UND-FB-FAN Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Here's the deal. It really doesn't matter who gets the job as long as they can recruit some high level talent (the players play the game, not the coaches). Also, whoever secures the job isn't going to turn this mess around in one year but will probably need at least 3 years to get us back to a competitive level. P.S. Everybody have a nice Christmas and "GO FIGHTING SIOUX"! UND has had talent...too bad a bunch of it just transferred away. Nevertheless, the point is this team has had more issues than just sub-par talent. No discipline and "fire" from the players would be a start. On top of that, Big Sky coaches were "out-coaching" the former staff all the time it seemed. Players were out of position on defense quite often, and there was no physicality to the offense - just the ability to give the ball away to the other team. Those sort of things go beyond just the players; the coaches need to establish a winning culture. But, of course, recruiting is very very important as well, and I think Bubba understands the type of athletes that DI football requires from his time at Southern Illinois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 He was DC for 5 years before bolting to UMD. What am I missing here? Seems like loyalty shouldn't be a deciding factor. He was an assistant coach at UND for a decade prior to getting the DC job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreNorthDakota Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 He was an assistant coach at UND for a decade prior to getting the DC job. I'm aware of that but he still took a chance to move up after 5 years in a position. I'm guessing as a defensive assistant at D2 school he didn't have too many opportunities to move up. That changed when he had success as a DC and he left when he had a chance. I don't think Bubba is necessarily any more loyal than Deboer would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Where did anyone get the idea that UND, or any FCS school, is a destination? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm aware of that but he still took a chance to move up after 5 years in a position. I'm guessing as a defensive assistant at D2 school he didn't have too many opportunities to move up. That changed when he had success as a DC and he left when he had a chance. I don't think Bubba is necessarily any more loyal than Deboer would be. I'm going to vehemently disagree with you on this...1000% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 He was DC for 5 years before bolting to UMD. What am I missing here? Seems like loyalty shouldn't be a deciding factor. I believe Bubba was at UND from 1989-2003. I might be off a year or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm aware of that but he still took a chance to move up after 5 years in a position. I'm guessing as a defensive assistant at D2 school he didn't have too many opportunities to move up. That changed when he had success as a DC and he left when he had a chance. I don't think Bubba is necessarily any more loyal than Deboer would be. He didn't leave to become DC at UMD, he left to become a HEAD COACH. Now am I saying he'd stay even after going undefeated for 3 straight years? Of course not. But, like Bohl at ndsu, it would take more than $25k to make him leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I agree Here's the deal. It really doesn't matter who gets the job as long as they can recruit some high level talent (the players play the game, not the coaches). Also, whoever secures the job isn't going to turn this mess around in one year but will probably need at least 3 years to get us back to a competitive level. P.S. Everybody have a nice Christmas and "GO FIGHTING SIOUX"! Agree. Regardless of who the coach is, this is a 2-3 year rebuild project. If we get 5-6 wins next year, I'll be ecstatic. Not because I have low expectations for this program, because that's the reality of the situation we are in. We will need some patience to turn it around. (cue axl) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm going to vehemently disagree with you on this...1000% i'll second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBAlum Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Agree with both Vince and Eric… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hasn't Bubba already bolted after having some success? Why would it be any different this time around? Regardless, that should not be a factor. If the guy we hire is so successful that he has a chance to move up to a bigger job then UND football will be in a much better place than it is today and that's all we can ask out of our head coach. ^^^^ This. I don't really care that we are not hiring a "name" coach...I would much rather our next Coach make a name for himself here and if a higher program pulls him out of here after 4 or 5 years that will have meant he was successful here and the culture has changed and he also likely would be surrounded by exceptional coaching talent and the next coach would already likely be on staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woden Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 ^^^^ This. I don't really care that we are not hiring a "name" coach...I would much rather our next Coach make a name for himself here and if a higher program pulls him out of here after 4 or 5 years that will have meant he was successful here and the culture has changed and he also likely would be surrounded by exceptional coaching talent and the next coach would already likely be on staff. So you'd want to be on the verge of a third consecutive national championship and have your coach leave? I, much like what seems like a majority of the posters in this thread, would prefer to wallow in mediocrity with someone who is loyal to UND and will stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 So you'd want to be on the verge of a third consecutive national championship and have your coach leave? I, much like what seems like a majority of the posters in this thread, would prefer to wallow in mediocrity with someone who is loyal to UND and will stick around. Aye, that's the rub in a nutshell. Hell with nattys, we want one of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 So you'd want to be on the verge of a third consecutive national championship and have your coach leave? I, much like what seems like a majority of the posters in this thread, would prefer to wallow in mediocrity with someone who is loyal to UND and will stick around. Hope that's some verbal irony, otherwise that might be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Rather have someone loyal then back-to-back national championships? Long time coaches don't exist in the FCS unless they're mediocre. So saying goodbye to a FCS head coach after five years usually means your program is really good or really bad. In our case, we're really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witt Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I will say this this year bubbas defense was better than DeBoers offense at SIU. Are you talking about 2013? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 SIU total offense ranked 58 vs total defense of 40 in FCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 SIU total offense ranked 58 vs total defense of 40 in FCS. UND: 66 (offense) and 90 (defense) last year according to Darell's post earlier today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witt Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Oh ok. Since it's such a good conference....I tend to look at how each side rates versus the rest of the conference itself (due to their conference strength versus the rest of the FCS). Plenty of offenses and defenses rank higher in the country due to playing in lesser conferences and competition. Valley Offense: PPG 28.5 (4th), YPG 385 (3) Defense: PPG 25.2 (5th), YPG 362 (6) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Yeah that's probably a better way to look at it. I guess another "point" for DeBoer vs Bubba? They are hiring based on a point scale after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Point bubba! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Might be a pipe dream but it really would be nice to get both. Anyone know how much these two make at SIU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 So when do have an anti-climax? Monday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 bubba for head! hoffner/deboer oc Schmidt dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Bring back Bubba Back Bubba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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