UND1983 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Following the 2015 season, Joe Glenn retired and nobody was retained. You don't have google where you live? What part of what you just said relates to fired? Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, UND1983 said: What part of what you just said relates to fired? Maybe I should have put retired in quotations for you. Anyone who follows USD knows what happened in vermillion. Quote
UND1983 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Maybe I should have put retired in quotations for you. Anyone who follows USD knows what happened in vermillion. Oh, you're in the know. We all know what happened, not hard to figure out he was getting long in the tooth. Doesn't mean the new narrative is that USD "fired" their entire staff and blew it all up. Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, UND1983 said: Oh, you're in the know. We all know what happened, not hard to figure out he was getting long in the tooth. Doesn't mean the new narrative is that USD "fired" their entire staff and blew it all up. What the heck would you call it when a guy is forced into early retirement and the heir that they had been grooming as his replacement for 10 years beschorner was let go? This was a firing and a starting fresh with a new staff, if you try to spin it any other way you'd be wrong. Quote
UND1983 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: What the heck would you call it when a guy is forced into early retirement and the heir that they had been grooming as his replacement for 10 years beschorner was let go? This was a firing and a starting fresh with a new staff, if you try to spin it any other way you'd be wrong. You're right, as usual. You know the menutia of happenings. Maybe you get your own thread here or admin privileges? Right all the fallacies. Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, UND1983 said: You're right, as usual. You know the menutia of happenings. Maybe you get your own thread here or admin privileges? Right all the fallacies. lol, so let me get this straight, I called something a firing and you try to right that "fallacy" yet I'm the one who is going around and righting all the wrongs? I think your projecting my friend. Also, just because I have Bison in my name doesn't mean I don't know people in other programs. Short of name dropping which I won't do, you'll just have to trust that someone who was very closely tied to the USD situation is close to my family. Quote
UND1983 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bison06 said: lol, so let me get this straight, I called something a firing and you try to right that "fallacy" yet I'm the one who is going around and righting all the wrongs? I think your projecting my friend. Also, just because I have Bison in my name doesn't mean I don't know people in other programs. Short of name dropping which I won't do, you'll just have to trust that someone who was very closely tied to the USD situation is close to my family. You're in the know. This board is #blessed. Quote
homer Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: lol, so let me get this straight, I called something a firing and you try to right that "fallacy" yet I'm the one who is going around and righting all the wrongs? I think your projecting my friend. Also, just because I have Bison in my name doesn't mean I don't know people in other programs. Short of name dropping which I won't do, you'll just have to trust that someone who was very closely tied to the USD situation is close to my family. Didn't he interview as a finalist and not get hired over a guy who who was twice national coach of the year at DII and just led a dreadful WIU team to the playoffs for the first time in a number of years? Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, homer said: Didn't he interview as a finalist and not get hired over a guy who who was twice national coach of the year at DII and just led a dreadful WIU team to the playoffs for the first time in a number of years? Yes, he was told for years it was his job. Even when Glenn came in he was considered for that job, as it was told to him, Glenn was to come in as a mentor and stop gap until he was "ready". Glenn's early retirement and beschorner not getting that job was a clear message that they were unhappy with the direction of the program and it was time for wholesale change. Quote
UND1983 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 USD was unhappy with their program twice in five years. Cause they're so used to winning, had to be tough to handle all those "lean" years. Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, UND1983 said: You're in the know. This board is #blessed. Why are you so salty over the word firing? The coaching staff was turned over, 100%, I believe. Isnt that an indication that the athletic department wasnt happy with the current staff and how things were going or are you just arguing with me because I have Bison in my name? If Glenn truely retired and they were happy with the direction of the program, continuity on the staff would have carried the day. if bubba retired today, due to the direction of the program UND would be adamant about hiring an "inside guy" to keep the momentum rolling. Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, UND1983 said: USD was unhappy with their program twice in five years. Cause they're so used to winning, had to be tough to handle all those "lean" years. Watching your rival have unprecedented success and win over most of the state's support will make an administration change their tune pretty quick. Quote
homer Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 43 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Yes, he was told for years it was his job. Even when Glenn came in he was considered for that job, as it was told to him, Glenn was to come in as a mentor and stop gap until he was "ready". Glenn's early retirement and beschorner not getting that job was a clear message that they were unhappy with the direction of the program and it was time for wholesale change. So he can't come back after getting more experience at Pitt? It can still be his job. Did he ever get an head coach in waiting title like Jimbo Fisher got at FSU? If not it's hard to argue the hiring of an experienced head coach like Nielsen over a lifelong coordinator. Quote
