82SiouxGuy Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 We all know those numbers aren't apples to apples comparison. Take UND Hockey out of those numbers and UND is probably between USD and SDSU. Athletic Budget isn't operating profit. UND could still be losing money every year while its possible USD has a small budget yet is turning a profit. The comparison is never going to be apples to apples unless the schools have exactly the same sports. But comparing the size of departments and the capabilities of those departments is a valid comparison. Without hockey it looks like UND would be close to SDSU, but well above USD. UND usually makes a small profit in the athletic department (about $200,000 last year reported and probably wouldn't without hockey) and USD made about $3,000 in the last reported year. If you go to the link that was provided you can look up all of the information you want, although it is hard to break it down because for the most part the only sports that are seperated out are football and basketball. It looks like USD lost about $180,000 in that year for football and UND lost about $145,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 We all know those numbers aren't apples to apples comparison. Take UND Hockey out of those numbers and UND is probably between USD and SDSU. Athletic Budget isn't operating profit. UND could still be losing money every year while its possible USD has a small budget yet is turning a profit. Do you have a link supporting your statement? It would be interesting to see the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Here is another place to go to get budget numbers. The most recent they have is from 2008-2009. They aren't broken down by sport, but there is a lot of info there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted November 6, 2010 Share Posted November 6, 2010 Football expenditures 1. NDSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Football expenditures 1. NDSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND Fan Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Can someone remind me as to how much UND students pay in fees per semester that goes to athletics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersioux Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Football expenditures 1. NDSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 USD's numbers have now been updated on the OPE site, so now all of the Dakota schools have the 2010 figures.... UND $16,784,688.00 NDSU $14,261,707.00SDSU $11,923,267.00 USD $ 7,405,264.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 OPE has UND's 2011 figures posted.... http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ Expenses $17,388,512.00 Revenue: $17,512,522.00 $124,010.00 in the black. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooToo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 OPE has UND's 2011 figures posted.... http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ Expenses $17,388,512.00 Revenue: $17,512,522.00 $124,010.00 in the black. Great site and info. I was somewhat surprised to see that UND, according to the report, actually makes money on football (although only about $20k). Also note that Montana's budget is about $1.7 million less than UND's total but they spend and earn twice as much on football, roughly $5 million, and spend about $500,000 more on basketball. It will be interesting to see where UND can go with football revenues once established in a solid conference like the Big Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 First of all I doubt very much fb at UND makes money. Figure it out with the attendance you have and $75 season tickets to seat where you want. In accounting you can take from some accounts and plug others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I think we should hire Bison Dan as a financial advisor for our athletic teams. He seems to follow us quite closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Forensic Accounting...................... Forensic Poll Analysis.................. They've got it all in Fargo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 First of all I doubt very much fb at UND makes money. Figure it out with the attendance you have and $75 season tickets to seat where you want. In accounting you can take from some accounts and plug others. Although they say $75 for season tickets, you need to join the Fighting Sioux Club to get those tickets. I don't remember what the minimum contribution level is and I'm too lazy to go look it up again. But those $75 season tix are actually around $400-$500. I'm not sure if a portion of the Fighting Sioux Club money goes back to the football program or not. Either way, it's nice to see we are running in the black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooToo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 From the OPE report... NDSU Football Total expenses 3,332,907 Total revenue 3,332,907 NDSU Basketball Total expenses 1,988,215 Total revenue 1,988,215 I now have a better understanding of Dan's extreme suspicion of institutional accounting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoHawks! Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 From the OPE report... NDSU Football Total expenses 3,332,907 Total revenue 3,332,907 NDSU Basketball Total expenses 1,988,215 Total revenue 1,988,215 I now have a better understanding of Dan's extreme suspicion of institutional accounting. HA! Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreyAnt41 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 From the OPE report... NDSU Football Total expenses 3,332,907 Total revenue 3,332,907 NDSU Basketball Total expenses 1,988,215 Total revenue 1,988,215 I now have a better understanding of Dan's extreme suspicion of institutional accounting. That's easy. Any extra revenue gets funneled directly into the administrators' bank accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 From the OPE report... NDSU Football Total expenses 3,332,907 Total revenue 3,332,907 NDSU Basketball Total expenses 1,988,215 Total revenue 1,988,215 I now have a better understanding of Dan's extreme suspicion of institutional accounting. FB at NDSU pays ALL the bills. Too bad they don't make all the schools account for their sports the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobIwabuchiFan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I think everyone at UND understands who pays the bills for the Athletics Department...UND Fighting Sioux Hockey. Its not a hit against the football guys, but its the reality of the situation. NDSU's first love is Football and thus they generate the bulk of their income for the AD office... BobIwabuchiFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobIwabuchiFan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I think it would be interesting to see how the two primary programs compare to each other at UND and NDSU...I still think the UND Hockey team has the overall edge on revenue generation and size of budget, but I'm no forensic accountant either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 From the OPE report... NDSU Football Total expenses 3,332,907 Total revenue 3,332,907 NDSU Basketball Total expenses 1,988,215 Total revenue 1,988,215 I now have a better understanding of Dan's extreme suspicion of institutional accounting. That is just great forcasting. Not a penney over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I think it would be interesting to see how the two primary programs compare to each other at UND and NDSU...I still think the UND Hockey team has the overall edge on revenue generation and size of budget, but I'm no forensic accountant either! Keep in mind that UND's total athletic budget is really the following: = UND Athletic Budget + REA Budget - (amount reimbursed by REA to UND athletics). Not sure know much the REA Budget is, but all the hockey (as well as basketball, volleyball, women's hockey) ticket sales go through the REA. Just for men's hockey, the ticket sales are 220,000 x $25 avg = $5.5 million. Most of that money is not returned to UND athletics, but pays to run the REA. All of the Fighting Sioux Club budget directly affects the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 It would nice to see a bump in gate after the transition that SDSU did: @TerryVandrovecTerry Vandrovec In new Board of Regents athletic report, SDSU had $981,423 in gate revenues in 2010-11. The five other state schools totaled $421,632. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Please put context into Vandrovec's numbers. What is that number? All sports? One sport? Which? And it says "revenues", that's normally "gross". Did he mean "net" or "profit"? $981k at $20 per ticket is about 49000 tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie679 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 From the OPE report... NDSU Football Total expenses 3,332,907 Total revenue 3,332,907 NDSU Basketball Total expenses 1,988,215 Total revenue 1,988,215 I now have a better understanding of Dan's extreme suspicion of institutional accounting. OPE numbers are bologna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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