GDT: North Dakota v. Richmond

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

We thought we'd start out 2016 with an edge due to the previous years playoff snub and the #LeaveNoDoubt mantra.....but we came out of the gate pretty poorly.  I sure hope it's a much better start next year.

No room for that next year.  The psychology of this game ending plus the 2017 schedule won't leave room for slow starts.

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

No room for that next year.  The psychology of this game ending plus the 2017 schedule won't leave room for slow starts.

2017 team needs to develop a killer instinct that allows them to run away from teams on the scoreboard. No more "squeaking a game out" when the opposing team is far inferior. Same goes for slow starts. A win is a win but if you constantly breed "nip and tuck" games they will eventually bite you in the a**. Fortunately, UND started off fast vs Richmond but they didn't get that 4th touchdown that probably would've sealed the win, despite a tremendous opportunity to do so. 

[Sioux94]

9 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

2017 team needs to develop a killer instinct that allows them to run away from teams on the scoreboard. No more "squeaking a game out" when the opposing team is far inferior. Same goes for slow starts. A win is a win but if you constantly breed "nip and tuck" games they will eventually bite you in the a**. Fortunately, UND started off fast vs Richmond but they didn't get that 4th touchdown that probably would've sealed the win, despite a tremendous opportunity to do so. 

Totally agree with you there, mentality next year needs to be that we need to dominate any team that is average or below average and win by 3 scores. 

[Longtime fan]

Three years of Rudolph called offense is three years too many.   

[RD17]

I have been as critical as anyone of Bubba and staff, but I won't do so in this instance. Some things could have been done differently on Saturday for sure, but all in all these guys did a tremendous job all year of masking deficiencies, overcoming some key injuries and making in game adjustments. What I saw on Saturday was this:

- True freshman receiver drops a couple of balls he should have caught. 

- True freshman tight end run a route a half yard short of the first down.

- A true freshman DB who started the season as a backup getting picked on.

- A freshman defensive lineman getting a little overzealous and committing the huge roughing the punter penalty.

- A freshman right tackle who is about 25 pounds underweight battling his a** off out there despite being a physical mismatch.

In no way am I blaming the loss on the play of these freshmen. Many of them played way beyond expectations all year long. I only point this out as way to show just how young this team is. A few kids that were in high school eight months ago were called upon to make big plays in a high stakes college football game and they came up a little short.

This was a painful experience for the team just as not making it last year was. But I think this will increase the resolve going forward and with the leadership of Bubba and staff special things are on the way in the next few years. In fact, I think UND wins the 2017 FCS National Championship.

[Irish]

2 hours ago, BobIwabuchiFan said:

My take on the game is pretty simple...

We pretty much owned the line on offense and could have dictated the entire game with just straightforward running by Olivera or Norberg.  We go up by 17 points at the start of the third quarter and the OC decides to add more passing to the play calling and we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by not taking advantage of our line advantage on the run and the rest starts to melt down from there.  I put a lot on the coaches shoulders as they know none of the players have playoff experience at this level and they needed to be those communicators and leaders on the sideline for the team...Making sure the players are ready and making sure they know what the team needs in a specific situation.  Interestingly, Richmond in my mind was not the better team all around and you saw it on the run plays for the Sioux.  Rather, the better team didn't execute the plan that has won them game after game this year and that's Run the Goddamn Ball to set up the passing plays!!!  It was so extremely frustrating watching us try to use trick plays when the Moose could have been running for 3-5 yds at each attempt.  I'm still trying to come to grips with the OC play calling when you have ~9 mins left in the third and you are actually trying to make long passes beyond 15 yds...every time its incomplete, the clock stops and you breath life into Richmond.

It's all spilled milk know, but hopefully we learn a ton from this disappointing game...

 

I'm still burning over this one - no matter how you slice it, when you do this in a playoff game at any level it is a massive choke.  Sorry to say this on this forum but it is true.  Look, Bubba has done a spectacular job building this program - far exceeded expectations so far.  However, program building and game coaching are two different things.  That's why Nick Sabin brought in Lane Kiffin to coach the Alabama offense.  In my opinion, this defeat is squarely on the coaches.  Among the problems - we lost a game earlier this year to a blocked punt - there is absolutely no way anyone should go through untouched in a playoff game.  Running into the punter - the idiot who did that should have much more game and situation awareness - this should have been emphasized on the sidelines (hell, if we had put the ball boy in for him on this play we would have won the game).  Defensive coverage - isn't there anyone on the sideline who can count the number of receivers split to one side and make sure we have enough guys to cover - I haven't seen this happen since the Sioux Falls Game.  And finally (and most frustrating to me) - we have an O coordinator whose reputation is to try pound the ball no matter how many in the box we are against - he seemed very happy to go 2nd and 9, 3rd and 7 series after series.  Now we are successful pounding the ball and need to run some time off and he double reverses and chucks the pigskin?????????

