Recruiting advantage.

[Siouxperfan7]

While talking to a Bison fan in my family, I had to listen about how the Bison will have yet another nationally televised game on ESPN and how much of a recruiting advantage that is.  Which got me thinking, how much of a recruiting advantage is it?  Obviously having national exposure will help get the word out about a school and they are going to be seen as a successful program since they are in the playoffs and playing on ESPN.  But are high school kids and FBS transfers surfing the TV stations on a Friday or Saturday to see what FCS schools are playing on TV when making their decision to where they will go to school and play college football? 

 

There are many factors that go into a kids decision on where to play college football.  National exposure is a big one, but it is not the only one and maybe not necessarily the most important.  These recruits look at all sorts of variables.  Coaching staff, facilities, college campus, programs that they could major in, location.  All these things come into play when picking a college.  So while playing a game on national television will deffinitely send a message to recruits that you are a successful program, but I don't think it is the end all decision maker for a kid picking where to play college football.

 

So what is the biggest recruiting advantage that coaches use?

[JohnboyND7]

Depends on the school. Ivies, ND, Stanford use the "forty year plan", SEC uses the NFL.

Different strokes for different folks. TV exposure will never hurt though.

[UND1983]

Can't argue with the exposure, an obvious advantage.  They get to showcase their school, dome, and fans.  Then, they can go into homes and tell the kids that they play on ESPN twice a year at least, lately.  

 

That being said, it is one small factor and wears off as the recruiting process goes on.  But, it could be a tipping point when recruits look back.

[Csonked Out]

The National tit'll itself is way more of a draw than tv exposure IMHO. Once we started getting to the playoffs it will be less of an advantage

[2011BisonAlumni]

Lost track of how many nationally televised games NDSU has had over the past few years. I think it is up to 13. You also had 2 Gameday appearances in Fargo.

NDSU's recruiting classes have gotten better and better. Last year's class with Stick, might be the best NDSU has ever had. Clearly national recognition is huge for recruiting.

[Csonked Out]

Lost track of how many nationally televised games NDSU has had over the past few years. I think it is up to 13. You also had 2 Gameday appearances in Fargo.

NDSU's recruiting classes have gotten better and better. Last year's class with Stick, might be the best NDSU has ever had. Clearly national recognition is huge for recruiting.

There is no way you can say that....the class 5 years ago won 3 championships. I can't wait until UND is competitive so Bis on fans like this go away...."to many tv appearances to count"...give me a break

[UND1983]

Lost track of how many nationally televised games NDSU has had over the past few years. I think it is up to 13. You also had 2 Gameday appearances in Fargo.

NDSU's recruiting classes have gotten better and better. Last year's class with Stick, might be the best NDSU has ever had. Clearly national recognition is huge for recruiting.

 

Your classes are not getting better and better.  You need to look a little deeper, last years class started out great and then was backfilling with leftovers all January.  Hell, they offered 4 of UND's commits I believe last January.  

[JohnboyND7]

Lost track of how many nationally televised games NDSU has had over the past few years. I think it is up to 13. You also had 2 Gameday appearances in Fargo.

NDSU's recruiting classes have gotten better and better. Last year's class with Stick, might be the best NDSU has ever had. Clearly national recognition is huge for recruiting.

Doubt last year's class is the best ever. 2010 group won 3 chippers.... If they redshirted in 10, they have an opportunity for 4 chippers potentially.

Recruiting is an inexact science to say the least. For all we know about last year's class, a bunch will quit or not pan out. Few of them have ever played a meaningful snap.

[UND1983]

You can already tell their classes are down.  The Gophers get most every MN player they want now and other schools are getting in on the other MN kids.  If FBS teams offer, they are getting them now vs 5 years ago.  

 

The biggest thing is Kill is not overlooking hardly anybody.  If the kid is good at all, he is getting a PWO at the very least.

[Bison Dan]

Your classes are not getting better and better.  You need to look a little deeper, last years class started out great and then was backfilling with leftovers all January.  Hell, they offered 4 of UND's commits I believe last January.  

You sure it wasn't the whole class?  You guys bitch about the MBB team that is full of transfers but the FB team is doing the same thing right?  I think the consensus on this board that after graduating 23 seniors last year this year would be a down year.   

[The Sicatoka]

One could argue that the exposure is drawing attention of opposing coaching staffs. Those staffs aren't fools: they'll start fishing in the same ponds (see: J Kill). 

[homer]

You sure it wasn't the whole class? You guys bitch about the MBB team that is full of transfers but the FB team is doing the same thing right? I think the consensus on this board that after graduating 23 seniors last year this year would be a down year.

The whole board said that. Care to link that discussion?

The football team will bring in a couple transfers. Currently we have two or three safeties on the roster, I would be concerned if we didn't look for immediate help there. Same can be said for WR and OL.

