SJHovey Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yeah, I think we need to take the high road on this and wish Matteau, Miller, and if need be Koules, the best of luck and go forward without them. First, I agree there is probably some use by these kids of the threat of going the college route to exact a better CHL deal. But so what. I'd do the same thing. They have to look out for their best interests, not ours. We're always going to lose recruiting battles, whether it's to another school, or to the CHL. But we'll win a few too, and we have to enjoy those kids while they're here. I hold no ill will towards a guy like Fasching. I wish him the best of luck in his decision to go to Minnesota and not UND. Same with guys like Miller and Matteau. This is no time to be crying "woe is me." We'll be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passit_offthegoalie Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yeah, I think we need to take the high road on this and wish Matteau, Miller, and if need be Koules, the best of luck and go forward without them. Agree. The anger should be channeled toward solutions to the problem, if you think it's a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND99 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yeah, I think we need to take the high road on this and wish Matteau, Miller, and if need be Koules, the best of luck and go forward without them. First, I agree there is probably some use by these kids of the threat of going the college route to exact a better CHL deal. But so what. I'd do the same thing. They have to look out for their best interests, not ours. We're always going to lose recruiting battles, whether it's to another school, or to the CHL. But we'll win a few too, and we have to enjoy those kids while they're here. I hold no ill will towards a guy like Fasching. I wish him the best of luck in his decision to go to Minnesota and not UND. Same with guys like Miller and Matteau. This is no time to be crying "woe is me." We'll be fine. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticklethetwine Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yeah, I think we need to take the high road on this and wish Matteau, Miller, and if need be Koules, the best of luck and go forward without them. First, I agree there is probably some use by these kids of the threat of going the college route to exact a better CHL deal. But so what. I'd do the same thing. They have to look out for their best interests, not ours. We're always going to lose recruiting battles, whether it's to another school, or to the CHL. But we'll win a few too, and we have to enjoy those kids while they're here. I hold no ill will towards a guy like Fasching. I wish him the best of luck in his decision to go to Minnesota and not UND. Same with guys like Miller and Matteau. This is no time to be crying "woe is me." We'll be fine. I totally agree with that 100% but I still come back to the same question. Why commit to a team if you are not sure what you want to do. I mean come on just don't commit until you are sure. I know that sounds simple or black and white but if you are a high end talent than most teams will find room for you some way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passit_offthegoalie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hakstol's comments on the NCAA vs. Major Junior battle are pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I totally agree with that 100% but I still come back to the same question. Why commit to a team if you are not sure what you want to do. I mean come on just don't commit until you are sure. I know that sounds simple or black and white but if you are a high end talent than most teams will find room for you some way or another. Don't forget, these are high school age kids. Making a decision on a movie or a video game to play and committing to it can be difficult for them. Yet, at 15 or 16 we expect them to make a decision about where they are going to spend 3 or 4 years of their lives and don't believe that any of them are going to make a change. Some of these defections may be preplanned to get what they want. But others are probably just kids being kids. Unfortunately, it's part of the way the system works right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 It hurts to lose players like we have, but lets not forget that the Sioux have gained a few players who have given verbals to other teams like Schmaltz, St. Clair and Gregoire. Didn't see many people hating on Gregoire. The difference obviously would be if the players are using college as leverage, and really only they know if that is the case or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 It hurts to lose players like we have, but lets not forget that the Sioux have gained a few players who have given verbals to other teams like Schmaltz, St. Clair and Gregoire. Didn't see many people hating on Gregoire. The difference obviously would be if the players are using college as leverage, and really only they know if that is the case or not. True, but every case is different. Schmaltz...coach left Gregiore....Denver changed their agreement with him St. Clair...was 14? vs. Miller....changed mind 2 months before school started Clarke....only committed to UND so that the Major Junior teams with the higher draft picks would pass on him Matteau.....re-iterated his desire to come to UND 2 weeks ago while likely knowing what was going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFG Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hakstol's comments on the NCAA vs. Major Junior battle are pretty interesting. where can we see Hakstols comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yeah, I think we need to take the high road on this and wish Matteau, Miller, and if need be Koules, the best of luck and go forward without them. First, I agree there is probably some use by these kids of the threat of going the college route to exact a better CHL deal. But so what. I'd do the same thing. They have to look out for their best interests, not ours. We're always going to lose recruiting battles, whether it's to another school, or to the CHL. But we'll win a few too, and we have to enjoy those kids while they're here. I hold no ill will towards a guy like Fasching. I wish him the best of luck in his decision to go to Minnesota and not UND. Same with guys like Miller and Matteau. This is no time to be crying "woe is me." We'll be fine. I agree with you only to a point. I agree with the idea of using the "threat" of going to college to get a better CHL deal as fair business. But committing to a university scholarship, giving your word, and then later backing out may be considered "fair" in love and war but really it's not ethical. Changing your mind, legitimately, is one thing. We don't know his motives but we see enough of this where the end result are trades to preferential places that we can only assume in certain cases the university scholarship was used as a pawn. And that's not ethical. It's just not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I agree with you only to a point. I agree with the idea of using the "threat" of going to college to get a better CHL deal as fair business. But committing to a university