TinyTimmay Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 This game should be a ton of fun. Even with the rivalry being absent for so many years, I think the players will be pretty amped up for this game. UND has something to prove, and NDSU will want to run them out of the stadium. I think there will certainly be enough hype generated leading up to this game that player will have a grasp for what this means to (most) fans. Fargodome is going to be jacked up and a very loud environment. Anyone know when the last time is they lost at home? This will be a very tall order for UND, but it should be a fun one. Rivalry aside, any football player with a pulse is going to get jacked up walking out of that tunnel to play the 4 time national champs on their home field.
OLINE70 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Key to this game is the line game. Every game actually. NDSU does not match up size wise with largest D-lineman checking in at 6-4 287. Everyone else is shorter and lighter. UND Offensive line: Aplin: 6 1 300 Boas: 6 1 315 Hellman: 6 4 290 Grady: 6 5 295 Miller: 6 5 315 Stiner: 6 6 280 Meehan: 6 5 315 Stockwell: 6 5 295 Taylor: 6 4 310 Merz: 6 6 275 Rooney: 6 3 275 Blair: 6 4 240 Camy: 6 6 305 Anderson: 6 6 310 Cox: 6 5 290 NDSU Defensive line: Butler: 6 3 221 Scheietz: 6 1 285 Messner: 6 3 278 Tuszka: 6 3 237 Steidl: 6 2 265 Jones: 6 3 209 Williams: 6 3 242 Menard: 6 2 220 Bremer 6 0 250 Ambrosius: 6 4 244 Morgan: 6 4 280 Farnlot: 6 1 280 Tanquay: 6 4 287 This is a favorable match up for UND and MUST be won by these guys. Win the line of scrimmage? Win the game.
Nodak78 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I hope you are right. if that is the case we should be able to pound the rock.
OLINE70 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Exactly. The way to beat the champs is to keep them off the field. Win time of possession. IMO....this is a huge mismatch and must be exploited. Steady dose of ground pound. D-line will tire after repeatedly getting pushed back. Hope the offense is patient because taking unnessary chances in the air diminishes chance of victory. Long drives and chewing clock in order in this game.
OLINE70 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 NDSU allowed 125 per game on the ground and 3.9 ypc. They can be run upon. Problem is their offense scored early and often. Forcing teams to go to air. Improve on that 3.9 ypc vs. them and UND MIGHT be in business. Equates to 3 carries. Move the chains.
Oxbow6 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 NDSU allowed 125 per game on the ground and 3.9 ypc. They can be run upon. Problem is their offense scored early and often. Forcing teams to go to air. Improve on that 3.9 ypc vs. them and UND MIGHT be in business. Equates to 3 carries. Move the chains. Problem I see is SU putting 8 in the box and challenging UND to make plays thru the air. Regardless of the perceived mismatch in the lines it is tough to run when there are more defenders in the box than blockers. Simple math unfortunately.
OLINE70 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 True. If that occurs? 3 step drops and quick slants by WRs will back them off in short order. Not a fan of 7 step drops and pocket passing. If they are jamming the line? Opens up quick safe passing lanes.
homer Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 The O-line has a lot to prove this season. Last season we likely out weighed every opponent we played and struggled moving the ball on the ground.
2011BisonAlumni Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Key to this game is the line game. Every game actually. NDSU does not match up size wise with largest D-lineman checking in at 6-4 287. Everyone else is shorter and lighter. UND Offensive line: Aplin: 6 1 300 Boas: 6 1 315 Hellman: 6 4 290 Grady: 6 5 295 Miller: 6 5 315 Stiner: 6 6 280 Meehan: 6 5 315 Stockwell: 6 5 295 Taylor: 6 4 310 Merz: 6 6 275 Rooney: 6 3 275 Blair: 6 4 240 Camy: 6 6 305 Anderson: 6 6 310 Cox: 6 5 290 NDSU Defensive line: Butler: 6 3 221 Scheietz: 6 1 285 Messner: 6 3 278 Tuszka: 6 3 237 Steidl: 6 2 265 Jones: 6 3 209 Williams: 6 3 242 Menard: 6 2 220 Bremer 6 0 250 Ambrosius: 6 4 244 Morgan: 6 4 280 Farnlot: 6 1 280 Tanquay: 6 4 287 This is a favorable match up for UND and MUST be won by these guys. Win the line of scrimmage? Win the game. This just makes me laugh. Have you watched NDSU these last few years? Their entire defense has been built off speed and athleticism. A lot of NDSU's defensive players don't fit your typical size. Regarding offensive lines, just because you are big doesn't mean much. A lot of big offensive lineman at the FCS level have slow feet and are completely blown up by smaller more athletic defensive lineman. Sam Houston had a massive offensive line last year and were completely blown up.
