CMSioux Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Who are you asking the question to? Use quotes man, it makes for easier conversation. Not interested in having a conversation with you or any other SU trolls as has been shared but obviously the comprehension abilities are weak - this is a site for UND fans to discuss UND sports and having trolls drop into every conversation adds nothing of value but we do realize you need to be here to feed the perpetual inferiority complex that comes from going to the #2 university in the state. .
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 1.) Georgia Southern no longer runs the triple option. 2.) Georgia Tech is rarely relevant and has never won a national championship. 3.) The last time the military schools were effective at winning national championships with that offense, we were just finishing winning a war against Germany. There is a reason national championship teams no longer use it. Defenses are far faster and athletic than before and can effectively manage it. When teams use that offense and fall behind, it hard to come from behind. You have to be extremely deep and athletic at every position on the field in order to be effective with it. Ah that's right, they switched to a new offense. Pardon. Georgia Tech doesn't win championships but it is not the offenses fault. They wouldn't win with any offense. And while the service academies aren't competing for championships, they seem to do just fine putting points on the board. They could run any offense, they can't win. Georgia Southern proved at the very least it can be effective at this level of football. They ran up and down the field on NDSU.
Popular Post jdub27 Posted July 16, 2015 Popular Post Posted July 16, 2015 If his team had not had horribly bad luck to significant players, you could be talking about a national title in 2000 and 2001. Weird how when it happens to any other team, it is considered "part of the game". It happens to NDSU, it is nothing but "horribly bad luck". 5
Bison06 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Ah that's right, they switched to a new offense. Pardon. Georgia Tech doesn't win championships but it is not the offenses fault. They wouldn't win with any offense. And while the service academies aren't competing for championships, they seem to do just fine putting points on the board. They could run any offense, they can't win. Georgia Southern proved at the very least it can be effective at this level of football. They ran up and down the field on NDSU. Football teams' offense, defense and special teams are not played in a vacuum, they affect each other. So to say Georgia Tech doesn't win championships, but it's not the offenses fault is flawed logic IMO. It's because of the offense that they will never be a serious contender for the national championship. Sure you can put up points, but it takes time and you have in most cases no passing game. If a veer team is trying to come from behind, the game is essentially over in most cases. Having the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type of offense has it's advantages. Keeps your defense fresh, controls the TOP, but it's fatal flaw is it's lack of consistently being able to pick up explosive type plays(over 20 yards). When a veer team is getting consistently tackled for losses, which can happen a lot if they run up against an assignment sound team, they are constantly "off schedule". Veer teams don't have a lot of high percentage plays for converting a 3rd and long. None of this mentions the ultimate fatal flaw of this offense, especially in today's game, recruiting. Players want to play in a pro style, multiple type offense. They want to be able to showcase their talents in a way that has NFL scouts taking notice. Good luck trying to recruit quality receivers who will spend 90% of their career as glorified full backs.(Megatron was an anomoly) Everyone who has had criticisms of the veer/option offense is absolutely correct IMO.
darell1976 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Weird how when it happens to any other team, it is considered "part of the game". It happens to NDSU, it is nothing but "horribly bad luck". You caught that too, if our players didn't get hurt we still would've been a bad team and won a few games (Bison logic) but if Bison players didn't get hurt they could win the Super Bowl. Good comedy coming from these Bison folks.
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Football teams' offense, defense and special teams are not played in a vacuum, they affect each other. So to say Georgia Tech doesn't win championships, but it's not the offenses fault is flawed logic IMO. It's because of the offense that they will never be a serious contender for the national championship. Sure you can put up points, but it takes time and you have in most cases no passing game. If a veer team is trying to come from behind, the game is essentially over in most cases. Having the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type of offense has it's advantages. Keeps your defense fresh, controls the TOP, but it's fatal flaw is it's lack of consistently being able to pick up explosive type plays(over 20 yards). When a veer team is getting consistently tackled for losses, which can happen a lot if they run up against an assignment sound team, they are constantly "off schedule". Veer teams don't have a lot of high percentage plays for converting a 3rd and long. None of this mentions the ultimate fatal flaw of this offense, especially in today's game, recruiting. Players want to play in a pro style, multiple type offense. They want to be able to showcase their talents in a way that has NFL scouts taking notice. Good luck trying to recruit quality receivers who will spend 90% of their career as glorified full backs.(Megatron was an anomoly) Everyone who has had criticisms of the veer/option offense is absolutely correct IMO.. Demarius(sp?) Thomas
Bison06 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 . Demarius(sp?) Thomas If you want to piss into the wind and waste your time pointing the few exceptions that prove the rule, have at it.