Bison06 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, homer said: So he can't come back after getting more experience at Pitt? It can still be his job. Did he ever get an head coach in waiting title like Jimbo Fisher got at FSU? If not it's hard to argue the hiring of an experienced head coach like Nielsen over a lifelong coordinator. I'm sure he could come back, most of the fanbase had become disenchanted with the former USD star though and was ready for some new blood. He just got hired at Rice btw, so moving up the coaching ranks. Not sure if he ever had the official head coach in waiting title, but he was the associate head coach I believe. Quote
zonadub Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Bison06 said: Watching your rival have unprecedented success and win over most of the state's support will make an administration change their tune pretty quick. Unless your initials are BF. Then it can take a while. 2 Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 22 hours ago, Bison06 said: Yeah, USD was rising so much following that 24-21 win in 2015 that they decided to fire the entire coaching staff and start from scratch...that makes sense. 2015, USD beats NDSU, NDSU goes on to win national championship. 2016, USD loses to NDSU, NDSU doesn't win national championship. USD is improving, but to use USD games in 2015 and 2016 to show NDSU is slipping actually bolsters the opposite argument than what you are claiming it does. I believe NDSU is a better team than UND or USD today, I've given you that before. Of course the pollsters will have JM, Youngstown, and NDSU up there at the start. They weigh heavily on past results, and then the polls change through out the year. Now I responded to both You and a poster named "North Dakota", of which both of you showed weakens in SD. You stated "They certainly weren't the best representative of what the MVFC offers up for competition". I showed how close SD games where with NDSU in the last 2 years. Look below. NDSU split one score games in last 2 seasons with SD. Prior three years NDSU won 2014 47 - 7 2013 42 - 0 2012 54 - 0 2011 didn't play Competition get n better and Bizon slipping. Going to DL ice fishing, There will be no trolling, fishing in of a skid house. Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Fetch said: I may have to become a real UND Football Fan This year's Hockey has me stressed out - been to spoiled - need to feel like a winner again & I think Football is about to go on a winning run And to top that off, the Bizon are slipping. Quote
siouxfan512 Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: And to top that off, the Bizon are slipping. I'll agree that the past few years have been a lot of fun. Not willing to say the Bison are slipping yet because they "only" made it to the semi-finals, and did not win a 6th straight title. I'll wait until they go 1 and done in the playoffs or miss them completely before I start talking about program regression. 2 Quote
UNDColorado Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said: I'll agree that the past few years have been a lot of fun. Not willing to say the Bison are slipping yet because they "only" made it to the semi-finals, and did not win a 6th straight title. I'll wait until they go 1 and done in the playoffs or miss them completely before I start talking about program regression. Yeah I have a feeling they will have a strong season in 2017. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, UNDColorado said: Yeah I have a feeling they will have a strong season in 2017. They will be improved this coming season. No doubt about it. 1 Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted February 21, 2017 Posted February 21, 2017 37 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: They will be improved this coming season. No doubt about it. No trolling by a past UND hero. Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 6 hours ago, siouxfan512 said: I'll agree that the past few years have been a lot of fun. Not willing to say the Bison are slipping yet because they "only" made it to the semi-finals, and did not win a 6th straight title. I'll wait until they go 1 and done in the playoffs or miss them completely before I start talking about program regression. Hopefully 1 and done is around the corner or missing completely isn't far away either. Here are some interesting stats of points scored and total yards over last 4 years of Bizon vs their opponents. Year Points / Game Yards / Game Bizon Opponents Bizon Opponents 2016 29.1 16.6 407 319 2015 34.9 15.3 423 271 2014 32.9 14.1 432 280 2013 38.7 11.3 457 255 Gap is tightening, the lines of the graph are on a collision course. Slip and Slide? Quote
geaux_sioux Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 10 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: Hopefully 1 and done is around the corner or missing completely isn't far away either. Here are some interesting stats of points scored and total yards over last 4 years of Bizon vs their opponents. Year Points / Game Yards / Game Bizon Opponents Bizon Opponents 2016 29.1 16.6 407 319 2015 34.9 15.3 423 271 2014 32.9 14.1 432 280 2013 38.7 11.3 457 255 Gap is tightening, the lines of the graph are on a collision course. Slip and Slide? Since their 2013 team was probably the second best FCS team of all time the stats should show a little slippage. Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, geaux_sioux said: Since their 2013 team was probably the second best FCS team of all time the stats should show a little slippage. Then you agree, we all know they can loose. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 10:50 PM, jdub27 said: I have no clue where Caillou gets his numbers (but I know where he got his education!!). Per USA Today, in 2015, NDSU got $6.6 million from direct institutional support out of their $22.3 million budget (29.4%). Kolpack had a different number, about $2.1 million (not the $6.6 cited and referenced above). This just in ... Quote Bresciani said, adding that appropriated general fund support for athletics is being "slashed" by 40 percent. http://www.inforum.com/news/4222883-ndsu-offering-phased-retirements-cutting-student-affairs-administrators Quote
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