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yzerman19 Contributor

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Aren't those like bowling alley machine doobs?  Has anyone on this site ever actually purchased or used a rough rider rubber???  I hope not- that question was rhetorical by the way, I don't want to hear some internet enabled machismo.

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geaux_sioux
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Can't go from Fighting Sioux, a one of a kind nickname with a beautiful logo to Fighting Hawks. We can join the large PC nickname fraternity and become what the NCAA and Kelley wanted or we can do som

Hawkster
Hawkster

Not what I wanted either, but it's 1000 times better than Roughriders.   I'll be voting Fighting Hawks when it resumes.

Siouxphan27
Siouxphan27

I feel there has to be more to it than just being unique.   Roughriders may be unique to college sports  but that doesn't automatically make it a great choice in my mind.  I voted Nodaks.   I felt it

gfNDfan Rising Star

gfNDfan

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....and they have the worst logo in college athletics.

150px-Maryland-easternshore.png

No that seasick son-of-yosemite sam avatar you have is the WORST logo in college athletics!   Why does he have crossed hockey sticks on the side?  Did US Cavalry (yes CAVALRY not CALVARY!:-o) soldiers have to fight off a lot of french canadian hockey players on the plains???

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NoiseInsideMyHead Rising Star

NoiseInsideMyHead

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On www.umes.edu,  they are referred to as Fighting Hawks all over.

Not quarreling with you, but I find the opposite.  Which is very interesting, and confusing.

At http://www.umeshawks.com/genrel/mdes-genrel.html (a listing of 12+ years worth of press releases), the word "Fighting" appears once.

At http://www.umeshawks.com/ot/mdes-store.html (the online store), there are zero instances of "Fighting".  Same for the school bio on the athletics page (http://www.umeshawks.com/school-bio/mdes-school-bio.html) and media relations page (http://www.umeshawks.com/media-relations/mdes-media-relations.html).

Is this the ultimate identity crisis or what?

Cratter Veteran

Cratter

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No that seasick son-of-yosemite sam avatar you have is the WORST logo in college athletics!   Why does he have crossed hockey sticks on the side?  Did US Cavalry (yes CAVALRY not CALVARY!:-o) soldiers have to fight off a lot of french canadian hockey players on the plains???

There was probably Roughriders that played hockey.

Never seen a Fighting Hawk play hockey.

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SiouxVolley Newbie

SiouxVolley

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Not quarreling with you, but I find the opposite.  Which is very interesting, and confusing.

At http://www.umeshawks.com/genrel/mdes-genrel.html (a listing of 12+ years worth of press releases), the word "Fighting" appears once.

At http://www.umeshawks.com/ot/mdes-store.html (the online store), there are zero instances of "Fighting".  Same for the school bio on the athletics page (http://www.umeshawks.com/school-bio/mdes-school-bio.html) and media relations page (http://www.umeshawks.com/media-relations/mdes-media-relations.html).

Is this the ultimate identity crisis or what?

Why all the references to homecoming as:

Fighting UMES Hawks Homecoming

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Cratter Veteran

Cratter

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Not quarreling with you, but I find the opposite.  Which is very interesting, and confusing.

At http://www.umeshawks.com/genrel/mdes-genrel.html (a listing of 12+ years worth of press releases), the word "Fighting" appears once.

At http://www.umeshawks.com/ot/mdes-store.html (the online store), there are zero instances of "Fighting".  Same for the school bio on the athletics page (http://www.umeshawks.com/school-bio/mdes-school-bio.html) and media relations page (http://www.umeshawks.com/media-relations/mdes-media-relations.html).

Is this the ultimate identity crisis or what?

Probably an informal part of the name like at UND in the early days of Sioux?

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/teams/md-eastern-shore-hawks

Siouxphan27 Enthusiast

Siouxphan27

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OK. @ Siouxphan27 and snooty89, Why would you choose Hawks, something common, over Roughriders, something unique? I think roughrider fans struggle to express their incredulity with this question, and it comes across insulting and condescending.

I feel there has to be more to it than just being unique.   Roughriders may be unique to college sports  but that doesn't automatically make it a great choice in my mind. 

I voted Nodaks.   I felt it was the only choice remaining that, depending on how they used the name and what the logo was, could be linked to a source of pride at UND and the state.

Roughriders would be a contrived name and would not create any extra enthusiasm on campus compared to Hawks IMO.  there's nothing Roughrider about UND.  the only time I saw a 10 gallon hat and (ass)chaps on campus was at a Halloween party years ago... to me, if we were to go with a human-based mascot/logo , it would have to fit into the atmosphere and culture of the campus.   Roughriders just doesn't fit the bill IMO.    this is UND, not Bonanzaville.

I don't care how many times I hear "we are the Roughrider state", it's a silly, inaccurate nickname for the state that no one I know takes seriously.  

So for those reasons, and for the much less important reasons of it's a condom, it's two guys doing it as described by urban dictionary, it will be shortened to "Ridas" which IMO sounds asinine, and lastly it's the name of the local high school, i choose not to vote for  roughriders.

Yes, Hawks is popular.  But fighting hawks, with a great logo design and strong support from the student body will be successful IMO.  

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gfNDfan Rising Star

gfNDfan

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There was probably Roughriders that played hockey.

Never seen a Fighting Hawk play hockey.

