyson, that is why he will burn a year and Tyson would not.

[sprig]

Thought it may be age. , just wasn't sure

Part of the Vancouver Sun article

"To get to this point, the Canucks had to sign Boeser in the morning to an NHL contract, which instantly “burned” the first of his three-year entry-level deal. This, by the way, is what the Canucks wanted to happen, and not something Boeser had to negotiate to get."

Edited March 26, 2017 by sprig

[yzerman19]

Agree this is confusing.  Too many variables in play...age of signing...AHL vs NHL games.  I have thoroughly confused myself

[hky]

Is it negotiable?  Can an organization say to the prospect, sign now and we'll burn the first year?

[yzerman19]

5 minutes ago, hky said:

Is it negotiable?  Can an organization say to the prospect, sign now and we'll burn the first year?

I don't believe so...rookie deals and free agency are governed strictly by the CBA

[scpa0305]

Pogo likely to sign, I believe this was expected. He'll play a couple years in the A before he gets his chance.

[scpa0305]

Who's letting these kids take so much summer school?