Sweethockey Posted March 20 Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: 1st round picks get you so far. It's the other players that get overlooked for a variety of reasons that put you in a great position to win. It's the Troy Stetcher, Drake Caggiula, Cole Smith, Mario Lamoureux, Jordan Kawaguchi, Riese Gaber, Ryan Duncan type players that get you over the hump. This is so true. It is one thing having 1st round picks, it's another trying to pair them up to make a line/ team. You need a supporting cast to make them effective. 1
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 People are getting the NIL on top of their ride. Two different funding buckets. I have not heard of a hockey player getting the $ that is suggested as equal to an ELC...perhaps the signing bonus, which is all that is guaranteed upfront. Maybe the AHL salary on the ELC. No way are they funding NHL league minimum...yet.
.357 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Scratch said: I suspect Denver will directly pay their players like the other big dogs, but if not, I'd guess they'll be in the same unfortunate shape as us. People keep saying that schools are or will be paying the players directly, yet I can find no evidence online to support this; all articles point towards private donors with regards to NIL money. If you can steer me towards an official NCAA link stating that schools are allowed to do this, that would be appreciated.
Irish Posted March 20 Posted March 20 18 hours ago, UND1983 said: Let me write history - he won the national championship his first year with another guy's players. Then, he proceeded to win ONE NCAA tournament game in eight seasons (over something called American International) Exactly this - this is the problem and we need to expect much better - especially when other conference teams have put it together. 2
90siouxfan Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I predict Smaby comes in replacing Jackson, Karl is let go, Simmer, meh not sure. Colton St. Clair comes in.... One year later, B-rad retires and rides off into the sunset, Smaby puts on the big hat with Colton as associate/heir apparant. I also hope to win the lottery without buying tickets and like ketchup on my eggs. 2
Kab Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I’m more concerned about this weekends games just win baby When UND is done let the speculation begin 0n coaching and transfers 3
Frozen4sioux Posted March 20 Posted March 20 47 minutes ago, .357 said: People keep saying that schools are or will be paying the players directly, yet I can find no evidence online to support this; all articles point towards private donors with regards to NIL money. If you can steer me towards an official NCAA link stating that schools are allowed to do this, that would be appreciated. Just the simplest of Google searches.... "ncaa schools paying players directly" The NCAA and its Power Five conferences agreed to a settlement that allows schools to directly pay student-athletes, a shift that could begin in the 2025-2026 season, with schools able to distribute up to $22 million annually to their athletes. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Settlement and Approval: A federal judge granted preliminary approval of a $2.78 billion settlement that resolves antitrust lawsuits against the NCAA, paving the way for schools to pay athletes directly. Revenue Sharing: The settlement creates a revenue-sharing plan, allowing schools to distribute a portion of their annual revenue to athletes. Power Five Focus: The initial focus is on schools within the Power Five conferences (Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, Pac-12, and SEC), but other schools may be able to opt in. Estimated Amount: Schools could potentially allocate around $20 million to $22 million annually for athlete compensation. Timeline: The implementation of this plan is anticipated to begin in the fall of 2025, with the 2025-2026 season being the first to see the changes. NCAA college athletes closer to pay-to-play with judge's preliminary approval of settlement | AP News Included this nugget too.... NIL will now be open officially as a tool to use in recruiting NIL recruiting compensation to be allowed by NCAA under terms of proposed settlement - The Athletic
.357 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 11 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: Just the simplest of Google searches.... "ncaa schools paying players directly" The NCAA and its Power Five conferences agreed to a settlement that allows schools to directly pay student-athletes, a shift that could begin in the 2025-2026 season, with schools able to distribute up to $22 million annually to their athletes. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Settlement and Approval: A federal judge granted preliminary approval of a $2.78 billion settlement that resolves antitrust lawsuits against the NCAA, paving the way for schools to pay athletes directly. Revenue Sharing: The settlement creates a revenue-sharing plan, allowing schools to distribute a portion of their annual revenue to athletes. Power Five Focus: The initial focus is on schools within the Power Five conferences (Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, Pac-12, and SEC), but other schools may be able to opt in. Estimated Amount: Schools could potentially allocate around $20 million to $22 million annually for athlete compensation. Timeline: The implementation of this plan is anticipated to begin in the fall of 2025, with the 2025-2026 season being the first to see the changes. NCAA college athletes closer to pay-to-play with judge's preliminary approval of settlement | AP News Included this nugget too.... NIL will now be open officially as a tool to use in recruiting NIL recruiting compensation to be allowed by NCAA under terms of proposed settlement - The Athletic NIL vs. Direct Payment from Colleges One key thing to remember is that NIL money doesn’t come from the schools themselves. Colleges aren’t paying athletes directly; instead, NIL deals are between the athletes and outside companies or sponsors. This keeps the focus on personal branding and the athlete’s individual influence, rather than on funding from the universities. NIL allows athletes to use their own hard work, popularity, and personal brand to earn money, completely separate from their college’s support. https://www.gogamechange.com/blog/where-does-nil-money-come-from#:~:text=One of the most common,promote their products or services. -------------------------- "It's important to note college athletes still cannot be paid directly by the school. Instead, that's done through NIL collectives, which organize funds from donors. The money is directed to pay athletes through NIL deals." "Collectives cannot be directly involved in recruiting, just like boosters in the old days. However, most operate in coordination with the schools and tend to be endorsed by coaches and school officials. According to Business Insider, 80% of money going toward NIL comes from collectives, with the rest coming from brand deals." https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/2024/03/16/what-nil-college-sports-money-endorsement-deals-name-image-likeness/72998239007/
