2023-24 University of North Dakota Hockey Season

[petey23]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

This is their fourth year of countable competition and that’s all you get.

The 2020-21 is not a countable year for anyone. 

Yeah, not really arguing the semantics just pointing out that while 20-21 didn't count for anyone, most players played around 30 games that year while their school played 0.

Sidorski is a grad transfer I believe but Jandric was a transfer I believe....Just find it odd that somehow Lindsay Scott Jr. found his way onto a college football roster for 6 teams over 7 years.

[The Sicatoka]

Lindsay Scott had a medical exemption year and a COVID year so I understand how he could get seven academic years, it makes sense (usual five plus plus for seven). But six teams is a mystery to me. 

[The Sicatoka]

Don’t get lost in words like grad or fifth year. There is no standard NCAA language teams use. In UND case it’s if they are done with an undergraduate degree or taking grad courses. 

Use hockeydb.com and count seasons of competition (discounting -21). 

[The Sicatoka]

10 minutes ago, petey23 said:

Yeah, not really arguing the semantics just pointing out that while 20-21 didn't count for anyone, most players played around 30 games that year while their school played 0.

… and some played ten and shut down. The NCAA just disappeared the year given all the disparate scenarios. It was the simplest solution. 

[burd]

Not the right thread for this question, but does nchc tv archive games other than highlights?

[burd]

Someone explain Wilbur.   He's been available to play since forever.   

[Kevin G]

49 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Don’t get lost in words like grad or fifth year. There is no standard NCAA language teams use. In UND case it’s if they are done with an undergraduate degree or taking grad courses. 

Use hockeydb.com and count seasons of competition (discounting -21). 

In D1 hockey, how many games does a player have to appear in for that season to count as one of his four competitive seasons? (In FCS football, I believe a player can appear in four games before that year counts as one of his eligible seasons.)

[brianvf]

37 minutes ago, burd said:

Not the right thread for this question, but does nchc tv archive games other than highlights?

Yes. Took me a bit to find it. 
Go to schedule and it’ll show all the full games and highlights for every game. 

[The Sicatoka]

For a season to count I believe it is max 30% of  games plus one and none in second half of season, I believe. Don’t quote me.

Johnson played 13 all in first half, but I don’t know what number to calculate 30% of: 34 regular season, actual team games, or max played by any team this year.

 This is where I could use @Hammersmith help as they seem to know how to calculate if a season counts for a player. 

[burd]

11 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Yes. Took me a bit to find it. 
Go to schedule and it’ll show all the full games and highlights for every game. 

thx

[Wilbur]

51 minutes ago, burd said:

Someone explain Wilbur.   He's been available to play since forever.   

2001-2002: Enrolled at Minot state, turned down club hockey opportunity.  Honestly wouldn't have played, had some older better looking Canadians.  

2002-2003: Used the portal to transfer to UND, Blais did not offer opportunity to play.  Was in Brannon Hall instead of Walsh Hall.....Accepted offer to play on the Beta fraternity hockey team (Masta Beta) 

2003-2004: Intramural hockey all star.  Intramural basketball squad put on notice for rough play...most notably hip checks.  

2004-2005:  Continued Intramural success.  Intramural office changes basketball end game rules in part due to a bunch of hockey idiots roughing up basketball players.  Hak doesn't offer anything in his first year at the helm. 

2005-2006:  The swan song.  Hak not impressed enough to put me on the team.....Won a coed softball intramural championship on a walk off homer in my last ever intramural event.  Got purple t-shirt. 

Wilbur is done.

 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, burd said:

Someone explain Wilbur.   He's been available to play since forever.   

He is inexplicable. 

[The Sicatoka]

UNO G Kucharski would’ve been a nice portal but he left two eligible years to sign in the A.

[siouxforce19]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

UNO G Kucharski would’ve been a nice portal but he left two eligible years to sign in the A.

He could’ve gone to his 4th school!!  

