2024 UND Football

[gundy1124]

7 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Like I said, path of least resistance, would be that.

And it's not far removed from the resume of the DC. 

Other than the picks vrs the Red Raiders, Joel was a really good player and the position he coached, safeties, pretty much runs the D.  Those are big differences.

I am much more on the Pawlak side if internal.

[Oxbow6]

38 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I see path of least resistance:

- King and Pawlak as co-OCs 
- King takes over QBs
- new hire guy takes over WRs
 

....and that leaves UND where after a 5-7 campaign in 2024?

[AJS]

17 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Sam King - 4 year QB Bemidji State with a stat line of 5-for-13 (38.5%) for 85 yards, for his career.  Place holder as a Sr.

Next, 2 years of quality control at UND (I don't even know what that means other than cutting up film, getting coffee and lunch for real coaches)

Then, 2 years GA at UMD to help with RBs.

Then, 5 years WR coach at UND.

There isn't an easier position to coach than WR and RB. 

Co -OC or OC......you got to be kidding.

What does his stat line in college have to do with how effective he is as a coach? 

[SiouxBoys]

Just now, AJS said:

What does his stat line in college have to do with how effective he is as a coach? 

Literally nothing.

[SooToo]

16 hours ago, homer said:

 

An up and coming coach with some balls and confidence will take this job.  Three weeks ago this board was on board with the offense being the strength of this team. Nothing changed but the coach.  Two really good QBs, really good young RBs, one of the best WRs in FCS and a well above average OL.  Not a bad start for someone with a pair to prove it and the desire to move up. 

I think Homer's got it. There may be some who hesitate, but I gotta believe plenty of capable young coaches would be excited by the chance to prove their abilities at an upper-tier fcs program.

For better or worse, mobility and change are inherent factors in climbing the career ladder for ambitious young coaches. Look at everybody's favorite, Kalen DeBoer; 3-4 years at Sioux Falls, then barely time to unpack his bags at a half dozen stops on his way to Washington.

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 hours ago, Devils said:

I do chuckle a little bit...while I am troubled by Danny's departure, some threads on here have had posts by the usual negative suspects that our coaches never leave because no one wants them.  Now, when one moves on the program is judged to be in shambles.  

Kind of missing the point, aren’t you? The one coach on staff that could replace Bubba as head coach and do better than him has left, and he took a lesser position at a rival institution. That is the issue. 

[gundy1124]

25 minutes ago, AJS said:

What does his stat line in college have to do with how effective he is as a coach? 

Aside from a starter having the experience to actually run an offense live, 2-minute, audibles, RPOs, hot routes, check with me, all sorts of in game adjustments and abilities/responsibilities to change plays and work with OC on what he's seeing and possible input on game plans, nothing.

[RhettRingers]

What happens with Danny when Jimmy Rogers moves on to become a DC at a Power 5 program? 

[nodak651]

9 minutes ago, RhettRingers said:

What happens with Danny when Jimmy Rogers moves on to become a DC at a Power 5 program? 

SDSU head coach!

[Sioux_FF]

19 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Kind of missing the point, aren’t you? The one coach on staff that could replace Bubba as head coach and do better than him has left, and he took a lesser position at a rival institution. That is the issue. 

Are you basing this on your personal experience as a college football player? Or is it based more on your varied experience as a college football coach?   Or, both?

[sioux24/7]

Jake Landry has some experience but are we going to be excited if he happens to be it? I don’t know enough about how he’s done at Temple and now the OC at St. Thomas other than his offense declined in year 2. 

[The Sicatoka]

55 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

....and that leaves UND where after a 5-7 campaign in 2024?

Circa 2013. 

[The Sicatoka]

Kelly Howe's (UNDFootball360) logic makes more sense by the minute: "Bubba’s contract status. Tough to be hanging around when a coach is nearing the end of his contract with no guarantee of an extension in sight. Bubba has two years left, which in the football terms means he has one year left." 

What outsider wants to come in and put themselves at risk of being gone in possibly ten months if Bubba retires. 

[Shawn-O]

2 hours ago, ND-fan said:

I have gut feeling Chaves comes in next week or two and extends Bubba’s contract a year based on this past year. The under lying reason is to bring outside OC giving that person that will be some continuity in the program. This would guarantee at least two or three year commitment. Second if he doesn’t we loose players and have terrible season go backwards  loss in revenues and having back to back seasons limbo could destroy the program even worse then 2013 year and then to get somebody to take over the program may set the program back even further. I believe Chaves wants continuity and having program maintains upper quality level with ability to get to championship level and within long-term goal of staying in budget. I wonder what will be reaction from people on this board if this happens. 

If this actually comes to fruition, I urge all of us to contact President Armacost's office post haste.  

[AJS]

24 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Aside from a starter having the experience to actually run an offense live, 2-minute, audibles, RPOs, hot routes, check with me, all sorts of in game adjustments and abilities/responsibilities to change plays and work with OC on what he's seeing and possible input on game plans, nothing.

Good info. Curious why you'd be on the Pawlak side if internal than? Or just being a college starter at any position is the pre-requisite to being a competent OC? 

[homer]

14 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Kelly Howe's (UNDFootball360) logic makes more sense by the minute: "Bubba’s contract status. Tough to be hanging around when a coach is nearing the end of his contract with no guarantee of an extension in sight. Bubba has two years left, which in the football terms means he has one year left." 

What outsider wants to come in and put themselves at risk of being gone in possibly ten months if Bubba retires. 

Again, a coach that can see some really good offensive talent and is confident enough he can average 30+ pts per game like Danny did.  
 

