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So, RPI and other power indicators apply in hockey, but not basketball?!?! Got it--thanks!! What a joke and a bunch of hypocrits!!

St. Cloud State is better than UND in Hockey because they beat UND!!

Its an apples to oranges comparison. The power ranking apply to tournament selections different in the two sports you are desperately trying to compare. The RPI for hockey is an accurate indicator of who is going to make the NCAA tournament with the exception of any teams outside the top 16 who win their conference tournament.

FU has an RPI ranking in the 30s but if they didn't win the Summit tournament, no chance they were getting an at large bid.

Also, I haven't read too many posts on here by anyone saying UND is a better hockey team than St. Cloud.

Posted

Technically we lose the tie breaker to Providence and drop to 11.

yep, simply put providence beat a better opponent and got a bigger bump in RPI than UND did. one bright side of winning last night was not losing as had UND had their RPI would have taken a major hit. win tonight and stay where they are or maybe move up a spot or two depending on what providence and notre dame do. lose and they could possibly fall to that 14-17 range.

Posted

Yep, falling a bit with the win should be no surprise. If you look at the chart I posted, UND stands a decent chance of falling even with two wins.

We're still in much better shape than the near catastrophic outcome we would have seen with zero wins.

Posted

Quick calculations should have us cheering for Sunday wins from........

UND....of course

Clarkson

BC.....I just threw up a little

New Hampshire

UMass Loweell

Bentley & Air Force although not as big

Posted

Looks like UND leaves the weekend #13 with a win or #17 with a loss. Would be hard, but not impossible, to climb into an at large bid from #17 without playing anymore games.

Posted

That was my point. You have some or most posters here taking the position the UND's MBB is better than NDSU's because UND beat us head-to-head. Then as the season progresses and NDSU clearly becomes the better team (RPI and other rankings) and the Summit League is clearly rated ahead of the BSC, most UND fans say RPI and power rankings don't matter. We beat you head-to-head so that doesn't matter, and conference power rankings don't take into consideration the "eye" test or silly things like that.

That's why I say St. Cloud State is better than UND in hockey--using UND logic to get there!!

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and, in this case, I'll go with that!!

Don't you have a life? Why would you care?

Posted

A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids.

Posted

A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids.

I'm not finding scenarios where we win, then lose, and still get in without a first round loss by Mankato or UM.

Posted

I'm not finding scenarios where we win, then lose, and still get in without a first round loss by Mankato or UM.

How about any scenarios where SCSU watches the NCAA's instead of resting up for them?

Posted

How about any scenarios where SCSU watches the NCAA's instead of resting up for them?

I can get them to 12th, but never in scenarios where the are enough auto-qualifiers to displace them. I think they are safe.

Posted

A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids.

I was able to run a predictor that had UND losing to Miami, as well as both Michigan and Mankato winning their first game and still got UND in at #14 (assuming UND won the 3rd place game and no other conf upsets).

  • Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Mercyhurst def. Canisius
  • Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Niagara def. Robert Morris
  • Atlantic Hockey Championship: Mercyhurst def. Niagara
  • Big Ten Semifinal #1: Minnesota def. Michigan State
  • Big Ten Semifinal #2: Wisconsin def. Michigan
  • Big Ten Championship: Minnesota def. Wisconsin
  • Big Ten Play-in #1: Michigan def. Penn State
  • Big Ten Play-in #2: Michigan State def. Ohio State
  • ECAC Semifinal #1: Union def. Cornell
  • ECAC Semifinal #2: Quinnipiac def. Colgate
  • ECAC Championship: Union def. Quinnipiac
  • Hockey East Semifinal #1: Notre Dame def. Mass.-Lowell
  • Hockey East Semifinal #2: Providence def. New Hampshire
  • Hockey East Championship: Notre Dame def. Providence
  • NCHC Semifinal #1: Miami def. North Dakota
  • NCHC Semifinal #2: Denver def. Western Michigan
  • NCHC Championship: Miami def. Denver
  • NCHC Consolation: North Dakota def. Western Michigan
  • WCHA Semifinal #1: Ferris State def. Alaska-Anchorage
  • WCHA Semifinal #2: Minnesota State def. Bowling Green
  • WCHA Championship: Ferris State def. Minnesota State

Posted

My take of what is most likely to happen if UND beats Miami and loses to Denver in the championship game. They still get in with the last spot.

