NDUS Budget Cuts (changed name to be system-wide)

[jdub27]

44 minutes ago, moser53 said:

Gerald Groenwald was politlely asked to take EERC to Bisnarck. He politlely declined. Fate  sealed.

Yeah, that's why he was fired....

[moser53]

11 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Yeah, that's why he was fired....

He turns down Birnarck then a lot of in house accusations. A lot of people believe only  people they dislike plot and skeen.

This laptop is giving ne sone trouble with  letters

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, moser53 said:

Gerald Groenwald was politlely asked to take EERC to Bisnarck. He politlely declined. Fate  sealed.

State leaders would want nothing to do with Groenwald or his wife.  Peddling crap seems to be your specialty.

[JohnboyND7]

4 hours ago, moser53 said:

All the things UND supporters  have bragged about  higher enrollment ,nicer -prettier campus , The Flagship U, have been heard in Fargo for decades. iIt's all changing. When are we going to see a new medical and law school in Fargo-Jamestown College.  School of Science -Fargo. There is a  well thought out plan in Fargo and you can see it taking shape. 

NDSU's campus is never going to be easier on the eyes than UND's. That'd require almost a complete reboot. Not a huge deal, doesn't seem to be preventing students from wanting to go there.

Enrollment... they've been pretty even the past decade or so, yeah? 

 

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

4 hours ago, bang said:

If I could interject here and put my two cents in. To me the financials aside his leadership was ONE of things I thought he lacked. Allowing departments to run amuck with no direction. Case in point would be the whole EERC debacle. He sudpends/fires a guy by email while having the cops escort him out after giving a positive review of the guy just months before. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have been fired cause it looked like the guy had been a problem for awhile. Kelley put his head in the sand until the situation got out of hand and then still didn't take a hands on approach. He had other people do his dirty work while he hid in the background. 

The ability to deal with and manage difficult personalities is something great leaders possess. Kelley greatly lacked in this department. That's just one reason I didn't like Kelley. Not saying he's not a good person, just not a great leader. I'm sure UNDBIZ has some other specific reasons as well. 

Kelley inherited EERC leadership, as well as the nickname.  By the time he was finished, both issues had been addressed.  Kelley also oversaw the D1 transition, the birth of UAS, and a construction boom punctuated by a new med school, and endured a shaky period of 'leadership' from the Chancellor/SBoHE.  Can't say whether he delegated effectively, but that is perhaps a question of style.  Like head coaches, presidents get too much credit and too much blame.  Maybe Kelley was not legendary, but terrible?  Critique is fair, but slanting the facts is not.  Can anyone honestly say that UND was, on balance, worse off when he left than when he arrived?

[jdub27]

7 hours ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Kelley inherited EERC leadership, as well as the nickname.  By the time he was finished, both issues had been addressed.  Kelley also oversaw the D1 transition, the birth of UAS, and a construction boom punctuated by a new med school, and endured a shaky period of 'leadership' from the Chancellor/SBoHE.  Can't say whether he delegated effectively, but that is perhaps a question of style.  Like head coaches, presidents get too much credit and too much blame.  Maybe Kelley was not legendary, but terrible?  Critique is fair, but slanting the facts is not.  Can anyone honestly say that UND was, on balance, worse off when he left than when he arrived?

He probably would have retired a few years earlier if the nickname issue wouldn't have gotten drug out for so long. Not much he can do when the legislature starts passing laws... 

[SWSiouxMN]

17 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

He probably would have retired a few years earlier if the nickname issue wouldn't have gotten drug out for so long. Not much he can do when the legislature starts passing laws... 

That 3 year cooling off period.... but Kelley didn't do himself any favors at certain points (final vote ring a bell?)

[Rebel_Sioux]

On 9/16/2017 at 3:36 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Kelley inherited EERC leadership, as well as the nickname.  By the time he was finished, both issues had been addressed.  Kelley also oversaw the D1 transition, the birth of UAS, and a construction boom punctuated by a new med school, and endured a shaky period of 'leadership' from the Chancellor/SBoHE.  Can't say whether he delegated effectively, but that is perhaps a question of style.  Like head coaches, presidents get too much credit and too much blame.  Maybe Kelley was not legendary, but terrible?  Critique is fair, but slanting the facts is not.  Can anyone honestly say that UND was, on balance, worse off when he left than when he arrived?

Having little to no access to the facts, here's what I can say about Kelley. 

A. He's better then his predecessor

B. He was student friendly while I was a campus student, but his popularity with staff amd students took a nose dive in his later years. 

C. He botched the nickname from start to finish. In the early years, he tried to play it neutral but it was later revealed he was trying to retire the name as quickly as possible. Then there was the nickname committee and vote debacle. The logo design I leave on Schafer.

