Conference Realignments - Take 2

[Siouxperman8]

2 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Does this have traction anywhere outside this board?

Pat Reusse mentioned it on Saturday on AM1500 with Russo.  He stated that they want UND for hockey but UND would want big $$ based on B1G tv deal

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

20 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Maybe it was in reference to the Big Sky phone app.

haha...forgot about that exciting annoncement.

[cberkas]

20 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Does this have traction anywhere outside this board?

The only other people talking about it started well after it was brought up here.

[cberkas]

42 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

i still thinks back to haydu's cryptic tweet last summer about "exciting times" ahead for und athletics...people tried to say it was the tv deal, or new uni's, or new video boards at betty?

wonder if it was conference related?

If I remember right is was hype about nothing.

[Rebel_Sioux]

2 minutes ago, cberkas said:

The only other people talking about it started well after it was brought up here.

The only source I've found is one journalist for the Gopher's magazine. Everyone else is citing him and stating their opinions. 

[cberkas]

2 minutes ago, Rebel_Sioux said:

The only source I've found is one journalist for the Gopher's magazine. Everyone else is citing him and stating their opinions. 

Just Western Michigan and Miami talking about it.

Brad pretty much shot it down and said the guy had a lot of things wrong.

[The Sicatoka]

21 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Pat Reusse mentioned it on Saturday on AM1500 with Russo.  He stated that they want UND for hockey but UND would want big $$ based on B1G tv deal

Well, ... uh, ... yeah. 

The news there isn't the bolded portion; it's that Reusse would say it. If it were internet fantasy and pure poppycock he wouldn't bring it up. 

[jacksfan29]

19 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Grand Canyon? Gross

We agree on something. Cool. The talk of GCU is scary. They are a for profit school who have already settled one, very large lawsuit accusing them of being a diploma mill, admitting and graduating people academically unqualified to make more money. They are the University of Phoenix with an athletic department and a single campus. No thank you.

I see people make fun of IUPUI and now they want GCU? IUPUI is a large university with a $600 million endowment. They are considered to be a very solid academic institution and are home of the IU medical school and law school.

University's should still be about education first, athletics second. Grand Canyon? Gross... understatement of the year.

[SWSiouxMN]

Say no to GCU

I can't see any of the MNSCU school moving anytime soon.

But we shall see if these dominoes even get this far.

[SiouxVolley]

Seems like the MVFC taking UND was a way to get Murray St in seamlessly.  I'm sure Murray St doesn't want to travel with fb to the Dakotas more than once a year, so the MVFC wanted informal divisions so that wouldn't happen.  That was probably talked about well before Wichita St left.  Getting in a new state opens up the whole state of Kentucky to a little MVC coverage.

The Racers have FBS games against Louisville and Georgia coming up that pay well, so they wouldn't drop to non-scholarship or they lose out on those paydays.  See Murray St as sort of mirror reflection of Southern Illinois-Carbondale.  Both are rather small but have big bb followings and not so good fb.

Murray St would be good for SIU, Evansville, and both ISU's, so they will get votes.  Valpo would get Loyola, Bradley and both ISU's support as a drivable rival, so that leaves UNI, Drake, and Mo St to chime in.  Think both Drake and UNI would want NDSU over Omaha or SDSU, as the bizon fb fans travel and it opens up the possibility of a MSP cable contract for the MVC.  SDSU will need USD to move too, and that isn't acceptable to the  MVC.

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Seems like the MVFC taking UND was a way to get Murray St in seamlessly.  I'm sure Murray St doesn't want to travel with fb to the Dakotas more than once a year, so the MVFC wanted informal divisions so that wouldn't happen.  That was probably talked about well before Wichita St left.  Getting in a new state opens up the whole state of Kentucky to a little MVC coverage.

The Racers have FBS games against Louisville and Georgia coming up that pay well, so they wouldn't drop to non-scholarship or they lose out on those paydays.  See Murray St as sort of mirror reflection of Southern Illinois-Carbondale.  Both are rather small but have big bb followings and not so good fb.

Murray St would be good for SIU, Evansville, and both ISU's, so they will get votes.  Valpo would get Loyola, Bradley and both ISU's support as a drivable rival, so that leaves UNI, Drake, and Mo St to chime in.  Think both Drake and UNI would want NDSU over Omaha or SDSU, as the bizon fb fans travel and it opens up the possibility of a MSP cable contract for the MVC.  SDSU will need USD to move too, and that isn't acceptable to the  MVC.

One has to admire your perseverance. A mere mortal prognosticator would have tucked his tail and hid after all of your timelines and master plans fell through, but not you. Here you are doubling down on more predictions.

Kudos to you sir on your unwavering attempts to envision the future.

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Seems like the MVFC taking UND was a way to get Murray St in seamlessly.  I'm sure Murray St doesn't want to travel with fb to the Dakotas more than once a year, so the MVFC wanted informal divisions so that wouldn't happen.  That was probably talked about well before Wichita St left.  Getting in a new state opens up the whole state of Kentucky to a little MVC coverage.

The Racers have FBS games against Louisville and Georgia coming up that pay well, so they wouldn't drop to non-scholarship or they lose out on those paydays.  See Murray St as sort of mirror reflection of Southern Illinois-Carbondale.  Both are rather small but have big bb followings and not so good fb.

Murray St would be good for SIU, Evansville, and both ISU's, so they will get votes.  Valpo would get Loyola, Bradley and both ISU's support as a drivable rival, so that leaves UNI, Drake, and Mo St to chime in.  Think both Drake and UNI would want NDSU over Omaha or SDSU, as the bizon fb fans travel and it opens up the possibility of a MSP cable contract for the MVC.  SDSU will need USD to move too, and that isn't acceptable to the  MVC.

i don't agree...this might be why i don't run conferences but what about omaha is so bad...close bus ride for both drake and uni and a large metro area you used to control and a new arena?  same thing with umkc...large metro area in your region.  what does adding valpo add? not much imo? murray state? not much again. belmont...yes but i bet they see the writing on the wall and will stay put...