On this board I have seen anywhere from 4-9 wins predicted for next year, mostly because of questions on defense.  If a coach comes in, the team wins 9 and Bubba pulls a Saban and hangs it up someone has positioned themself pretty well.  
 

If we are going to play the movement for Danny is a good thing, there is another coach out there looking for the same opportunity.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

6 hours ago, siouxfan512 said:

There are some on this forum that are very jealous of hockey. Hockey has facilities, funding, fans and success. These fans like to boast that if hockey wasn't a priority and the funding was diverted to football, we would magically be perennial national champs. Of course it isn't that simple and you don't tear down one successful program to try to build another. You try to build another successful program in addition to what you have.

Now I'm a big UND football fan too, and there is no doubt they could use some additional funding, probably mostly in the form of coaching salaries (and maybe some new white jerseys), but to blaming hockey is just the quick scapegoat. Any easy way of showing how jealous they are of the success they want for the sport they don't care about.

Had Ralph donated all that money towards a football stadium, you wouldn't hear a peep from this crowd, and how great would it be if we had someone willing to donate that for football as well. It would be incredible! But most schools don't get that for any sport let alone one. The REA has been fantastic for hockey and the community. The Alerus isn't a bad facility either. Its not my person favorite, but its not a bad place to watch a game.

Rather than placing blame on the alumni that did donate a ton to the University, I'd focus more on our AD who hands out unwarranted contract extensions and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base. It doesn't even need to be a ton more, but they do need to increase the salaries to be competitive. Maybe that will be the focus now that Phase 2 is on its way. I'm not sure it is even that much more money that would need to be raise .... I have no idea, but something needs to be done. When Bubba is gone, it would be really nice to see UND make a splash in hiring (but I doubt it). Problems run deeper at UND that money. There is also just and administrative approach and routine that never seems to change.

Being a “hockey university” is a unique, highly criticizable position to begin with, but sure, you could say jealousy is a small part of it.

[ChrisUND1]

3 hours ago, homer said:

When the time comes to select a new head coach, I hope a QB coach at an FCS school isn’t the choice.  
 

If you want to keep it in the UND tree there are other guys that have actually been part of the building of successful programs.  

I don’t want Fruend back at UND.  He has burned this bridge.  Do you really want to welcome an employee back who bailed on your institution?  That said, I wish him well. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Sad thing is Bubba is willing to throw away an entire season so he can continue to do what he wants and collect a check.  Pretty much everyone knows he should've stepped aside after the Sacramento State debacle.  

Exactly. Stubbornness and greed. I’ve lost nearly all respect for him and his posse. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

The most honest take I've seen, from UNDFootball360: 

Danny made a strategic move for Danny. I don't blame him. He's responding to circumstance around him. 

Danny cannot be blamed with this at all. He absolutely made the right move given the circumstances. This fiasco is a result of horrific decisions made (or not made) by Bubba Schweigert, Bill Chaves, and the entire UND athletics administration. With that said, their hands are somewhat tied, unfortunately, given the highly controversial agreement with REA, Inc., Engelstads, etc. … an agreement that probably works if you’re a division II institution, but not a division I institution.

[Nodak78]

45 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Jake Landry has some experience but are we going to be excited if he happens to be it? I don’t know enough about how he’s done at Temple and now the OC at St. Thomas other than his offense declined in year 2. 

Jake Landry - Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks - Football Coaches - The University of St. Thomas (tommiesports.com)

"Under Landry's guidance, the Purple offense took a leap forward during its 2022 Pioneer Football League championship run. The Tommies led the PFL scoring 32.6 points per game and was fourth with 378.0 yards per game. Offensive lineman Matt Weimann earned a selection to the Phil Steele Magazine All-America Fourth Team after helping the offense rank tied for fifth in the FCS with 45 tackles for loss allowed and tied for 10th with 12 sacks allowed. Landry also led the Tommie offense to rank tied for 11th in FCS with a 48.2 percent third-down conversion rate and 21st with 200.2 rushing yards per game."

[gundy1124]

25 minutes ago, AJS said:

Good info. Curious why you'd be on the Pawlak side if internal than? Or just being a college starter at any position is the pre-requisite to being a competent OC? 

Everything starts up front with the O-line.  O-line Coach knows RB and TE blocking responsibilities.  O-Line coaches have a base belief and strong working knowledge of blocking concepts in run/pass game.  O-Line, especially Center has in game checks and their O-line Coach teaches them. O-Line coaches are involved in schematics with OC I believe in most cases. (If we can't block it, we can't run it).  O-Line coach knows realistic timing of each play.

Playing time helps anywhere from a little to quite a bit.  It's never hurt a coach having a ton of playing time.

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Betty’s paid off in 2023. Where’s that cash savings going now

Hockey, probably …

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, ND-fan said:

I have gut feeling Chaves comes in next week or two and extends Bubba’s contract a year based on this past year. The under lying reason is to bring outside OC giving that person that will be some continuity in the program. This would guarantee at least two or three year commitment. Second if he doesn’t we loose players and have terrible season go backwards  loss in revenues and having back to back seasons limbo could destroy the program even worse then 2013 year and then to get somebody to take over the program may set the program back even further. I believe Chaves wants continuity and having program maintains upper quality level with ability to get to championship level and within long-term goal of staying in budget. I wonder what will be reaction from people on this board if this happens. 

It wouldn’t be good. UND isn’t going to be good in 2024.

Extending Bubba only ensures UND football isn’t good for more seasons beyond that.  

But I get your reasoning, and it easily could happen, which is frightening.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

I've known Luke since the 1st day he stepped on campus and we still talk.  He's surely qualified, but I don't see a way UND can lure him.

I don’t see how UND can lure anyone outside program now … unless that person is clueless, in which case 2024 will be a disaster anyways.