Minnesota @ UND - Saturday night game thread

[tnt]

1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said:

What adjustment did you not see? I keep seeing this throughout the thread. You were expecting different results, but with what? I definitely saw lineup juggling. I also saw the defensemen circling lower from the blue line. We were consistently trying to come through neutral with speed, but Minnesota played well defensively. So, what adjustments were you hoping to see?

Ben Strinden should not be sitting in the stands for this team. Dude had a bad game. This happens. 

The fact that people thought a team with 15 new guys would just roll through their schedule shows just how disconnected some people are.  I think 5x5 UND played better, which is why the dumb penalties were so disappointing.  
Also, if I recall, people were upset with Berry because he kept changing the units around not allowing any chemistry to grow.  I like that Jackson had 3 freshmen forwards killing penalties, instead of bringing in the graduate transfer because of experience.  
It’s amazing how a loss to a desperate rival, who didn’t manage a lot of offense, changed the overly optimistic view of the team after 3 wins to start the season. 
David Carle isn’t quite so concerned about an early season loss or two, as long as they are moving forward.  Anyone remember how many goals Denver gave up early in the year when they won their last title, and how many total goals they gave up in the tourney?  
This team will need to be that kind of team, where they can build into a quality team by the second half.  Hopefully they can do enough to be in the picture, as we saw how close some of Hakstol’s teams were to the bubble before making late season runs.

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

The fact that people thought a team with 15 new guys would just roll through their schedule shows just how disconnected some people are.  I think 5x5 UND played better, which is why the dumb penalties were so disappointing.  
Also, if I recall, people were upset with Berry because he kept changing the units around not allowing any chemistry to grow.  I like that Jackson had 3 freshmen forwards killing penalties, instead of bringing in the graduate transfer because of experience.  
It’s amazing how a loss to a desperate rival, who didn’t manage a lot of offense, changed the overly optimistic view of the team after 3 wins to start the season. 
David Carle isn’t quite so concerned about an early season loss or two, as long as they are moving forward.  Anyone remember how many goals Denver gave up early in the year when they won their last title, and how many total goals they gave up in the tourney?  
This team will need to be that kind of team, where they can build into a quality team by the second half.  Hopefully they can do enough to be in the picture, as we saw how close some of Hakstol’s teams were to the bubble before making late season runs.

This, this, ALL THE THINGS THIS. I wish I could love this a second time. 

[franchise]

Im not worried about them moving forward, given all the new faces but Saturday as a whole, did not look like a bunch of future pros on the ice.

I thought 74 in maroon was the only one to stand out. 

[Kevin G]

One silver lining of having a clunker is that it gives a new coaching staff an opportunity to learn and grow. 

[burd]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

The fact that people thought a team with 15 new guys would just roll through their schedule shows just how disconnected some people are.  I think 5x5 UND played better, which is why the dumb penalties were so disappointing.  
Also, if I recall, people were upset with Berry because he kept changing the units around not allowing any chemistry to grow.  I like that Jackson had 3 freshmen forwards killing penalties, instead of bringing in the graduate transfer because of experience.  
It’s amazing how a loss to a desperate rival, who didn’t manage a lot of offense, changed the overly optimistic view of the team after 3 wins to start the season. 
David Carle isn’t quite so concerned about an early season loss or two, as long as they are moving forward.  Anyone remember how many goals Denver gave up early in the year when they won their last title, and how many total goals they gave up in the tourney?  
This team will need to be that kind of team, where they can build into a quality team by the second half.  Hopefully they can do enough to be in the picture, as we saw how close some of Hakstol’s teams were to the bubble before making late season runs.

Funny, isn’t it?  The Ledge may have been vacant Sunday morning, but there were people headed for the elevators.  

[.357]

3 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

I think Croal could produce on the 3rd line. 

True, but then that 4th line mojo may take a hit.

At any rate, give Strinden a clipboard & have him take notes in the stands on Friday. Perfect opportunity to teach a lesson & give the young bull Klee a chance to show what he's got. But odds of that happening are low. 

[tnt]

6 minutes ago, .357 said:

True, but then that 4th line mojo may take a hit.

At any rate, give Strinden a clipboard & have him take notes in the stands on Friday. Perfect opportunity to teach a lesson & give the young bull Klee a chance to show what he's got. But odds of that happening are low. 

How many guys can travel?  Would think they would take both Laurila and Jubenvill on defense, but who knows.  

[SpudsSioux]

2 hours ago, tnt said:

The fact that people thought a team with 15 new guys would just roll through their schedule shows just how disconnected some people are.  I think 5x5 UND played better, which is why the dumb penalties were so disappointing.  
Also, if I recall, people were upset with Berry because he kept changing the units around not allowing any chemistry to grow.  I like that Jackson had 3 freshmen forwards killing penalties, instead of bringing in the graduate transfer because of experience.  
It’s amazing how a loss to a desperate rival, who didn’t manage a lot of offense, changed the overly optimistic view of the team after 3 wins to start the season. 
David Carle isn’t quite so concerned about an early season loss or two, as long as they are moving forward.  Anyone remember how many goals Denver gave up early in the year when they won their last title, and how many total goals they gave up in the tourney?  
This team will need to be that kind of team, where they can build into a quality team by the second half.  Hopefully they can do enough to be in the picture, as we saw how close some of Hakstol’s teams were to the bubble before making late season runs.

Could not agree more. Not only does this team not have any full lines in tact from last season; they only have one line that even has two on it that have played together before this year (Croal and Littler). Funny that line is the one that showed chemistry the earliest. I like that DJ is letting them settle in a little bit and build some chemistry. That first weekend the 4th line carried them offensively, but by this weekend the Rickwood line looked to be building some chemistry. 