Your Picks

Atlantic Hockey

  • Semifinal #2: Robert Morris defeats Niagara
  • Semifinal #1: Mercyhurst defeats Canisius
  • Championship game: Robert Morris defeats Mercyhurst

    Big Ten
    • Play-in #2: Michigan defeats Penn State
    • Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Ohio State
    • Semifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats Michigan
    • Semifinal #1: Minnesota defeats Michigan State
    • Championship game: Minnesota defeats Wisconsin

      ECAC
      • Semifinal #2: Quinnipiac defeats Colgate
      • Semifinal #1: Union defeats Cornell
      • Championship game: Quinnipiac defeats Union

        Hockey East

        • Semifinal #2: Providence defeats New Hampshire
        • Semifinal #1: Notre Dame defeats Massachusetts-Lowell
        • Championship game: Notre Dame defeats Providence

        NCHC

        [*]Semifinal #2: Denver defeats Western Michigan

        [*]Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Miami

        [*]Consolation game: Miami defeats Western Michigan

        [*]Championship game: Denver defeats North Dakota

        WCHA

        [*]Semifinal #2: Minnesota State defeats Bowling Green

        [*]Semifinal #1: Ferris State defeats Alaska-Anchorage

        [*]Championship game: Ferris State defeats Minnesota State

        Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-predictor/#ixzz2wE3x8DNc

Posted

My take of what is most likely to happen if UND beats Miami and loses to Denver in the championship game. They still get in with the last spot.

Your Picks

Atlantic Hockey

  • Semifinal #2: Robert Morris defeats Niagara
  • Semifinal #1: Mercyhurst defeats Canisius
  • Championship game: Robert Morris defeats Mercyhurst

    Big Ten
    • Play-in #2: Michigan defeats Penn State
    • Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Ohio State
    • Semifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats Michigan
    • Semifinal #1: Minnesota defeats Michigan State
    • Championship game: Minnesota defeats Wisconsin

      ECAC
      • Semifinal #2: Quinnipiac defeats Colgate
      • Semifinal #1: Union defeats Cornell
      • Championship game: Quinnipiac defeats Union

        Hockey East

        • Semifinal #2: Providence defeats New Hampshire
        • Semifinal #1: Notre Dame defeats Massachusetts-Lowell
        • Championship game: Notre Dame defeats Providence

        NCHC

        [*]Semifinal #2: Denver defeats Western Michigan

        [*]Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Miami

        [*]Consolation game: Miami defeats Western Michigan

        [*]Championship game: Denver defeats North Dakota

        WCHA

        [*]Semifinal #2: Minnesota State defeats Bowling Green

        [*]Semifinal #1: Ferris State defeats Alaska-Anchorage

        [*]Championship game: Ferris State defeats Minnesota State

        Read more: http://www.uscho.com.../#ixzz2wE3x8DNc

        I don't see Robert Morris winning a game in the Atlantic Hockey tournament, unfortunately. How does that shake things up if Niagara or Mercyhurst wins the tournament?

Posted

I don't see Robert Morris winning a game in the Atlantic Hockey tournament, unfortunately. How does that shake things up if Niagara or Mercyhurst wins the tournament?

the results of the AHA tournament will have no impact on UND's situation. the winner will get an auto bid and that is it.

Posted

the results of the AHA tournament will have no impact on UND's situation. the winner will get an auto bid and that is it.

Kinda figured that...I really don't see Minnesota or Ferris State losing their respective tournaments. Quinnipiac looks tough as well. Hockey East could be anybody's game.

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