werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 He didn't have anything to do with whether Ohio State or Wisconsin scored that overtime goal. But it was in reference to getting to Philly and, once in the tourney, he did a decent job getting the team through the regional. And I am saying that he had nothing to do with them even getting to the regionals. Quote
burd Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 And I am saying that he had nothing to do with them even getting to the regionals. That's actually a fair point, wolf. But that was a well prepared team that went to regionals and played the gophs in philly. And it was Hak in net--you just can't tell with all the equipment they wear. 1 Quote
keikla Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I love how when the team does poorly, it's all Hak's fault. But if the team does well (the regional), it's all on the players. I'm not saying Hak is infallible by any means, but you can't have it both ways. 3 Quote
jdub27 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Beg to differ on that. How did he do such a great job when what got them there was an overtime goal in a game UND was not in? If OSU had won that game no regionals for UND. And if OSU/Wisconsin game had been earlier in the day, it would have been UND's throttling of Western Michigan that got them in. Semantics. 3 Quote
Popular Post UNDBIZ Posted April 23, 2014 Popular Post Posted April 23, 2014 That's actually a fair point, werewolfoflondon aka chicagolandsioux aka smokey the cat aka charliepic aka watchmaker aka almostheavenin2011. But that was a well prepared team that went to regionals and played the gophs in philly. And it was Hak in net--you just can't tell with all the equipment they wear. FYP 5 Quote
Snake Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Beg to differ on that. How did he do such a great job when what got them there was an overtime goal in a game UND was not in? If OSU had won that game no regionals for UND. So it was only the result of the OSU/Wisco game that got them there and not the body of work over the entire regular season? If the Big 10 championship game had been played in the afternoon and the 3rd place game against WMU had been played at night, would we then say they "won their way in?" Quote
siouxjoy Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 FYP FINALLY! I have been waiting for someone to point that out. Quote
UNDBIZ Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 FINALLY! I have been waiting for someone to point that out. Well I'm glad I wasn't the only one growing suspicious.... Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 And if OSU/Wisconsin game had been earlier in the day, it would have been UND's throttling of Western Michigan that got them in. Semantics. Very good point. I did not think of it that way. Quote
keikla Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Well I'm glad I wasn't the only one growing suspicious.... Haha I'm pretty sure most of the regulars could already tell. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 That's actually a fair point, wolf. But that was a well prepared team that went to regionals and played the gophs in philly. And it was Hak in net--you just can't tell with all the equipment they wear. That was the best prepared team that played the rodents that I have seen in a long time. The also were ready for WMU. Ferris was one of those so so ones. But that rodent game was one of Hakstols best prepared coaching jobs I think he almost has ever had. They looked different than they had all season. 1 Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 So it was only the result of the OSU/Wisco game that got them there and not the body of work over the entire regular season? If the Big 10 championship game had been played in the afternoon and the 3rd place game against WMU had been played at night, would we then say they "won their way in?" OK now you have me wondering. Would they have gotten in still by beating WMU and OSU winning? I thought the Badgers had to win for UND to get in. Am I off here? Quote
Snake Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 OK now you have me wondering. Would they have gotten in still by beating WMU and OSU winning? I thought the Badgers had to win for UND to get in. Am I off here? No, they wouldn't have made it had OSU won...that's not what I was getting at. I'm more or less alluding to the point jdub27 also made. Had the results been the same, if the games had been played at different times we may not have perceived this team as "backing into" the playoffs. The PWR shook out as it did due to the entire body of work throughout the season. It didn't *only* come down to UW beating OSU for UND to make the tournament. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 No, they wouldn't have made it had OSU won...that's not what I was getting at. I'm more or less alluding to the point jdub27 also made. Had the results been the same, if the games had been played at different times we may not have perceived this team as "backing into" the playoffs. The PWR shook out as it did due to the entire body of work throughout the season. It didn't *only* come down to UW beating OSU for UND to make the tournament. Very good point. It seems that we took a bigger hit in the PWR not from so much what we did but what the rest of the league did. Quote
yzerman19 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Very good point. It seems that we took a bigger hit in the PWR not from so much what we did but what the rest of the league did. Correct- the weakness of the NCHC's non-conference record collectively hurt us. The draft pick argument is silly...first rounders should be really good...second rounders are good but have a slight knock of some kind...third round are projects that you might get lucky on...after that...not much difference between a guy who gets drafted late vs a guy who doesn't get drafted but can play. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Correct- the weakness of the NCHC's non-conference record collectively hurt us. The draft pick argument is silly...first rounders should be really good...second rounders are good but have a slight knock of some kind...third round are projects that you might get lucky on...after that...not much difference between a guy who gets drafted late vs a guy who doesn't get drafted but can play. It would be fun to see a breakdown by round as to how players did in the end. Quote
Old Barn Guy at Home Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 And I am saying that he had nothing to do with them even getting to the regionals. So many fans are quick to blame the head coach for anything that goes wrong. So here is an instance where maybe, just maybe, the guy who was in charge of putting this team together and for getting the most out of their abilities, should get the credit for GETTING them there! Don't fool yourself, there probably isn't a coach or coaching staff in D1 NCAA hockey that could have done what Hak and his staff did this year. I feel this team was the weakest Sioux hockey team I have ever seen (going back into the 60's), but somebody got them to gel and perform.....and that someone is Hak! Quote
petey23 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 It would be fun to see a breakdown by round as to how players did in the end. Cool tool on hockeydb.com Search a player, click his draft year if he was drafted and you can see all the draft picks and their NHL stats.....if they have any. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Cool tool on hockeydb.com Search a player, click his draft year if he was drafted and you can see all the draft picks and their NHL stats.....if they have any. Thanks. Amazing the difference between the first and second round for playing in the NHL. After the second it drops really fast. It seems that between the third and seventh not a heck of a lot of difference. Quote
yzerman19 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I was just looking at first round busts...take our rodent friends David Fischer or Patrick White Those guys would've been better off signing contracts on draft day and going to the CHL...they would've gotten first round signing bonuses at least... Quote
Fetch Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Reading stuff like this make me wish we had a AHL team I could really become a. fan & would love to see players in that level or stage in their careers Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 Reading stuff like this make me wish we had a AHL team I could really become a. fan & would love to see players in that level or stage in their careers You are still hanging onto that fantasy? That wouldn't work in Grand Forks with college hockey sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Quote
Big A HG Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 Reading stuff like this make me wish we had a AHL team I could really become a. fan & would love to see players in that level or stage in their careers The AHL is a great league. I used to catch quite a few Milwaukee Admirals games. The pace of the game is similar to the college level, only with more skilled guys. Plus, there are usually tons of former college kids playing which is a bonus. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 24, 2014 Author Posted April 24, 2014 The AHL is a great league. I used to catch quite a few Milwaukee Admirals games. The pace of the game is similar to the college level, only with more skilled guys. Plus, there are usually tons of former college kids playing which is a bonus. I like the ECHL game myself. Quote
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