[burd]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

He is inexplicable. 

It's good to know, sometimes, that there is just no knowing.

[Hammersmith]

16 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

For a season to count I believe it is max 30% of  games plus one and none in second half of season, I believe. Don’t quote me.

Johnson played 13 all in first half, but I don’t know what number to calculate 30% of: 34 regular season, actual team games, or max played by any team this year.

 This is where I could use @Hammersmith help as they seem to know how to calculate if a season counts for a player. 

I don't know your players. Are we talking injury or redshirt?

Actually, I don't think it matters.

Redshirt: There is no exemption for ice hockey like there is for football. In hockey, if you play one game, you lose the season.

Injury: 30% of the season +1 = 11 games. Even if UND advances to the NCHC finals, it's still 11 games. We would have to interpret the rules as loosely as possible to allow all potential NCHC and NCAA championship games to count. Then the maximum number of games in a season for UND would be 34+2+4=40. 40*0.3=12; 12+1=13. He would just barely make the cutoff.

My gut says the only chance for Johnson's season to qualify for a hardship waiver is for UND to have played all 34 allowed regular season games, then make it to both the NCHC finals and NCAA finals. The chart says "the institution's completed schedule" not the maximum possible for any institution.

 

Figure 12-1, pages 76-77 according to the document, 89-90 according to the pdf reader:

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, Hammersmith said:

Redshirt: There is no exemption for ice hockey like there is for football. In hockey, if you play one game, you lose the season.

That's almost predatory to sports not football. 

They haven't claimed an injury on Brent Johnson. I guess it's as you say, " ... you play one game, you lose the season." 

And your "30%" calculation is what I get (except I get a 42 game NatChamp season: 34+4+4). 

@Hammersmith, thank you for confirming what I believed to be. 

[Hammersmith]

5 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

That's almost predatory to sports not football. 

They haven't claimed an injury on Brent Johnson. I guess it's as you say, " ... you play one game, you lose the season." 

And your "30%" calculation is what I get (except I get a 42 game NatChamp season: 34+4+4). 

@Hammersmith, thank you for confirming what I believed to be. 

I believe it's decided by each individual sport committee(which is made up of athletic directors that represent conferences that sponsor the sport). I don't think there's anything preventing the ice hockey committee from instituting a similar rule.

Field hockey, both soccers, all three volleyballs, both water polos, baseball, lacrosse, softball, and men's wrestling all have some form of allowing players to compete in a partial season without burning a season of competition. (in addition to football) 

[The Sicatoka]

Shouldn’t something like that be easily referenced in the DI manual? Wait, that’s logical and this is the NCAA. 

[Hammersmith]

11 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Shouldn’t something like that be easily referenced in the DI manual? Wait, that’s logical and this is the NCAA. 

That's where I got it. Section 12.8.3 - Criteria for Determining Season of Competition. The exceptions are 12.8.3.1.1 through 12.8.3.1.7. Pages 66-67 according to the manual, or 79-80 according to the pdf.

[The Sicatoka]

That section is an “exceptional” nightmare to read.

 I’d say the summary is: this season counts as season of competition for Brent Johnson. 

[SiouxFanatic]

Well. That’s, that. What turned out to be an underachieving and overall disappointing season comes to end. I hope Frisch stays and I don’t see any reason why Kleven wouldn’t sign with Ottawa. I think he’s ready to play big boy hockey. Gaber? Dude was invisible the last game of season but I hope he stays.

[SuhakiYeahYeah]

I'm pumped about the incoming forward recruits, but now what is the situation with the D corps and goaltending?

[brianvf]

Just now, SuhakiYeahYeah said:

I'm pumped about the incoming forward recruits, but now what is the situation with the D corps and goaltending?

TBD

[Oldguy]

After this season's debacle, I can't be optimistic about next season.  D and G are huge, gaping holes that we have no confidence in at this point.  Scary where this program looks to be headed.