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 If you want to piss into the wind and waste your time pointing the few exceptions that prove the rule, have at it. 2 of the top 10 or so receivers in the league come from an underrepresented offensive system. I see no reason it can't be successful, particularly at the FCS level. Just because NDSU abandoned it doesn't mean it's this awful offensive system. Mind telling us who the best team NDSU has played against in the championship years has been?
2011BisonAlumni Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 2 of the top 10 or so receivers in the league come from an underrepresented offensive system. I see no reason it can't be successful, particularly at the FCS level. Just because NDSU abandoned it doesn't mean it's this awful offensive system. Mind telling us who the best team NDSU has played against in the championship years has been? Kansas State
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Kansas State I'll rephrase. Best team at the same scholarship level.
geaux_sioux Posted July 16, 2015 Author Posted July 16, 2015 . Demarius(sp?) Thomas I think it's spelled Calvin Johnson actually
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I think it's spelled Calvin Johnson actually Lol well played
TinyTimmay Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Not interested in having a conversation with you or any other SU trolls as has been shared but obviously the comprehension abilities are weak - this is a site for UND fans to discuss UND sports and having trolls drop into every conversation adds nothing of value but we do realize you need to be here to feed the perpetual inferiority complex that comes from going to the #2 university in the state. . Fair enough
2011BisonAlumni Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I'll rephrase. Best team at the same scholarship level. Illinois State last year. A close second would be Sam Houston State in 2011.
Bison06 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 2 of the top 10 or so receivers in the league come from an underrepresented offensive system. I see no reason it can't be successful, particularly at the FCS level. Just because NDSU abandoned it doesn't mean it's this awful offensive system. Mind telling us who the best team NDSU has played against in the championship years has been? Honestly, the best team NDSU has played in the most recent championship run was Illlinois state in the championship last year. The only thing Georgia southern proved in that game against NDSU in the semifinals was Jerrick McKinnon was the best player on the field that day. If the system was what gave NDSU fits, what happened the year before when NDSU completwly shut them down?
UND1983 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 OK, guys. Time to take this over to AGS or BV. Can the mods delete the last 10-15 posts please? 2
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Honestly, the best team NDSU has played in the most recent championship run was Illlinois state in the championship last year. The only thing Georgia southern proved in that game against NDSU in the semifinals was Jerrick McKinnon was the best player on the field that day. If the system was what gave NDSU fits, what happened the year before when NDSU completwly shut them down? A couple of 4th down stops and a couple of fumbles if I recall? I think they'd have beat Illinois state but that's another worthy team. Difference of opinion is okay.
Bison06 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 OK, guys. Time to take this over to AGS or BV. Can the mods delete the last 10-15 posts please? Finally some real football talk from NDSU fans in a thread about UND and NDSU, and you think it should be taken elsewhere? 2
southpaw Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Finally some real football talk about NDSU history by NDSU fans on a UND message board, and you think it should be taken elsewhere? FYP 2
geaux_sioux Posted July 16, 2015 Author Posted July 16, 2015 Finally some real football talk from NDSU fans in a thread about UND and NDSU, and you think it should be taken elsewhere? What are your thoughts on the NDSU defense? Obviously there are massive shoes to fill, but what's your level of comfort with the guys you have filling them?
UND1983 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Finally some real football talk from NDSU fans in a thread about UND and NDSU, and you think it should be taken elsewhere? Yah. We know you love to talk about yourselves but do it somewhere else. 1
Siouxperfan7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Finally some real football talk from NDSU fans in a thread about UND and NDSU, and you think it should be taken elsewhere? Another honest question, how is the running game going to adjust with life without Crockett? Sure you have guys that can step up and be serviceable or more. But Crockett was the best runningback in school history. How much is that going to affect the Bison running game, and in turn affect the entire offense?
JohnboyND7 Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Another honest question, how is the running game going to adjust with life without Crockett? Sure you have guys that can step up and be serviceable or more. But Crockett was the best runningback in school history. How much is that going to affect the Bison running game, and in turn affect the entire offense? He wasn't the best in history. They'll do just fine. That line could make Jake Miller look like a D1 player.
Gothmog Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Another honest question, how is the running game going to adjust with life without Crockett? Sure you have guys that can step up and be serviceable or more. But Crockett was the best runningback in school history. How much is that going to affect the Bison running game, and in turn affect the entire offense? Crockett was a very good running back, but he wasn't ten feet tall. People forget that Sam Ojuri outgained Crockett every year of Crockett's career other than 2014. They didn't miss Ojuri much in 2014, and they won't miss Crockett all that much this year. Truthfully, with Frazier, Morlock, and Lance Dunn, they might even be a little better overall at the RB position. They're certainly deeper .
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