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nodakgirl93
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Is it terrible to admit I'm actually starting to lose interest in und hockey because of Berry? We all know what to expect from him as a coach by now. This definitely turning into a Lucia or Eaves situ

UND1983
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JFC we can’t even win in hockey.  This athletic department is in shambles

Blackheart
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I think they should expand their search and look outside the Sioux family.  Why limit yourself?

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On 12/24/2024 at 8:26 PM, SiouxFan100 said:

Is there a difference between having success and being successful? Winning conference titles means success but messing up the NCAA tournament means you weren’t successful???

What is the minimally acceptable standard?  And yes, I think it can and should shift and change.

I think we have been successful more often than not as winning 4 of the last 5 Penrose Cups = Success.  I recall it being touted that winning the McNaughton Cup (WCHA) was a bigger achievement than winning national championships because of the grind and consistency it took and I don't think that has changed with the NCHC and the Penrose.  Having said that, there are still meaningful games and expectations that come with achieving that seasonal goal and I agree that we have failed to meet those expectations. 

I doubt we'll all agree on a minimally acceptable standard, but I would still argue that winning a Penrose cup exceeds that standard. 

I think we have to consider that our recent poor NCAA performance is just the odds working themselves out with all the improbable FF runs Hakstol made.  ;)

 

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fightingsioux4life Grand Master

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5 minutes ago, RedFrog said:

I think we have to consider that our recent poor NCAA performance is just the odds working themselves out with all the improbable FF runs Hakstol made.  ;)

Then how many years should Denver have to miss the NCAA tournament for winning 3 Nattys over 8 years (excluding the COVID year)?

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On 12/24/2024 at 6:26 PM, MafiaMan said:

Wait, so Berry shouldn’t be on the hot seat because of his post-season performance but we’re going to judge Sandelin on the last season or two?  Seems like he’s had a pretty good 2011-2024 all things considered.  

Sandy has finished .500 or below 10 times at UMD. Just saying.

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1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

When is our turn to win 3 nattys with missing playoffs same amount of times

Just pointing out if Sandy was at UND with his record he would not have been the coach long enough to win 1 national title. Missed tournament 16 of 24 years as well.

So you are good with UND making tournament once every 3 years as long as they win a title on average every 8 years. So by your math and throwing out 2020(unfortunate because it really was a two team race that season), Berry is good as long as we win a Natty by 2031-32 and he has 2-3 more passes to miss the playoffs over the same time period.

For the record, don't get it twisted, I think Berry's seat should be pretty warm right now.

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gfhockey Grand Master

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11 minutes ago, petey23 said:

Just pointing out if Sandy was at UND with his record he would not have been the coach long enough to win 1 national title. Missed tournament 16 of 24 years as well.

So you are good with UND making tournament once every 3 years as long as they win a title on average every 8 years. So by your math and throwing out 2020(unfortunate because it really was a two team race that season), Berry is good as long as we win a Natty by 2031-32 and he has 2-3 more passes to miss the playoffs over the same time period.

For the record, don't get it twisted, I think Berry's seat should be pretty warm right now.

It seems like most everyone in this site is good with making the tournament once out of three years

petey23 Mentor

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31 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

It seems like most everyone in this site is good with making the tournament once out of three years

Kind of seems the opposite of that. Hence, this thread.

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31 minutes ago, sioux rube said:

Say what? 🤣

Maurice resources?  He’s asking about women’s clothes in their closets, as if we’d have anywhere near as much knowledge of such things as he does.

siouxkid12 Experienced

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3 hours ago, petey23 said:

Just pointing out if Sandy was at UND with his record he would not have been the coach long enough to win 1 national title. Missed tournament 16 of 24 years as well.

So you are good with UND making tournament once every 3 years as long as they win a title on average every 8 years. So by your math and throwing out 2020(unfortunate because it really was a two team race that season), Berry is good as long as we win a Natty by 2031-32 and he has 2-3 more passes to miss the playoffs over the same time period.

For the record, don't get it twisted, I think Berry's seat should be pretty warm right now.

You are correct. Sandy wouldn’t have lasted long here.
 

However, I will say that he wasn’t given the keys to a premier program. He took over for a program that hadn’t done a thing in years.

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TBH, making a run at the Frozen 4 every year, landing at least 3 or 4 chippas every year, but not winning the natty is the definition of power program.  I am not calling out Berry or the program, but from a program success perspective, we were much better two decades ago...

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2 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

TBH, making a run at the Frozen 4 every year, landing at least 3 or 4 chippas every year, but not winning the natty is the definition of power program.  I am not calling out Berry or the program, but from a program success perspective, we were much better two decades ago...

If you just want to look back to the beginning of the Blais tenure (for old timers like me, North Dakota will never have the dominance it had under Gino), I would argue that our most dominant four year stretch was from '96-97 to '99-00, not the four years under Hakstol when we went to the Frozen Four each year ('04-05 through '07-08).  And I don't even think it's close.

During the first four stretch, we saw all four seasons with at least 30 wins, only one season with double digit losses (10), three regular season titles, two league tourney titles, and two national championships.

Meanwhile, under Hakstol's four year stretch, yes we saw four straight Frozen Fours, but none of those teams won 30 games, they had losses of 11, 14, 15 and 16, they had zero regular season titles and one lone tourney title.

Furthermore, in the national tournament, the Blais teams were all essentially #1 seeds (one of the four top seeds in the entire tournament).  At that time there were 12 teams, and UND was either a #1 or #2 region seed each season. 

Hakstol's four teams were seeded #8, #7, #9 and #3 overall, respectively.

You want to know the other big difference.  Not a "chippah" to be seen on the Blais teams.  Zero first round draft picks.  Hakstol had at least 6 by my count.

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