I said before the Saturday game that the optimistic part of this team is that so far I really felt like they were winning games solely on grit and being hard to play against; they really hadn't been overly sharp yet chemistry-wise. That will get better as the season goes on, but being able to start 3-1 while they're still figuring it out gives me a lot of optimism for this group.

[.357]

10 minutes ago, tnt said:

How many guys can travel?  Would think they would take both Laurila and Jubenvill on defense, but who knows.  

Don't know, but I would assume that teams are allowed to bring more than 1 extra player to account for a possible rash of injuries that may occur away from home.

[HockeyHawk]

6 hours ago, tnt said:

The fact that people thought a team with 15 new guys would just roll through their schedule shows just how disconnected some people are.  I think 5x5 UND played better, which is why the dumb penalties were so disappointing.  
Also, if I recall, people were upset with Berry because he kept changing the units around not allowing any chemistry to grow.  I like that Jackson had 3 freshmen forwards killing penalties, instead of bringing in the graduate transfer because of experience.  
It’s amazing how a loss to a desperate rival, who didn’t manage a lot of offense, changed the overly optimistic view of the team after 3 wins to start the season. 
David Carle isn’t quite so concerned about an early season loss or two, as long as they are moving forward.  Anyone remember how many goals Denver gave up early in the year when they won their last title, and how many total goals they gave up in the tourney?  
This team will need to be that kind of team, where they can build into a quality team by the second half.  Hopefully they can do enough to be in the picture, as we saw how close some of Hakstol’s teams were to the bubble before making late season runs.

I think you are right about the schedule the frustration is a lot of the same mistakes with Berry were seen this weekend. Fans wanted change and we are seeing more of the same.

[brianvf]

37 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

I think you are right about the schedule the frustration is a lot of the same mistakes with Berry were seen this weekend. Fans wanted change and we are seeing more of the same.

It's one game. 
The first three games of the season, I would say they looked like a completely different team than the last few Berry years.  Better speed, better passing, more relentless on pucks & forechecking, etc.  Then they had one not as good game when the other team played their best defensive game of the season in a rivalry game.
Let's see how the boys respond on Friday and Saturday against Clarkson.  I'm guessing they'll look more like they did in the first 3 games of the season rather than the Sat UMN game.

[tnt]

1 hour ago, HockeyHawk said:

I think you are right about the schedule the frustration is a lot of the same mistakes with Berry were seen this weekend. Fans wanted change and we are seeing more of the same.

Be more specific on what mistakes you perceived.

[tnt]

1 hour ago, brianvf said:

It's one game. 
The first three games of the season, I would say they looked like a completely different team than the last few Berry years.  Better speed, better passing, more relentless on pucks & forechecking, etc.  Then they had one not as good game when the other team played their best defensive game of the season in a rivalry game.
Let's see how the boys respond on Friday and Saturday against Clarkson.  I'm guessing they'll look more like they did in the first 3 games of the season rather than the Sat UMN game.

I would say if Homer doesn’t give up those two goals to make it 3-1 and we pulled out a tie holding Minnesota to low shots, the vibe on this board is a lot different.  We were all over them after that goal that slipped through Homer’s legs, then Strathmann tried to hold it in and was forced to take a penalty on the other end, which compounded the situation.  
i think it’s safe to say that unless we go undefeated the rest of the way, there will be some that point to every mistake the players make as proof that nothing has changed from the Berry era. 

[hockeytherapy13]

I’m not saying anything new but I’m going to sum up the overall feelings.
-The play on the ice Saturday was poor overall but there were still good things to build on.
-Strinden dragged us down with his bad game and it didn’t improve as the night went on.  Idk what needs to happen with him but this staff will make a calculated decision: if he’s in next Friday, I trust them, if he’s out next Friday, I trust them. I don’t think this will a Bubs mentality where upperclassmen get free passes all season long. I think he’ll play but will have a shorter leash. He’ll get instruction behind closed doors that we won’t know about and that’s ok. It’s a good reminder that we don’t see it all.

We are a very young team and still Managed to go 3-1 against 2 good teams this early on. We’ll see his next weekend goes but I’m very happy with our record at this stage in the young season.

This smells like a Hakstol team- struggle a bit while learning and then start going on long winning streaks in the 2nd half of the season. 

[Blackheart]

52 minutes ago, hockeytherapy13 said:

I’m not saying anything new but I’m going to sum up the overall feelings.
-The play on the ice Saturday was poor overall but there were still good things to build on.
-Strinden dragged us down with his bad game and it didn’t improve as the night went on.  Idk what needs to happen with him but this staff will make a calculated decision: if he’s in next Friday, I trust them, if he’s out next Friday, I trust them. I don’t think this will a Bubs mentality where upperclassmen get free passes all season long. I think he’ll play but will have a shorter leash. He’ll get instruction behind closed doors that we won’t know about and that’s ok. It’s a good reminder that we don’t see it all.

We are a very young team and still Managed to go 3-1 against 2 good teams this early on. We’ll see his next weekend goes but I’m very happy with our record at this stage in the young season.

This smells like a Hakstol team- struggle a bit while learning and then start going on long winning streaks in the 2nd half of the season. 

Hope you are right...but I'm totally expecting them to win two games on the road against Clarkson. (no small feat) Expectations couldn't be higher for Sioux fans; we are spoiled and expect to win but I totally get that it takes time to build team chemistry.