D. While several new buildings were built (with private donations for these projects) and several were renovated, other buildings fell into disrepair. 

E. Several teams and majors were cut right after his administration. It's conceivable that these could have been avoided for some (likely not all) with better budgeting during his tenure.

F. Due to lack of transparency, I don't know how much of C-E are really his fault, as opposed to the fault of state officials. 

Ultimately I do think he tried to do what he thought was best, but a lot went wrong at the end of his watch and his lack of transparency led to distrust and dislike by students, teachers and alumni alike which makes it hard to see him in a favorable light. 

In short, I don't expect any alumni to donate money for a Kelley Hall anytime soon.

[SWSiouxMN]

14 minutes ago, Rebel_Sioux said:

Having little to no access to the facts, here's what I can say about Kelley. 

A. He's better then his predecessor

B. He was student friendly while I was a campus student, but his popularity with staff amd students took a nose dive in his later years. 

C. He botched the nickname from start to finish. In the early years, he tried to play it neutral but it was later revealed he was trying to retire the name as quickly as possible. Then there was the nickname committee and vote debacle. The logo design I leave on Schafer.

D. While several new buildings were built (with private donations for these projects) and several were renovated, other buildings fell into disrepair. 

E. Several teams and majors were cut right after his administration. It's conceivable that these could have been avoided for some (likely not all) with better budgeting during his tenure.

F. Due to lack of transparency, I don't know how much of C-E are really his fault, as opposed to the fault of state officials. 

Ultimately I do think he tried to do what he thought was best, but a lot went wrong at the end of his watch and his lack of transparency led to distrust and dislike by students, teachers and alumni alike which makes it hard to see him in a favorable light. 

In short, I don't expect any alumni to donate money for a Kelley Hall anytime soon.

That lack of transparency really hurt him in his last few years.  Tuitiongate was the final straw. Imagine the uproar if Sundogs had won, it was his preferred name (he did say his choice for a name was eliminated in the 1st round of voting)

[moser53]

There was a press release fron High Ed a year or 2 ago. It said the plan is to nake  UND  an online University.  And  NDSU to grow enrollment and have then on Canpus. 

With the building boon on SUs campus  you can see that is still the plan. SU  goes to the High Ed board and says they need new on Canpus housing  because you don't really have the college experience unless your on Canpus. 

Al Carlson was on KFGO today. Talking about colleges. He didn't say SU should grow by nane. What he did say was this. Let these canpuses grow as big as they want to if they want to. Growing SU is th plan. Online at UND is the plan. 

Political biases nake it hard for sone people to see or adnit it. 

Laptop problen the letter after kl  won't type

[nodak651]

8 minutes ago, moser53 said:

There was a press release fron High Ed a year or 2 ago. It said the plan is to nake  UND  an online University.  And  NDSU to grow enrollment and have then on Canpus. 

With the building boon on SUs campus  you can see that is still the plan. SU  goes to the High Ed board and says they need new on Canpus housing  because you don't really have the college experience unless your on Canpus. 

Al Carlson was on KFGO today. Talking about colleges. He didn't say SU should grow by nane. What he did say was this. Let these canpuses grow as big as they want to if they want to. Growing SU is th plan. Online at UND is the plan. 

Political biases nake it hard for sone people to see or adnit it. 

Laptop problen the letter after kl  won't type

Please post a link to that press release.  Bet you can't find it.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

2 hours ago, moser53 said:

There was a press release fron High Ed a year or 2 ago. It said the plan is to nake  UND  an online University.  And  NDSU to grow enrollment and have then on Canpus. 

With the building boon on SUs campus  you can see that is still the plan. SU  goes to the High Ed board and says they need new on Canpus housing  because you don't really have the college experience unless your on Canpus. 

Al Carlson was on KFGO today. Talking about colleges. He didn't say SU should grow by nane. What he did say was this. Let these canpuses grow as big as they want to if they want to. Growing SU is th plan. Online at UND is the plan. 

Political biases nake it hard for sone people to see or adnit it. 

Laptop problen the letter after kl  won't type

Stude?ts o? ca?pus @ ?DSU a?d stude?ts o? Laptop @ U?D , I ?ever heard that 1 B4. R U sure

Laptop proble? the 2 letters after kl wo?'t type

[moser53]

1 hour ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Stude?ts o? ca?pus @ ?DSU a?d stude?ts o? Laptop @ U?D , I ?ever heard that 1 B4. R U sure

Laptop proble? the 2 letters after kl wo?'t type

.  There are others who feel like I do. 

[homer]

3 hours ago, moser53 said:

.  There are others who feel like I do. 