.357 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 29 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: Just the simplest of Google searches.... "ncaa schools paying players directly" The NCAA and its Power Five conferences agreed to a settlement that allows schools to directly pay student-athletes, a shift that could begin in the 2025-2026 season, with schools able to distribute up to $22 million annually to their athletes. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Settlement and Approval: A federal judge granted preliminary approval of a $2.78 billion settlement that resolves antitrust lawsuits against the NCAA, paving the way for schools to pay athletes directly. Revenue Sharing: The settlement creates a revenue-sharing plan, allowing schools to distribute a portion of their annual revenue to athletes. Power Five Focus: The initial focus is on schools within the Power Five conferences (Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, Pac-12, and SEC), but other schools may be able to opt in. Estimated Amount: Schools could potentially allocate around $20 million to $22 million annually for athlete compensation. Timeline: The implementation of this plan is anticipated to begin in the fall of 2025, with the 2025-2026 season being the first to see the changes. NCAA college athletes closer to pay-to-play with judge's preliminary approval of settlement | AP News Included this nugget too.... NIL will now be open officially as a tool to use in recruiting NIL recruiting compensation to be allowed by NCAA under terms of proposed settlement - The Athletic And also from the article you submitted: "If finalized, the deal would allow the biggest schools to establish a pool of about $21.5 million in the first year to distribute money to athletes through a revenue-sharing plan. Athletes would still be able to cut name, image and likeness deals with outside groups." The revenue-sharing deal is different from anything associated with NIL deals.
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Can you imagine being a chippah, walking around campus, making $1M per year...college was amazing not being an athlete and having $100 in birthday money in your pocket. 2
Frozen4sioux Posted March 20 Posted March 20 The google machine is difficult but can be quite usefull.... https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ohio-joins-georgia-in-prohibiting-ncaa-1960445/ The NCAA settlement allows DIRECT PAYMENTS to athletes for purposes of recruiting them there, OF COURSE "Athletes would still be able to cut name, image and likeness deals with outside groups" however with the legislation also being passed throughout the country, there is nothing that stops the settlement funds to be associated with NIL, they are not specifically different, but semantics don't matter anymore.... NIL collectives and NCAA institutions will be paying funds directly to athletes for enrollment and NIL purposes in the 2025-26 season.. above the table. But none of this matters cause NIL isnt a big deal...remember ??
Frozen4sioux Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Im not sure who or what entity put out this information but as it relates to direct payments, its interesting, but I have no way of knowing its accuracy at this time. Shared for interest alone. NCAA Revenue Sharing – Hockey Teams – NCAA Revenue Sharing & NIL Estimates 2025 The previous post about, someone not being sure what a coach can even do in the face of all this is probably a more valid point than those that keep burying their head in the sand as to "compensations" coming effect on college hockey. Its here, its going to be a MAJOR factor very soon, hopefully not next week.....
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted March 20 Posted March 20 12 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: Can you imagine being a chippah, walking around campus, making $1M per year...college was amazing not being an athlete and having $100 in birthday money in your pocket. Can you imagine be a dealership or other luxury goods retailer in town with blue chips walking around with $1M?
fightingsioux4life Posted March 20 Posted March 20 12 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: The google machine is difficult but can be quite usefull.... https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ohio-joins-georgia-in-prohibiting-ncaa-1960445/ The NCAA settlement allows DIRECT PAYMENTS to athletes for purposes of recruiting them there, OF COURSE "Athletes would still be able to cut name, image and likeness deals with outside groups" however with the legislation also being passed throughout the country, there is nothing that stops the settlement funds to be associated with NIL, they are not specifically different, but semantics don't matter anymore.... NIL collectives and NCAA institutions will be paying funds directly to athletes for enrollment and NIL purposes in the 2025-26 season.. above the table. But none of this matters cause NIL isnt a big deal...remember ?? No one said it didn't matter. I want the 1883 collective to become a major force in UND athletics. But the primary beneficiaries of NIL/Direct Payments will be football and (to a lesser extent) basketball. At most B1G schools, hockey ranks 3rd at best (4th depending on how women's basketball is doing). 1
.357 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 16 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: The google machine is difficult but can be quite usefull.... https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/ohio-joins-georgia-in-prohibiting-ncaa-1960445/ The NCAA settlement allows DIRECT PAYMENTS to athletes for purposes of recruiting them there, OF COURSE "Athletes would still be able to cut name, image and likeness deals with outside groups" however with the legislation also being passed throughout the country, there is nothing that stops the settlement funds to be associated with NIL, they are not specifically different, but semantics don't matter anymore.... NIL collectives and NCAA institutions will be paying funds directly to athletes for enrollment and NIL purposes in the 2025-26 season.. above the table. But none of this matters cause NIL isnt a big deal...remember ?? From the article: Gov. DeWine’s order permits “any postsecondary educational institution in the State of Ohio” that is “covered” by the proposed settlement to “offer compensation or compensate an intercollegiate student-athlete for the use of such student-athlete’s NIL” provided that state funds are not used for such purposes." "However, the order enacted by Gov. Kemp is broader in that it allows schools to “facilitate[e] compensation,” which can be read as permitting schools to work directly with student-athletes to secure NIL compensation with third parties."