[UND1983]

You sure it wasn't the whole class?  You guys bitch about the MBB team that is full of transfers but the FB team is doing the same thing right?  I think the consensus on this board that after graduating 23 seniors last year this year would be a down year.   

 

The football team has 16 or 17 commits and 3 of them are transfers.  That means 13 or 14 high school kids.

[UNDBIZ]

Recruiting is an inexact science to say the least. For all we know about last year's class, a bunch will quit or not pan out. Few of them have ever played a meaningful snap.

 

What an incredibly reasonable post.

[Csonked Out]

You sure it wasn't the whole class? You guys bitch about the MBB team that is full of transfers but the FB team is doing the same thing right? I think the consensus on this board that after graduating 23 seniors last year this year would be a down year.

That's because MBB has been competitive and football is terrible. When a team has 30 new players on their roster and only won 3 games previously they better have transfers just to be respectable

[UND1983]

You sure it wasn't the whole class?  You guys bitch about the MBB team that is full of transfers but the FB team is doing the same thing right?  I think the consensus on this board that after graduating 23 seniors last year this year would be a down year.   

 

 

Funny fact:  In Bohls' first D1 year at NDSU (2004) they had 8 Juco transfers and 3 FBS/D2 transfers on the roster.  Almost like he didn't like his current roster and knew he had to make immediate upgrades while developing the high school kids....  

 

Sounds familiar.  

[UNDBIZ]

Funny fact:  In Bohls' first D1 year at NDSU (2004) they had 8 Juco transfers and 3 FBS/D2 transfers on the roster.  Almost like he didn't like his current roster and knew he had to make immediate upgrades while developing the high school kids....  

 

Sounds familiar.  

 

[Siouxperman8]

One could argue that the exposure is drawing attention of opposing coaching staffs. Those staffs aren't fools: they'll start fishing in the same ponds (see: J Kill). 

On Pat Reusse's show last week he had a college football guy on (don't know who it was) and they talked about NDSUs success.  Very complimentary but spent some time talking about what might have happened if Kill was at UM two years earlier.  They figured he would have gotten many of the top talented players that SU got during Brewster's time.   

 

I know that has been discussed here regarding the past and looking forward and generally dismissed by SU faithful as sour grapes.  It was interesting to hear it from two guys with no allegiance either way and particularly from Reusse who has been very positive about SUs  on the air and in the paper. 

[Csonked Out]

On Pat Reusse's show last week he had a college football guy on (don't know who it was) and they talked about NDSUs success. Very complimentary but spent some time talking about what might have happened if Kill was at UM two years earlier. They figured he would have gotten many of the top talented players that SU got during Brewster's time.

I know that has been discussed here regarding the past and looking forward and generally dismissed by SU faithful as sour grapes. It was interesting to hear it from two guys with no allegiance either way and particularly from Reusse who has been very positive about SUs on the air and in the paper.

With UND sucking and the gophers being terrifle as well, it really was the perfect storm for them

[2011BisonAlumni]

There is no way you can say that....the class 5 years ago won 3 championships. I can't wait until UND is competitive so Bis on fans like this go away...."to many tv appearances to count"...give me a break[/quot

Scary thought for you guys, isn't it?

On paper, most talented I have seen.

We didn't have a quarterback picking NDSU over Big 10 teams in 2008 and 2009.

[homer]

Scary thought for you guys, isn't it?

On paper, most talented I have seen.

We didn't have a quarterback picking NDSU over Big 10 teams in 2008 and 2009.

 

So games are played on paper?

[geaux_sioux]

On Pat Reusse's show last week he had a college football guy on (don't know who it was) and they talked about NDSUs success. Very complimentary but spent some time talking about what might have happened if Kill was at UM two years earlier. They figured he would have gotten many of the top talented players that SU got during Brewster's time.

I know that has been discussed here regarding the past and looking forward and generally dismissed by SU faithful as sour grapes. It was interesting to hear it from two guys with no allegiance either way and particularly from Reusse who has been very positive about SUs on the air and in the paper.

Honestly there weren't that many FBS quality MN guys in those classes. Just a couple game changers.

[Csonked Out]

This is a UND forum, I could care less. Even after 3 championships you feel the need to come here and brag the program up. The results speak for themselves, they don't need your help. You have no way of know ing how good last year's class was.....that is fact

[UNDColorado]

I think it is pathetic that trolls continue to come out of the woodwork while their team is in the middle of a deep playoff run. It really blows my mind how insecure some of these fans are. 

[Siouxperman8]

Honestly there weren't that many FBS quality MN guys in those classes. Just a couple game changers.

They listed Zach Vraa, Billy Turner, Marcus Williams to start with.  Two of them are starting in the NFL I believe.  

 

I also found Paul Cornick with the Broncos and from Orono HS..  

 

I am guessing they were all FBS quality.