What is all the building on NDSUs campus?

[UNDBIZ]

8 hours ago, moser53 said:

There was a press release fron High Ed a year or 2 ago. It said the plan is to nake  UND  an online University.  And  NDSU to grow enrollment and have then on Canpus. 

No there wasn't. 

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

No there wasn't. 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

11 hours ago, moser53 said:

Growing SU is th plan. Online at UND is the plan. 

Political biases nake it hard for sone people to see or adnit it. 

Laptop problen the letter after kl  won't type

 

8 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Stude?ts o? ca?pus @ ?DSU a?d stude?ts o? Laptop @ U?D , I ?ever heard that 1 B4. R U sure

Laptop proble? the 2 letters after kl wo?'t type

 

7 hours ago, moser53 said:

.  There are others who feel like I do. 

Got Ya! So going from press release a couple years ago to feels like. I get it! Kinda feels like we make a very deep run in the FB playoffs, alll home games?

[SIOUXFAN97]

11 hours ago, moser53 said:

There was a press release fron High Ed a year or 2 ago. It said the plan is to nake  UND  an online University.  And  NDSU to grow enrollment and have then on Canpus. 

With the building boon on SUs campus  you can see that is still the plan. SU  goes to the High Ed board and says they need new on Canpus housing  because you don't really have the college experience unless your on Canpus. 

Al Carlson was on KFGO today. Talking about colleges. He didn't say SU should grow by nane. What he did say was this. Let these canpuses grow as big as they want to if they want to. Growing SU is th plan. Online at UND is the plan. 

Political biases nake it hard for sone people to see or adnit it. 

Laptop problen the letter after kl  won't type

even if this was true...which it aint...it would make sense for the ndac to "grow" physically bc it's hard to teach farming skills and ag skills "online"...gotta get into the dirt or your hands on the cows milkers over by the airport...und on the other hand should grow online which is happening everywhere.

[moser53]

I know your not saying  UND should only have online growth.

But if that is the in the  the plan-plot Grater Grand Forks would suffer fron lack of economic growth.

Dull campus, no part tine workers. There are people in this state over the years who have cursed our forefathers for placing UND  in GF and it exists today

[SiouxVolley]

8 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

even if this was true...which it aint...it would make sense for the ndac to "grow" physically bc it's hard to teach farming skills and ag skills "online"...gotta get into the dirt or your hands on the cows milkers over by the airport...und on the other hand should grow online which is happening everywhere.

NDSU has its eyes on the NDSSS campus in Fargo.  The move by the Wahpeton school has enraged SU backers. What Moser says has some kernels of truth to them, but wrapped in BS of course.

[moser53]

10 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU has its eyes on the NDSSS campus in Fargo.  The move by the Wahpeton school has enraged SU backers. What Moser says has some kernels of truth to them, but wrapped in BS of course.

Enraged ? If it nakes Fargo a better place there for it. Ask Tony Grinberg. Fargo wants SU in a higher conference. I feel for the Bison men's  BB coach  he is there for a reason. IHe is a NO guy. Good luck to hin. 

When will the press release cone out  on Jamestown College Medical and Law school.

 

 

[moser53]

10 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU has its eyes on the NDSSS campus in Fargo.  The move by the Wahpeton school has enraged SU backers. What Moser says has some kernels of truth to them, but wrapped in BS of course.

Another thing all the $ that  UND gets out of Fargo you know there are people who want to keep that $ in Fargo. 

Big tine football for SU power 5 breaks off then you have NDSU hockey. UND hockey is what D2 or what ever that lesser teir  hockey is called. All possible.

[Frozen4sioux]

14 hours ago, moser53 said:

Another thing all the $ that  UND gets out of Fargo you know there are people who want to keep that $ in Fargo. 

Big tine football for SU power 5 breaks off then you have NDSU hockey. UND hockey is what D2 or what ever that lesser teir  hockey is called. All possible.

Christ, by these last few post, on campus, online, what these colleges need are classes on sentence structure and how to use a freekin spellcheck.

[JohnboyND7]

13 hours ago, moser53 said:

Enraged ? If it nakes Fargo a better place there for it. Ask Tony Grinberg. Fargo wants SU in a higher conference. I feel for the Bison men's  BB coach  he is there for a reason. IHe is a NO guy. Good luck to hin. 

When will the press release cone out  on Jamestown College Medical and Law school.

 

 

I cant imagine Jamestown having the money to open a law or med school. 

[moser53]

8 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

I cant imagine Jamestown having the money to open a law or med school. 

How about T Denny Sanford  seems to like Fargo. 500 nillion dollar hospital. 

North Dakota broke Fargo spending.  If it's important enough you will find the $.