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 11 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: Can you imagine be a dealership or other luxury goods retailer in town with blue chips walking around with $1M? Our new marketing...come to GF...your kid might buy a loaded Silverado, not a Bentley
I Ranger Posted March 20 Posted March 20 2 hours ago, yzerman19 said: People are getting the NIL on top of their ride. Two different funding buckets. I have not heard of a hockey player getting the $ that is suggested as equal to an ELC...perhaps the signing bonus, which is all that is guaranteed upfront. Maybe the AHL salary on the ELC. No way are they funding NHL league minimum...yet. I agree and haven't heard this either. The biggest and most well-known payment I'm aware of was the Minnesota boosters paying Snuggerud $100K to come back. I'm of the belief that there aren't a whole lot of 6 figure NIL hockey deals out there but I certainly could be wrong.
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 26 minutes ago, I Ranger said: I agree and haven't heard this either. The biggest and most well-known payment I'm aware of was the Minnesota boosters paying Snuggerud $100K to come back. I'm of the belief that there aren't a whole lot of 6 figure NIL hockey deals out there but I certainly could be wrong. yep- I heard a similar number with Rutger McGroarty at Michigan. I wouldn't be surprised if that is heating up though....
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 obv the last year Rut played there...not current as he has moved on
Goon Posted March 20 Posted March 20 For interest, I looked up the top NIL deals in college sports; not a single one is a hockey player, if that helps. Another list of NIL deals.
burd Posted March 20 Posted March 20 59 minutes ago, Goon said: For interest, I looked up the top NIL deals in college sports; not a single one is a hockey player, if that helps. Another list of NIL deals. Will the Universities soon be called NBA/NFL/NHL affiliates? 2
90siouxfan Posted March 20 Posted March 20 3 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: Can you imagine be a dealership or other luxury goods retailer in town with blue chips walking around with $1M? Beware the puck bunnies....
Scratch Posted March 21 Posted March 21 22 hours ago, .357 said: People keep saying that schools are or will be paying the players directly, yet I can find no evidence online to support this; all articles point towards private donors with regards to NIL money. If you can steer me towards an official NCAA link stating that schools are allowed to do this, that would be appreciated. I don't have a link, but in Schlossman's latest pod and liveinfive appearance he describes the opt in vs opt out rules and how the big difference is paying people directly. He seems to know what he's talking about
Scratch Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/20/2025 at 9:49 AM, tnt said: I will only say that we have two first round draft picks on our team this year, yet we are not exactly flourishing. Sometimes it takes a while for the super talented guys to adjust to the college level, so you might get one big impact year from them. If you can still get the 2nd and 3rd round picks, you can compete quite well. Older players help offset the high skill of these young studs. Look at the US development teams, they have all studs, but still take their lumps playing teams with less talent but are a bit older. Besides that, there are only a handful or so of these first round guys that go in the draft each year, and those teams constantly have to be replacing them every other year. The best situation is getting some elite players and supplementing them with guys that play together for a while that develop chemistry. However if you want to compete with later round draft picks, portal players and Major Junior players, you better get guys that are willing to outwork and pay the price to compete with those teams with elite talent. As we have seen, that is very possible. My concern is that going forward we aren't even considered by first round picks because why would they come here when they are offered six/seven figures elsewhere. Schloss says so what who needs em, and sure you can win with a team of untalented 25 year olds, but who wants to watch that? For me, first round talent is often the difference between a Sioux team I enjoy watching and one that seems to be a chore to watch (then you have option c this years team with first rounders but still painful to watch). 1
Scratch Posted March 21 Posted March 21 23 hours ago, 90siouxfan said: It would be an interesting research project to search out the effect of blue chippas on college hockey teams... there are examples galore of "loaded" teams not doing so well. Elon would probably bogart my grant request and I have no research skills, one issue would be the definition of blue chippas, 1st rounders seem obvious but some years the top couple, few, half of the second round would be included, other years the cut off may be the 20th overall. Lots of lists of first rounders going south in the NHL ranks. I think we've been conditioned to think loaded teams are overrated, but I would bet no with 4+ first rounders has ever missed the tournament.
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