SIOUXELEVENS Posted March 22 Author Posted March 22 We need recruits to think about UND as a great place to play and win a championship. That’s not happening right now. 3
scpa0305 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:47 AM, SIOUXELEVENS said: We need recruits to think about UND as a great place to play and win a championship. That’s not happening right now. Expand It’s going to take a while to build this back up.
tnt Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:44 AM, Cratter said: Not sure what you're missing. He also peaked his first year (in part cause of others). Be great for UND to get a coach who can actually build a program! Expand Seven Frozen Fours and never missing the tournament or home ice? 1 2
ChrisUND1 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:00 AM, Big A HG said: Expand This is damning. Well, it should be. 3
tnt Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:00 AM, Big A HG said: Expand Now can someone please show that list of all the teams that have more NCAA tournament wins than UND during the Berry era!
Cratter Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:46 AM, scpa0305 said: He did. We were a blue chip factory that was there at the end every year. What I witnessed tonight was the rock bottom into total mediocrity. The two programs couldn’t be further apart. Expand Hak's grade was about a B. Berry is like a D. But times have also changed. We don't know the long run of the breakup of the WCHA and the introduction of the NIL (& lesser extent social media). Berry could be struggling because of these (especially NIL). Or his age and the game/recruiting has left him behind. We all crave an "A" coach like Blais was though. That's my point: When will we actually get a program building coach, Hak nor Berry has been that guy.
Cratter Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:00 AM, Cratter said: Berry could be struggling because of these....Or his age.... Expand For context Hakstol was, I believe, 46 his last year coaching UND. Berry (hopefully his last year coaching UND) is currently 59 years of age. Age matters.
Rebel_Sioux Posted March 22 Posted March 22 (edited) I might be late to the party, but Berry needs to just preemptively start packing his office up when he gets home. There will be mass boycotts if he comes back next year and rightfully so. Edited March 22 by Rebel_Sioux Typo
Blackheart Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:24 AM, Cratter said: Let's be honest any person from this site could match Berry's NCAA win total since 2016. Expand Or at least be within one? 1
Blackheart Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:27 AM, Oxbow6 said: Schloss just tweeted 31 wins if you went by xG Expand Seriously? That's just the new gen version of shots on goal. #f*ckthat
Blackheart Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:39 AM, Hayduke1 said: Well. Now we can look forward to golf season? Track and field? softball? Expand My kid is in track and kills it! I'll send updates! 2
Blackheart Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:53 AM, tnt said: Seven Frozen Fours and never missing the tournament or home ice? Expand Correct!
tnt Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:16 AM, UND1983 said: Two or three year extension? Simple question Expand Seriously, if you aren’t planning on an extension, just rip off the bandaid now.
Cratter Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:15 AM, Blackheart said: Or at least be within one? Expand Cratter would easily make the frozen four. 1) Krissy engelstad...I need to borrow some money. 2) "vegas's finest" fly in on recruiting weekend 3) "pretend you're a normal college girl who's really interested in these men" 4) Cratter never lost a recruit, even to ASU! Times change but human behavior never does: Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll!
Big A HG Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 3:58 AM, tnt said: Now can someone please show that list of all the teams that have more NCAA tournament wins than UND during the Berry era! Expand I have two versions I keep handy....one is just straight up wins. The other awards more points for wins further into the tourney:
Popular Post Blackheart Posted March 22 Popular Post Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:00 AM, Cratter said: Hak's grade was about a B. Berry is like a D. But times have also changed. We don't know the long run of the breakup of the WCHA and the introduction of the NIL (& lesser extent social media). Berry could be struggling because of these (especially NIL). Or his age and the game/recruiting has left him behind. We all crave an "A" coach like Blais was though. That's my point: When will we actually get a program building coach, Hak nor Berry has been that guy. Expand Disagree...Hak was that guy; he got every last ounce of effort out those teams. Sometimes it just doesn't bounce your way but his UND teams had an identity that never quit and always got better as the season went on. Teams knew that if they were playing the Sioux they were going to be in for a rough ride. The team that made the Frozen Four in Philly (2014?) lost so many guys that they barely had enough to put out 4 full lines. Yet somehow they found a way. Yeah, Hakstol was HIM. 7
siouxforce19 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:26 AM, Blackheart said: Disagree...Hak was that guy; he got every last ounce of effort out those teams. Sometimes it just doesn't bounce your way but his UND teams had an identity that never quit and always got better as the season went on. Teams knew that if they were playing the Sioux they were going to be in for a rough ride. The team that made the Frozen Four in Philly (2014?) lost so many guys that they barely had enough to put out 4 full lines. Yet somehow they found a way. Yeah, Hakstol was HIM. Expand I think you are mixing up your teams. The team that could barely get 4 lines was in 2012. They lost to the Gophers in the regional final. The 2014 team was young on D and was carried by Zane to the Frozen Four. 1
Blackheart Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:29 AM, siouxforce19 said: I think you are mixing up your teams. The team that could barely get 4 lines was in 2012. They lost to the Gophers in the regional final. The 2014 team was young on D and was carried by Zane to the Frozen Four. Expand Wasn't 2012 the Pony Express that lost to Michigan in the F4 semis?
siouxforce19 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:31 AM, Blackheart said: Wasn't 2012 the Pony Express that lost to Michigan in the F4 semis? Expand That was 2011
Blackheart Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:31 AM, siouxforce19 said: That was 2011 Expand Yessir...I stand corrected.
Frozen4sioux Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:31 AM, Blackheart said: Wasn't 2012 the Pony Express that lost to Michigan in the F4 semis? Expand On 3/22/2025 at 4:31 AM, siouxforce19 said: That was 2011 Expand On 3/22/2025 at 4:32 AM, Blackheart said: Yessir...I stand corrected. Expand and we still dont speak of this 1
Cratter Posted March 22 Posted March 22 DU = NDSU Football. DU since 2004....first new head coach hire since new Ralph was built: 5 National Championships....UND 1 Our rivals been kicking our ass for multiple decades across lotta sports! Those are "A" programs who keep building even after coaching changes. Which UND, for whatever reason, does not have. 1
Cratter Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/22/2025 at 4:26 AM, Blackheart said: Disagree...Hak was that guy. Expand OK you rate him an A. I reserve that type for guys who win more than one Frozen Four game in game in 11 Years (and never winning a FF game after year one) but that's just me. Theres no hypotheticals in these scenarios. We have 11 years of actual Hakstol data to show what he can do as UND head coach. He literally never "built the program to higher grounds (in peak data points)." ......follow me for more as we talk more about the "mean, median, and mode" for those who fell asleep through statistics class. 1
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