Conference Realignments - Take 2

[FSSD]

You can see that in many ways the Summit League has passed the MVC outside of UIC.  This comment is in reference to school profile.

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

8 minutes ago, FSSD said:

You can see that in many ways the Summit League has passed the MVC outside of UIC.  This comment is in reference to school profile.

 

haha..before i clicked for page 300 i was gonna say.......now do the mvc!

this is what i was trying to do with population (non-metro!) and endowments....

This is what Fenton needs to be selling to a few football playing MVC members...msu, nia, drake.....

Nice work on the spreadsheets!

[SIOUXFAN97]

15 minutes ago, FSSD said:

It is interesting to see the changes in the Summit League over the last 20 years.  Today the best ways to describe the Summit League:

• National Research Universities (R1 or R2) - R&D Exp $25 million to $165 million
• Flagship Universities (Rural) / Urban (Public/Private)
• Academic Spending over $200 million to $500 million
• US News National Rank (100 to 300)
• Med School, Law School, or Land Grant

 These are the schools that the tSL should be considering as future members.

Currently, the only outlier on this is Oral Roberts.

 

did not know that oral bob was that "bad".....

[The Sicatoka]

@FSSD does your magic spreadsheet have BSC and MAC and MWC data?  

[SIOUXFAN97]

16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

@FSSD does your magic spreadsheet have BSC and MAC and MWC data?  

great question!!

[FSSD]

Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:

great question!!

It has some parts..  and I believe that it is a bit dated.  I can check it out tonight and post.

[SIOUXFAN97]

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/mcfeely-missouri-state-president-says-fbs-in-schools-future-but-offers-no-details

If only the Mountain West or American Athletic Conference would call NDSU, we could be having these fun "what-ifs" in Fargo.

mcfooly is an idiot...

but this article shows that fenton needs to leverage Summit Football NOW.......mvfc members are bitches to the mvc...time to take the football and go home.

[The Sicatoka]

MoiSt is shopping itself ... to the south. 

McFeely is click baiting NDSU folks.

That is all. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

MoiSt is shopping itself ... to the south. 

McFeely is click baiting NDSU folks.

That is all. 

but if their path to FBS is thru the North........so be it!

[SIOUXFAN97]

since the summit is one school away to becoming the old NCC maybe they could rebrand as the The North Conference or the NC and use GOT themes across the conference...play the song "a song of ice and fire" before every conference match........have a direwolf as the conference logo....all the ushers at the betty could be dressed like serving wenches....fenton could rule from the iron throne.

so many possibiites.

[SIOUXFAN97]

drake's conference status is more confusing than und's!!!!! one call from fenton and that would be fixed!!!!!!!!!!

The Drake Bulldogs are the intercollegiate athletics teams that represent Drake University, located in Des Moines, Iowa, United States. The Bulldogs' athletic program is a member of the Missouri Valley Conference (MVC) ^[3] and competes at the NCAA Division I level.^[4] Drake also sponsors teams in the Pioneer Football League, Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference, and Summit League. Drake's live bulldog mascot is Griff II; the costumed mascot is Spike; and the school colors are blue and white.

[JohnboyND7]

6 hours ago, FSSD said:

It is interesting to see the changes in the Summit League over the last 20 years.  Today the best ways to describe the Summit League:

• National Research Universities (R1 or R2) - R&D Exp $25 million to $165 million
• Flagship Universities (Rural) / Urban (Public/Private)
• Academic Spending over $200 million to $500 million
• US News National Rank (100 to 300)
• Med School, Law School, or Land Grant

 These are the schools that the tSL should be considering as future members.

Currently, the only outlier on this is Oral Roberts.

 

Thats a pleasant surprise NDSU had a bigger endowment than UND. 

[FSSD]

Maybe they should reach out to Colorado School of Mines - R1 School just outside of Denver.  Of course, they would need to workout a few historical issues.  But, I have to say - I am all in favor of a school that wants to blow DU up (I kid sort of).