2011BisonAlumni Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 The O-line has a lot to prove this season. Last season we likely out weighed every opponent we played and struggled moving the ball on the ground. Quick feet, athletic and strength is what you need in an offensive line. You might average 300 pounds on the line, but that doesn't mean they are necessary strong, quick or have good footwork. If your offensive line lacks in those areas, size advantage becomes your disadvantage when you face a defensive line that is faster and more athletic.
homer Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Quick feet, athletic and strength is what you need in an offensive line. You might average 300 pounds on the line, but that doesn't mean they are necessary strong, quick or have good footwork. If your offensive line lacks in those areas, size advantage becomes your disadvantage when you face a defensive line that is faster and more athletic. Thank you entire NDSU graduating class of 2011.
geaux_sioux Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 Key to this game is the line game. Every game actually. NDSU does not match up size wise with largest D-lineman checking in at 6-4 287. Everyone else is shorter and lighter. UND Offensive line: Aplin: 6 1 300 Boas: 6 1 315 Hellman: 6 4 290 Grady: 6 5 295 Miller: 6 5 315 Stiner: 6 6 280 Meehan: 6 5 315 Stockwell: 6 5 295 Taylor: 6 4 310 Merz: 6 6 275 Rooney: 6 3 275 Blair: 6 4 240 Camy: 6 6 305 Anderson: 6 6 310 Cox: 6 5 290 NDSU Defensive line: Butler: 6 3 221 Scheietz: 6 1 285 Messner: 6 3 278 Tuszka: 6 3 237 Steidl: 6 2 265 Jones: 6 3 209 Williams: 6 3 242 Menard: 6 2 220 Bremer 6 0 250 Ambrosius: 6 4 244 Morgan: 6 4 280 Farnlot: 6 1 280 Tanquay: 6 4 287 This is a favorable match up for UND and MUST be won by these guys. Win the line of scrimmage? Win the game. Tanguay and Schaetz are beasts for NDSU, especially Tanguay. Schaetz isn't the biggest but he's dairy farm strong a tough, he can take care of business. Outside of those two, Ambrosious played a ton last year and was pretty solid. Obviously the other DE last year is in the NFL now so we'll see how that affects the rest of the line. Supposedly Menard is next in line. He's smallish but extremely explosive. I'm not sure about him against the run but he's a pass rush specialist that could pose problems.
UND1983 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Key to this game is the line game. Every game actually. NDSU does not match up size wise with largest D-lineman checking in at 6-4 287. Everyone else is shorter and lighter. UND Offensive line: Aplin: 6 1 300 Boas: 6 1 315 Hellman: 6 4 290 Grady: 6 5 295 Miller: 6 5 315 Stiner: 6 6 280 Meehan: 6 5 315 Stockwell: 6 5 295 Taylor: 6 4 310 Merz: 6 6 275 Rooney: 6 3 275 Blair: 6 4 240 Camy: 6 6 305 Anderson: 6 6 310 Cox: 6 5 290 NDSU Defensive line: Butler: 6 3 221 Scheietz: 6 1 285 Messner: 6 3 278 Tuszka: 6 3 237 Steidl: 6 2 265 Jones: 6 3 209 Williams: 6 3 242 Menard: 6 2 220 Bremer 6 0 250 Ambrosius: 6 4 244 Morgan: 6 4 280 Farnlot: 6 1 280 Tanquay: 6 4 287 This is a favorable match up for UND and MUST be won by these guys. Win the line of scrimmage? Win the game. Size of the defensive lineman has nothing to do with anything. Their defensive lineman have never been huge but have been tougher than hell and good. The problem with UND's offensive line is their is little depth and some are too weak/thin to help at this point.
Gothmog Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Exactly. The way to beat the champs is to keep them off the field. Win time of possession. IMO....this is a huge mismatch and must be exploited. Steady dose of ground pound. D-line will tire after repeatedly getting pushed back. Hope the offense is patient because taking unnessary chances in the air diminishes chance of victory. Long drives and chewing clock in order in this game. This UND team would have had the same "huge" weight mismatch against any of NDSU's national championship teams. Do you really think that necessarily means that UND could have, or would have, run the ball effectively against those teams?
