MissSioux85 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Come on what is the new numbers? College Hockey News app says UND is tied for 10th with Providence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 College Hockey News app says UND is tied for 10th with Providence No movement? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxu31 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 No movement? Thank you. Technically we lose the tie breaker to Providence and drop to 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 So, RPI and other power indicators apply in hockey, but not basketball?!?! Got it--thanks!! What a joke and a bunch of hypocrits!! St. Cloud State is better than UND in Hockey because they beat UND!! Its an apples to oranges comparison. The power ranking apply to tournament selections different in the two sports you are desperately trying to compare. The RPI for hockey is an accurate indicator of who is going to make the NCAA tournament with the exception of any teams outside the top 16 who win their conference tournament. FU has an RPI ranking in the 30s but if they didn't win the Summit tournament, no chance they were getting an at large bid. Also, I haven't read too many posts on here by anyone saying UND is a better hockey team than St. Cloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Technically we lose the tie breaker to Providence and drop to 11. yep, simply put providence beat a better opponent and got a bigger bump in RPI than UND did. one bright side of winning last night was not losing as had UND had their RPI would have taken a major hit. win tonight and stay where they are or maybe move up a spot or two depending on what providence and notre dame do. lose and they could possibly fall to that 14-17 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yep, falling a bit with the win should be no surprise. If you look at the chart I posted, UND stands a decent chance of falling even with two wins. We're still in much better shape than the near catastrophic outcome we would have seen with zero wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Down now to 15.......can't see withstanding anything short of 2 more wins....and then by the hair of the teeth and needing help......it's one and done season...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Quick calculations should have us cheering for Sunday wins from........ UND....of course Clarkson BC.....I just threw up a little New Hampshire UMass Loweell Bentley & Air Force although not as big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 What happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 Looks like UND leaves the weekend #13 with a win or #17 with a loss. Would be hard, but not impossible, to climb into an at large bid from #17 without playing anymore games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 That was my point. You have some or most posters here taking the position the UND's MBB is better than NDSU's because UND beat us head-to-head. Then as the season progresses and NDSU clearly becomes the better team (RPI and other rankings) and the Summit League is clearly rated ahead of the BSC, most UND fans say RPI and power rankings don't matter. We beat you head-to-head so that doesn't matter, and conference power rankings don't take into consideration the "eye" test or silly things like that. That's why I say St. Cloud State is better than UND in hockey--using UND logic to get there!! What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and, in this case, I'll go with that!! Don't you have a life? Why would you care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808287 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 #13 it is, thanks Jim. We'll take it. Waiting for your analysis of 1 win vs. 2 next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieheckler Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids. I'm not finding scenarios where we win, then lose, and still get in without a first round loss by Mankato or UM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'm not finding scenarios where we win, then lose, and still get in without a first round loss by Mankato or UM. How about any scenarios where SCSU watches the NCAA's instead of resting up for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieheckler Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 How about any scenarios where SCSU watches the NCAA's instead of resting up for them? I can get them to 12th, but never in scenarios where the are enough auto-qualifiers to displace them. I think they are safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids. I was able to run a predictor that had UND losing to Miami, as well as both Michigan and Mankato winning their first game and still got UND in at #14 (assuming UND won the 3rd place game and no other conf upsets). Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Mercyhurst def. CanisiusAtlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Niagara def. Robert MorrisAtlantic Hockey Championship: Mercyhurst def. NiagaraBig Ten Semifinal #1: Minnesota def. Michigan StateBig Ten Semifinal #2: Wisconsin def. MichiganBig Ten Championship: Minnesota def. WisconsinBig Ten Play-in #1: Michigan def. Penn StateBig Ten Play-in #2: Michigan State def. Ohio StateECAC Semifinal #1: Union def. CornellECAC Semifinal #2: Quinnipiac def. ColgateECAC Championship: Union def. QuinnipiacHockey East Semifinal #1: Notre Dame def. Mass.-LowellHockey East Semifinal #2: Providence def. New HampshireHockey East Championship: Notre Dame def. ProvidenceNCHC Semifinal #1: Miami def. North DakotaNCHC Semifinal #2: Denver def. Western MichiganNCHC Championship: Miami def. DenverNCHC Consolation: North Dakota def. Western MichiganWCHA Semifinal #1: Ferris State def. Alaska-AnchorageWCHA Semifinal #2: Minnesota State def. Bowling GreenWCHA Championship: Ferris State def. Minnesota State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Schlossman's take: There’s a very good chance that UND will need to win both games to get in. http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=97220 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My take of what is most likely to happen if UND beats Miami and loses to Denver in the championship game. They still get in with the last spot. Your Picks Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Robert Morris defeats NiagaraSemifinal #1: Mercyhurst defeats CanisiusChampionship game: Robert Morris defeats Mercyhurst Big TenPlay-in #2: Michigan defeats Penn StatePlay-in #1: Michigan State defeats Ohio StateSemifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats MichiganSemifinal #1: Minnesota defeats Michigan StateChampionship game: Minnesota defeats Wisconsin ECACSemifinal #2: Quinnipiac defeats ColgateSemifinal #1: Union defeats CornellChampionship game: Quinnipiac defeats Union Hockey EastSemifinal #2: Providence defeats New HampshireSemifinal #1: Notre Dame defeats Massachusetts-LowellChampionship game: Notre Dame defeats Providence NCHC [*]Semifinal #2: Denver defeats Western Michigan [*]Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Miami [*]Consolation game: Miami defeats Western Michigan [*]Championship game: Denver defeats North Dakota WCHA [*]Semifinal #2: Minnesota State defeats Bowling Green [*]Semifinal #1: Ferris State defeats Alaska-Anchorage [*]Championship game: Ferris State defeats Minnesota State Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/#ixzz2wE3x8DNc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Let's just win 2 games and not even worry about the Pariwise! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Let's just win 2 games and not even worry about the Pariwise! Like button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeazSioux Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Let's just win 2 games and not even worry about the Pariwise! Exactly. Go SIOUX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My take of what is most likely to happen if UND beats Miami and loses to Denver in the championship game. They still get in with the last spot. Your Picks Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Robert Morris defeats NiagaraSemifinal #1: Mercyhurst defeats CanisiusChampionship game: Robert Morris defeats Mercyhurst Big TenPlay-in #2: Michigan defeats Penn StatePlay-in #1: Michigan State defeats Ohio StateSemifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats MichiganSemifinal #1: Minnesota defeats Michigan StateChampionship game: Minnesota defeats Wisconsin ECACSemifinal #2: Quinnipiac defeats ColgateSemifinal #1: Union defeats CornellChampionship game: Quinnipiac defeats Union Hockey EastSemifinal #2: Providence defeats New HampshireSemifinal #1: Notre Dame defeats Massachusetts-LowellChampionship game: Notre Dame defeats Providence NCHC [*]Semifinal #2: Denver defeats Western Michigan [*]Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Miami [*]Consolation game: Miami defeats Western Michigan [*]Championship game: Denver defeats North Dakota WCHA [*]Semifinal #2: Minnesota State defeats Bowling Green [*]Semifinal #1: Ferris State defeats Alaska-Anchorage [*]Championship game: Ferris State defeats Minnesota State Read more: http://www.uscho.com.../#ixzz2wE3x8DNc I don't see Robert Morris winning a game in the Atlantic Hockey tournament, unfortunately. How does that shake things up if Niagara or Mercyhurst wins the tournament? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I don't see Robert Morris winning a game in the Atlantic Hockey tournament, unfortunately. How does that shake things up if Niagara or Mercyhurst wins the tournament? the results of the AHA tournament will have no impact on UND's situation. the winner will get an auto bid and that is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 the results of the AHA tournament will have no impact on UND's situation. the winner will get an auto bid and that is it. Kinda figured that...I really don't see Minnesota or Ferris State losing their respective tournaments. Quinnipiac looks tough as well. Hockey East could be anybody's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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