Colorado School of Mines - University of Denver War[edit]

Tensions between the Colorado School of Mines and University of Denver, locked in a bitter rivalry, boiled over in 1919 when the Orediggers heard of a plot to deface the M. In retaliation to the plot, students from the Colorado School of Mines planted bundles of dynamite on the DU campus which, when detonated in the early morning, blew out windows in many buildings, and cracked the DU administration building.^[15] The chancellor of DU stated "“If all the dynamite planted on our campus had exploded simultaneously, it would have knocked down our buildings and destroyed life."^[16] Posters were found across the DU campus stating "Get DU and then what? Give 'Em hell Mines." In the evening of the bombing, students left DU with crimson paint, the school colors of the University of Denver, to paint the M. Expecting an response from DU, the Colorado School of Mines had set up a patrols on Mount Zion, and after a brief gunfight, the DU students were captured. No one was injured. The prisoners were kept in the basement of various fraternity houses where their foreheads were branded with silver nitrate in the shape of an M. The students of the School of Mines also lured an Denver Post reporter who was subjected to the same treatment, less the branding, for his supposed slanderous reporting.

The Colorado School of Mines students paraded their prisoners down the streets of Golden, and implemented armed patrols of Mount Zion, claiming the right to search all vehicles for concealed DU students. CSM President, Victor C. Alderson, gave official sanction to the actions of the Colorado School of Mines students, however the Colorado governor, Oliver Shoup asked the schools to seek an truce. Representatives from both schools agreed to an cease and opted for a game of football to settle the conflict. The game was played on a blizzardy day, and resulted in an 0-0 tie.^[15] The disgruntled DU students later planted dynamite on the M, but misplacement led to only a small part of the M being damaged. Colorado School of Mines students contemplated kidnapping select DU students to act as the manual labor to repair the M, but it was never seen through due to the grand jury investigation, and the possibility of mutually assured destruction.

[SIOUXFAN97]

sounds like 8 acc schools all want to say "f it and walk away as free agents"...wonder how quickly this goes down.

[Sioux>Bison]

On 5/15/2023 at 9:03 AM, nodak651 said:

Just found this... super in-depth rundown on the history of the NCC.  Pretty incredible how often the Dakota schools have flirted with the Montanas and Idaho.  The guy has a rundown on the history of every single conference.  Edit: not every conference, but worth checking out his channel.

 

We need the NCC back in order to survive 

[Sioux>Bison]

On 5/15/2023 at 10:02 AM, zonadub said:

Honest question, ‘cuz I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…

 

What is the difference between UNI, UNC and UMKC and Omaha? Aren’t they basically the same except they are located in large cities, so the city becomes their name rather than UWM (University of Western Missouri) and UEN (University of Eastern Nebraska)?

The MVC is a better conference than the summit. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

58 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

The MVC is a better conference than the summit. 

what's the maths that gets you to that assessment?

[The Sicatoka]

7 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

sounds like 8 acc schools all want to say "f it and walk away as free agents"...wonder how quickly this goes down.

From what I read the grant of (media) rights the ACC has is as tight of a contract as you'll find and will be hard to get out of. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

9 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

From what I read the grant of (media) rights the ACC has is as tight of a contract as you'll find and will be hard to get out of. 

but if all 12 agree to make it a free for all.......sounds like they are at 8 already

[nodak651]

https://kcroos.com/news/2023/5/15/general-kansas-city-athletics-begins-next-step-in-elevation-explores-new-on-campus-arena.aspx

[The Sicatoka]

Money talks.

 

[zonadub]

So how much would the PAC 12 have to distribute to get USC and UCLA to change their minds? Know it won’t happen, but guesses? It would be offset by less travel. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 hours ago, zonadub said:

So how much would the PAC 12 have to distribute to get USC and UCLA to change their minds? Know it won’t happen, but guesses? It would be offset by less travel. 

nothing..it's money and prestige....no one turns down a big 10 offer

[The Sicatoka]

The B1G number is going from 58 to almost 100. 

Between that kind of cash, plus the BTAA, the only way you'll see someone leave the B1G is out the back door by the bouncer. 

[The Sicatoka]

IF (<- big IF) the B1G called and asked UND to be part of the BTHC it'd be hard not to take it if nothing else to put the B1G logo on the website and jersey for the instant marketing.