 

[SiouxVolley]

16 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

One has to admire your perseverance. A mere mortal prognosticator would have tucked his tail and hid after all of your timelines and master plans fell through, but not you. Here you are doubling down on more predictions.

Kudos to you sir on your unwavering attempts to envision the future.

NDSU leaving would give us the right to do whatever we wanted without your bitching.  You would have thought I would have been blocked years ago by you, but you waste time anyway.

[SiouxVolley]

19 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

i don't agree...this might be why i don't run conferences but what about omaha is so bad...close bus ride for both drake and uni and a large metro area you used to control and a new arena?  same thing with umkc...large metro area in your region.  what does adding valpo add? not much imo? murray state? not much again. belmont...yes but i bed they see the writing on the wall and will stay put...

Creighton owns Omaha for bball.  ThE MVC learned it's lesson with Loyola.  Taking a third rate team in a metro won't buy anything.  NDSU is a third rate bb team, but in Fargo it's the Big time according to their fans.  If Richman doesn't perform, his a** is out the door, as NDSU doesn't have a problem with canning non performers.  The MVC likes that intolerance to mediocrity that NDSU fans have, and women's sports like bb and vb don't matter.*  Omaha just lost its two bigs to transfers, so won't be up to even Slummit levels for a couple years at least.

Murray St has traveling bball fans, at least in close range.  St Louis will be half packed for their tournament games, which is a big deal for the MVC.  Valpo fans will travel too, which will help nearby MVC teams.

St Louis University is the obvious choice, but they don't see any upside in going.  The MVC doesn't have any choices and is desperate IMHO, which is why NDSU is even being talked about.  If Belmont decides to accept, the MVC could very well just stay at 10 and allet this talk is wasted.

[Bison06]

17 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU leaving would give us the right to do whatever we wanted without your bitching.  You would have thought I would have been blocked years ago by you, but you waste time anyway.

Lighten up Frances.

[SIOUXFAN97]

9 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Creighton owns Omaha for bball.  ThE MVC learned it's lesson with Loyola.  Taking a third rate team in a metro won't buy anything.  NDSU is a third rate bb team, but in Fargo it's the Big time according to their fans.  If Richman doesn't perform, his a** is out the door, as NDSU doesn't have a problem with canning non performers.  The MVC likes that intolerance to mediocrity that NDSU fans have.  Omaha just lost its two bigs to transfers, so won't be up to even Slummit levels for a couple years at least.

Murray St has traveling bball fans, at least in close range.  St Louis will be half packed for their tournament games, which is a big deal for the MVC.  Valpo fans will travel too, which will help nearby MVC teams.

St Louis University is the obvious choice, but they don't see any upside in going.  The MVC doesn't have any choices and is desperate IMHO, which is why NDSU is even being talked about.

talk about outlier...holy smokes is creighton bball out there on its own...was wichita ever a possible add for the big east for a "travel partner" for creighton?

[SIOUXFAN97]

[UNDBIZ]

36 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Think both Drake and UNI would want NDSU over Omaha or SDSU, as the bizon fb fans travel and it opens up the possibility of a MSP cable contract for the MVC.  SDSU will need USD to move too, and that isn't acceptable to the  MVC.

Why would Drake and UNI care about bison FB fans travel habits when considering ndsu for a non-football conference? Ndsu fans don't travel for other sports. 

[homer]

5 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Why would Drake and UNI care about bison FB fans travel habits when considering ndsu for a non-football conference? Ndsu fans don't travel for other sports. 

The two hundred fans that made the trip to Sioux Falls for the conference tournament would beg to differ.  

[SiouxVolley]

22 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

talk about outlier...holy smokes is creighton bball out there on its own...was wichita ever a possible add for the big east for a "travel partner" for creighton?

 

20 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Wichita St was proposed by Creighton, but nothing happened.

Creighton made a big splash for the first new Big East tourney, as Creighton fans traveled in droves.

[SiouxVolley]

21 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Why would Drake and UNI care about bison FB fans travel habits when considering ndsu for a non-football conference? Ndsu fans don't travel for other sports. 

I added MSP exposure too.  MSP is probably more important for Drake than Omaha.  NDSU can help Crack it open more, whereas Omaha doesnt.

[SiouxVolley]

17 minutes ago, homer said:

The two hundred fans that made the trip to Sioux Falls for the conference tournament would beg to differ.  

Arch Madness is a weekend tournament compared to a Monday and Tuesday in boring Sioux Falls.  NDSU fans would show up for a weekend of drunkenness in a city that can walk to the venue.

[UNDBIZ]

8 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Arch Madness is a weekend tournament compared to a Monday and Tuesday in boring Sioux Falls.  NDSU fans would show up for a weekend of drunkenness in a city that can walk to the venue.

It's basketball, not football. So no, they wouldn't. 

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, homer said:

The two hundred fans that made the trip to Sioux Falls for the conference tournament would beg to differ.  

You must not be counting how many fans were there, just how many seats they took up. 

[SiouxVolley]

The MVC schedules so it has a mid-week game and a weekend game, so travel partners aren't used for mbb.  That effectively removes USD and SDSU as candidates, as they are in tiny places and only draw well on weekends when South Dakotans can travel and don't work.  This isn't a Slummit or even an NCC type schedule we are talking about.  Any South Dakota add isn't possible unless they agreed to play conference games in SF, which would backfire badly.  Even UND can't be added as the MVC would demand the Ralph be used, and that wouldnt be possible.