scholarship, giving your word, and then later backing out may be considered "fair" in love and war but really it's not ethical. Changing your mind, legitimately, is one thing. We don't know his motives but we see enough of this where the end result are trades to preferential places that we can only assume in certain cases the university scholarship was used as a pawn. And that's not ethical. It's just not. We don't know his motives, but we also don't know exactly what occurred. For instance, when he gave his original committment, for all we know he had full intention of coming here. Then, months down the road the possibility of his rights getting traded to a CHL team where he has a strong family connection becomes a possibility, something that maybe wasn't even on the radar when the original committment was made. As those negotiations stall, he indicates that he still plans to come to UND as some incentive for the team holding his rights to pull the trigger on the trade. I don't have a problem with that. Verbal committments and Letters of Intent aren't contracts requiring the kid to come to school. They are simply mechanisms adopted to put an end to the recruiting pressure that is placed on a kid at a given point in time. But sometimes a kid has options outside of just other teams in the same organization, such as the NCAA. It's no different than a major college football player who signs a letter of intent, but at the last moment negotiates a big deal to play baseball with the Yankees. I agree it's important for young men and women to understand committment, honoring your promises, etc... But these kids are asked to make a huge decision at a young age, and I have no problem anytime one of them wants to look out for number one. We don't ever seem to have a problem when kids commit to the school, and then suddenly find themselves on the outside looking in because they just didn't develop in the USHL. I'm sure the Danny Mattson's of the world would love to have verbals and LOI's considered as binding contracts on both parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passit_offthegoalie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 where can we see Hakstols comments? The coaches show will probably show up on the UND Insider media player some time. I also saw that Brad S. had a pretty in-depth interview and story about it. You can find that if you go back a few posts on Brad's blog. I thought it was interesting on the coaches show he made it sound like there's a guy or multiple guys that we could steal from Major Juniors, if the NCAA allowed Major Junior players to play college hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hakstol did say that there are not the players out there now to replace a Matteau. I guess my expectation is that the Sioux won't be able to get an elite recruit for next year but maybe more role players or diamonds in the rough that you never know how they are going to progress. Maybe over-recruiting is the answer. Kind of said that if the NCAA would allow, he is certain that he could get CHL guys down here if they were able to recruit guys like the CHL does. Would the NCAA not address the issue if there were issues in football or basketball? The fact that they did nothing to the Ohio State players last year says that they are willing to do anything to protect the cash cows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I agree with you only to a point. I agree with the idea of using the "threat" of going to college to get a better CHL deal as fair business. But committing to a university scholarship, giving your word, and then later backing out may be considered "fair" in love and war but really it's not ethical. Changing your mind, legitimately, is one thing. We don't know his motives but we see enough of this where the end result are trades to preferential places that we can only assume in certain cases the university scholarship was used as a pawn. And that's not ethical. It's just not. I'll agree with you on the ethics of it. But until the coaches are held to their contract (their "letter of intent"), I'm not getting too upset when a kids changes his mind. Both instances blur the ethical lines, but in the end both the Coach and the kids do what is in their best interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 I don't think it's automatic that schools are just pulling scholarship offers to players. I think we'd find that there's communication about what they need to do in order to earn that spot, and ramifications of not following through, etc. I'm sure there are differences in opinion on whether a school surprised a player or not, and I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDHockey Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Were there any recruits in this weekend? Seems like a big series like this would be a perfect time for visits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxhockey78 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 That Walen kid for White Bear is a pretty good freshman and I am also going to bride some gopher recruits to go WHL...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnews Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 That Walen kid for White Bear is a pretty good freshman and I am also going to bride some gopher recruits to go WHL...lol i thought he was a junior but maybe thats his brother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 i thought he was a junior but maybe thats his brother? Brandon Wahlin graduated last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxScore Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Anyone hear anything about recruitment of Dan Molenar, I know Sioux were looking at him last year before injury. Couple guys to watch in the Minnetonka and Duluth East game on now Max Coatta from Tonka and Jake Randolph from East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Anyone hear anything about recruitment of Dan Molenar, I know Sioux were looking at him last year before injury. Couple guys to watch in the Minnetonka and Duluth East game on now Max Coatta from Tonka and Jake Randolph from East. I'd be surprised if Molenaar ended up at UND. From what I heard, he turned down UNO last year because he wanted to go to a better "academic" school. So he went to juniors. I heard Boston College was heavy after him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Randolph isnt going to UND. HIs dad hates UND. But coatta looks like a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Randolph isnt going to UND. HIs dad hates UND. But coatta looks like a good player. Apparently his dad hates a lot of schools because he also hates Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808287 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Randolph isnt going to UND. HIs dad hates UND. But coatta looks like a good player. Yeah, I'm sure his Dad doesn't want the boy to end up like Parise, Toews, or Oshie, or...or...hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxScore Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Don't know how his dad feels about Bemidji St. but I know he visited there during the Minnesota series last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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