[shep]

One complaint in this thread about the play calling was that we passed the ball with 9 minutes left when we should have run the ball; now it's we run the ball too much.

Look, it's easy for a scapegoat here and he's been it. RD17 says it best.

[planet2county]

Think about if you would say it to the subject's face. Players, friends, families, media, and staff do read the forum.

Some posters need to get a grip.  There are no guaranteed outcomes.  UND could have fumbled on the next play after the punt.

Richmond missed some plays in the first half that could have changed the game at that moment in time. 

I am sure future recruits can't wait to get blasted on this forum.

Put in your resumes for coaching jobs.  Take up a referees whistle.  Apply for the AD job.

 

 

 

 

[PATRIOT]

That one stung...sorry!

Give Richmond credit their Playoff experience showed.

Positive UND spin: we now have a lot of youth with valuable Playoff experience to carry forward!

 

[old school]

Something else to think about.  What do you think new recruits or parents of new recruits think when they read some of these posts.  I understand this one stings but trashing coaches and players does nobody any good.  Just my own thoughts

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, planet2county said:

There are no guaranteed outcomes.  UND could have fumbled on the next play after the punt.

Mentioning that ... UND got a bad spot and had to punt. UR fumbled the punt. Stuff happens. 

[The Sicatoka]

I'm with RD17 (a couple posts back).

This is another step in the process to not only building a team, but a perennially successful program. 

[Irish]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

I'm with RD17 (a couple posts back).

This is another step in the process to not only building a team, but a perennially successful program. 

I know you are trying to put a positive spin on things, but I'm not sure how crapping away a home playoff game represents a positive step towards anything.

[The Sicatoka]

If you allow it to be nothing but negative, that's all it'll be. 

There is something positive to be gained or learned from every experience, no matter how painful. 

[shep]

2 hours ago, old school said:

Something else to think about.  What do you think new recruits or parents of new recruits think when they read some of these posts.  I understand this one stings but trashing coaches and players does nobody any good.  Just my own thoughts

I think the vast majority of posters here are positive and a majority of the posts are as well. Occasionally emotion seeps in as all of us want to see UND football be successful and we get ticked when something like last Saturday happens. Then again, find a fan base that doesn't want that.

[UNDMOORHEAD]

44 minutes ago, Irish said:

I know you are trying to put a positive spin on things, but I'm not sure how crapping away a home playoff game represents a positive step towards anything.

If the players and coaches learn and grow from the experience that's a positive. I think the way last year went helped this years team and hopefully the way this season ended helps next years.

[Sioux94]

2 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said:

If the players and coaches learn and grow from the experience that's a positive. I think the way last year went helped this years team and hopefully the way this season ended helps next years.

I agree that they can learn from this loss and experience.  However I also think they could have learned a lot by playing on the road in the playoffs against the #2 team this weekend.

[UNDMOORHEAD]

24 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

I agree that they can learn from this loss and experience.  However I also think they could have learned a lot by playing on the road in the playoffs against the #2 team this weekend.

Yeah, of course. I would of loved it if that were the case. I was only able to watch the first half of the game before going to work. I was certain that was going to happen when I left the house. It's how you deal with adversity both long and short term that keeps the good programs in all sports on top. Although I was disappointed with the outcome, in order to stay positive I look at how far we've come under Bubba and hope the way this season ended is something we look back on as one of the steps our program took on the way to becoming great.

[planet2county]

I was at the 2001 D2 Women's Basketball Championship game when UND lost in OT.  While I felt bad for the players and staff, I did not feel cheated then and I do not feel cheated now with the football team. 

I have learned to appreciate the journey and understand how difficult it is to attain a championship.

I have watched a lot of great teams that have not won a championship.  I do not hold them in a lesser regard than teams that have.