What?  You make no sense but that's the point of the "FH" nickname

There IS room for creativity there...okay...I get it you're just drunk,.

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Siouxphan27 Enthusiast

Siouxphan27

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Roughriders less ND-related than Hawks? Lady Riders doesn't work for the womens teams?

IMO yes.   i see hawks all over the place, every day in North Dakota.  

I'm confused;  wouldn't the men be the Lady Riders?  :p

gfNDfan Rising Star

gfNDfan

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ME and my Seasick Yosemite SAM Roughrider hat....


YES!  I'm COOL I'm CRATTER!

rhymes with crapper which is where I'm headed...

 

no offense -no relation  - I LIVE IN TODAY!

 

gnd

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ClassB Newbie

ClassB

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a side member of the GOBC! 

 

!@#$ you GFHOCKEY! btw

you are a sideshow.

Siouxphan, first logical defense of Hawks that I have seen, thank you. I can see your points, but I'll still be voting riders.

Vegas_Sioux Rising Star

Vegas_Sioux

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There exists one other DI school with the Fighting Hawks name, beside the 40 odd adjective-Hawk schools:

Maryland-Eastern Shore Fighting Hawks

Even with the adjective, it not unique.

now leave Easton out of this. They didn't pick their p.c. name 

SIOUXFAN97 Grand Master

SIOUXFAN97

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nice work siouxvolley...so it's okay to "take" the nickname from a small university somewhere in maryland but its not okay to "take" a nickname from a small high scholl in north dakota...so "fighting hawks" isn't even unique to d1...

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SiouxVolley Newbie

SiouxVolley

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nice work siouxvolley...so it's okay to "take" the nickname from a small university somewhere in maryland but its not okay to "take" a nickname from a small high scholl in north dakota...so "fighting hawks" isn't even unique to d1...

Yeah.  Guess it's ok to steal from an historically black college, but not ok to take a state nickname that we have rightful claims to.

snooty89 Contributor

snooty89

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OK. @ Siouxphan27 and snooty89, Why would you choose Hawks, something common, over Roughriders, something unique? I think roughrider fans struggle to express their incredulity with this question, and it comes across insulting and condescending.

I'm cool with either of them.  Voted for Fighting Hawks in the first vote, and Roughriders in the 2nd.  Didn't like Nodaks.  There are many reasons to vote for each choice.  FH- Keeps fighting in the name.  Isn't controversial.  Roughriders- Unique other than a local high school team.  Let's be honest does any other college outside of Grand Forks care that we stole it?  NO.  It is a Grand Forks issue.  Possibilities of a great unique nickname. 

Just hate being talked down upon when the reality is there is going to be 35% of the voters unhappy that Fighting Hawks is our new nickname with them saying that everyone is so stupid for choosing it.

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dmksioux Collaborator

dmksioux

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This has been brought up numerous times, but:  don't want to copy Red River, Roughriders isn't really a ND name,  doesn't fit the women's teams, not unique in that other teams besides RR use it (I know FH isn't either so it doesn't apply to either), and most importantly, I TOTALLY DISLIKE THE NAME!!!   Probably a few more I could name if I wasn't so sick of this subject.

I don't necessarily agree with this.  If you look at the definition of a Rough Rider:  Looks like it's a person (meaning male or female) who rides horses.

rough·rid·er

ˈrəfˌrīdər/
noun
NORTH AMERICAN
plural noun: rough-riders; plural noun: rough riders
  1. a person who breaks in or can ride unbroken horses.
    • a person who rides horses a lot.
    • a member of the cavalry unit in which Theodore Roosevelt fought during the Spanish-American War.
      noun: Rough Rider; plural noun: Rough Riders
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    Would people be more apt to support Rough Riders if UND chose not to go with ties to Teddy?  
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fightingsioux4life Grand Master

fightingsioux4life

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very true.  you are about the only Roughrider supporter who posts that doesn't call people who have voted for other options uninformed morons.  

When have I called anybody names? Please find an example and I'll apologize right here, right now.

SWSiouxMN Grand Master

SWSiouxMN

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I feel there has to be more to it than just being unique.   Roughriders may be unique to college sports  but that doesn't automatically make it a great choice in my mind. 

I voted Nodaks.   I felt it was the only choice remaining that, depending on how they used the name and what the logo was, could be linked to a source of pride at UND and the state.

Roughriders would be a contrived name and would not create any extra enthusiasm on campus compared to Hawks IMO.  there's nothing Roughrider about UND.  the only time I saw a 10 gallon hat and (ass)chaps on campus was at a Halloween party years ago... to me, if we were to go with a human-based mascot/logo , it would have to fit into the atmosphere and culture of the campus.   Roughriders just doesn't fit the bill IMO.    this is UND, not Bonanzaville.

I don't care how many times I hear "we are the Roughrider state", it's a silly, inaccurate nickname for the state that no one I know takes seriously.  

So for those reasons, and for the much less important reasons of it's a condom, it's two guys doing it as described by urban dictionary, it will be shortened to "Ridas" which IMO sounds asinine, and lastly it's the name of the local high school, i choose not to vote for  roughriders.

Yes, Hawks is popular.  But fighting hawks, with a great logo design and strong support from the student body will be successful IMO.  

 

The crux of the whole argument right here, and I would make the same if Roughriders rallied and ended up the name.

If the logo is generic and is just plain awful... that support will dry up very fast.

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