UND1983 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 This UND team would have had the same "huge" weight mismatch against any of NDSU's national championship teams. Do you really think that necessarily means that UND could have could have, or would have, run the ball effectively against those teams? He has no idea what he is talking about. Read my post above.
Gothmog Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 He has no idea what he is talking about. Read my post above. You can't really disagree with the idea that UND should at least try to pound the ball against NDSU. But that's easier said than done, and just having a bigger O-Line doesn't really mean much of anything.
darell1976 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 You can't really disagree with the idea that UND should at least try to pound the ball against NDSU. But that's easier said than done, and just having a bigger O-Line doesn't really mean much of anything. UND will win the game if they can run the ball, and control the clock. That was a huge problem the last couple years, too many 3 and outs and the defense did what they could to stop the other team but got too tired out from the lack of offensive production. NDSU will just have to be, NDSU. To them UND is just another team, nothing special, where UND will have to battle the team, crowd, and the media. Can't wait for Sioux UND-Bison week to enhance the hype.
Gothmog Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 UND will win the game if they can run the ball, and control the clock. That was a huge problem the last couple years, too many 3 and outs and the defense did what they could to stop the other team but got too tired out from the lack of offensive production. NDSU will just have to be, NDSU. To them UND is just another team, nothing special, where UND will have to battle the team, crowd, and the media. Can't wait for Sioux UND-Bison week to enhance the hype. Really, that's all they have to do? I'm thinking that they'll have to play some defense and score a few points too. In any case, you're talking about controlling the clock against a team that is as good at controlling the clock as anyone. If that's the best shot you've got to beat NDSU, you don't have much of a shot.
UND1983 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Really, that's all they have to do? I'm thinking that they'll have to play some defense and score a few points too. In any case, you're talking about controlling the clock against a team that is as good at controlling the clock as anyone. If that's the best shot you've got to beat NDSU, you don't have much of a shot. People are actually trying to talk about the game. Some know more than others. The last thing we need is jackweed comments filling it up again. And yes, trying to actually keep their offense on the field is the only way UND stays close. But, that goes for most every team in America.
Gothmog Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 People are actually trying to talk about the game. Some know more than others. The last thing we need is jackweed comments filling it up again. And yes, trying to actually keep their offense on the field is the only way UND stays close. But, that goes for most every team in America. Jackweed comment? No, it's absolutely true. You're not going to win this game by just keeping NDSU off the field. At some point you're going to have to score points and, when NDSU is on the field, play defense. If UND comes out with that sort of a conservative, keep the ball away from them, game plan, NDSU will eat you alive.
darell1976 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Really, that's all they have to do? I'm thinking that they'll have to play some defense and score a few points too. In any case, you're talking about controlling the clock against a team that is as good at controlling the clock as anyone. If that's the best shot you've got to beat NDSU, you don't have much of a shot. NDSU's loss to UNI last year: TOP NDSU: 30:41 UNI: 29:19 Rushing: NDSU 43 UNI: 218 NDSU's loss to Indiana State TOP NDSU 33:25 ISUb 26:35 Rushing: NDSU 123 ISUb 88 Big key number is turnovers: NDSU 3 ISUb 0 Yes it will take more than TOP to beat them, but it doesn't hurt to give your defense a rest, maybe thats why NDSU does it and their defense seems so "fresh".
UND1983 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Jackweed comment? No, it's absolutely true. You're not going to win this game by just keeping NDSU off the field. At some point you're going to have to score points and, when NDSU is on the field, play defense. If UND comes out with that sort of a conservative, keep the ball away from them, game plan, NDSU will eat you alive. Do you think? Tell us more. Of course they are going to be conservative, they were conservative for 12 games last year. Darrell addressed one aspect of the game. Yes, even we minions understand that defense needs to be played too. Oh, and something called special teams (never really heard of it). 1
Gothmog Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Do you think? Tell us more. Of course they are going to be conservative, they were conservative for 12 games last year. Darrell addressed one aspect of the game. Yes, even we minions understand that defense needs to be played too. Oh, and something called special teams (never really heard of it). Go ahead play a conservative game. If you do, you'll just be playing to lose by less. You've got to take some chances to win this game, on offense and defense. To say that you're going win this game by controlling the clock is ridiculous. It won't work.
darell1976 Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Go ahead play a conservative game. If you do, you'll just be playing to lose by less. You've got to take some chances to win this game, on offense and defense. To say that you're going win this game by controlling the clock is ridiculous. It won't work. I guess we will see Sept 19th. I am so glad these games are not played on paper.
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