If it was easy, everyone would have a trophy.

For those to young, look into the 1997 Women's Basketball Regional championship comeback  and let me know if the opposing team to UND had a lack of coaching or didn't have an understanding how to win.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

6 hours ago, planet2county said:

Think about if you would say it to the subject's face. Players, friends, families, media, and staff do read the forum.

Some posters need to get a grip.  There are no guaranteed outcomes.  UND could have fumbled on the next play after the punt.

Richmond missed some plays in the first half that could have changed the game at that moment in time. 

I am sure future recruits can't wait to get blasted on this forum.

Put in your resumes for coaching jobs.  Take up a referees whistle.  Apply for the AD job.

I visited this board for many years and not till this year, joined the SS team because of some of your same concerns. Yes, there were times I was uncomfortable with what was posted here. I always sensed that this board would be better for UND, and all of us as a whole, if we all followed the golden rule a little closer. Now don't get me wrong, I still think this SS board is a great thing. There are boat loads of visitors here. 

When I was on a sports team, our coach schooled us players on how to get along and how to respect others. On this board, the moderators watch that we follow the rules, and the rules allow us to shoot some arrows. Therefore, we have the posts in our threads that we have.  On here there is a lot of ( I'll call it ) self control in the high energy threads, and of course that varies with everyone's expectations.  And the reason I say that, is in the next paragraph.

Go to Bisonville and read their game threads when things aren't going so well, pretty sad with some of their posters. One example of many is the 2nd half of the SDSU FB game. You may wonder how they can recruit???   That makes our SS posts pretty minuscule in the "get a grip" category. Some posters are very arrogant and have a strong infatuation with us.

There's similar boards at many U's. It's the nature of the beast.

Except for the trolls and occasional outside friendly visitor,  we realize we are on UND's team.

 

 

 

[WYOBISONMAN]

I finally got to watch this one on ESPN 3.  After the Bison game I was tailgating in Laramie and freezing my ass off before the MWC Championship game so I couldn't see it live.  The collapse at the end of the 3rd and all of the 4th quarters was stunning.  But, some of the fans on here are way overboard ripping on kids and coaches on this.  Yes, the blocked put call was not very smart at that point in the game, but there were a lot of chances to urn things around after that.  Richmond hung on and evidently never lost confidence.  UND is incredibly improved after last year despite the loss. Maybe we can meet in the playoffs next year.  I would think that UND should be contending for the Big Sky title.

By the way....when anyone in either of our fan bases starts yapping about how great outdoor football is and how we need bigger stadiums built for our teams and to make them outdoors.....they are full of !@#$.  Come sit in a December game in Laramie....at night.  

[planet2county]

I have looked at the Bisonville message board and other message boards.  There is some good discussion and not so good discussion.  A game was played with both teams and coaches trying their best.  Mistakes and good plays were made by both sides.  That is what competition is about. 

[dakotadan]

Those hideous grey uniforms are the sole reason that we lost the game. 

[siouxfan512]

On 12/4/2016 at 10:20 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Horrible, horrible loss. 

Up 24-7 in 3rd and the community is finally getting behind UND football like we all want (crowd and noise were amazing yesterday), only then for UND to have a horrible penalty and blocked punt which were both huge momentum killers. Many mistakes throughout game, with the final one being the deep pass allowed by UND on 3rd and long.  I hate this loss for so many reasons. It really will hurt for a while. Oh well. 

 

We really have nobody to blame but ourselves. Go back to the South Dakota game, and then the NAU game .... We put all sorts of tape out there for Richmond to watch on "How to make a comeback". Clearly, this is why we lost

Still hurts, but now my attention shifts from football and hockey to hockey and basketball. The FCS playoffs will be over soon enough and we can forget about this (....until the NCAA sends the NDSU banner to GF by mistake  .... just kidding .... I hope). But seriously, onto next season. This year was a big step forward, and while it would have been nice to take another step by winning in the playoffs, the team and staff just needs to keep doing what they are doing. Keep on building.

[Sioux94]

39 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

The FCS playoffs will be over soon enough and we can forget about this 

I don't think I'll be able to forget about this until next August.   Actually I'll still be thinking about it during the season next year....and will be thinking about it until we get some wins in the playoffs next year.  We have to sit around another 12 months while other fan bases say we've never won a game that really matters.  It's going to be an extremely long 12 months.