UND (1-1) vs Pacific (1-1) 11/15 7PM

[Nodak78]

11 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Here are my thoughts on some very glaring issues that can be easily fixed and help this team at least be competitive.

1. On defense we need to stop high hedging ball screens. Nobody does that ball screen coverage anymore. That is an old fashioned style of coverage. There is a reason nobody runs it anymore. We need to stop with that. Move to the more modern drop coverage. 

2. We need to get up and pressure more. Speed the other teams up. Take chances for steals. So far this year and in the years past with Sather we have shown that our defense is abysmal. Do the full-court man to man pressure that they showed in the exhibition. The other teams can do whatever they want, get to whatever spot they want, and are never sped up or having things made difficult for them. 

3. Sather needs to choose 7-8 guys that are good enough to play and just let them play. That includes the current starting 5 and Treysen, Norman, and Mathews. Enough of this playing 12 guys in the first half. We do not have skilled enough players to play more than 8 guys. Play the best 8 and let them figure it out.

4. This goes off of the last point but whichever assistant coach that is doing the subbing needs to stop. Way too many subs way too often. Nobody can get in a rhythm. A player makes a shot and they get taken out. None of it makes sense. Let the players play and get in some sort of a rhythm. 

5. Omot should play 34-36 minutes, Trent should play 34-36 minutes, Brooks should play 30+, TT should play 30+ minutes, Treysen should get the most minutes off the bench. Let our best players (especially the young guys) play the most minutes. They bring the best energy and are the most skilled players. If this is another "rebuilding year" let them play and develop throughout the year.

6. Our whole halfcourt offense needs to change. We get nothing in the halfcourt. Enough of this running a play every single possession. It ruins the flow of the game and doesn't allow the players to just play and react. We need to go to a 5 out offense. We are full of guys that refuse to shoot the 3 ball and want to do nothing but drive. But there is nowhere to drive since we have TT and/or Sueker standing in the paint. No driving lanes at all. Move to a 5 out motion and let the players make plays from there. 

I think that covers the main issues that I am seeing. It is very frustrating to see the exact same issues year after year with no changes being made. I still think this team can be competitive as the year moves on, but last night was a wakeup call that things need to be changed and they need to be changed asap!

Wait until we get to conference play before limiting to 8 players.

[Kab]

What’s with Nero?

do we have anyone that can drive the bucket and shoot or dish?

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

4. This goes off of the last point but whichever assistant coach that is doing the subbing needs to stop. Way too many subs way too often. Nobody can get in a rhythm. A player makes a shot and they get taken out. None of it makes sense. Let the players play and get in some sort of a rhythm.

Maybe Brad Berry is moonlighting as a MBB assistant? 

[Nodak78]

38 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Let the 8 guys build some chemistry and get a feel for each other now while it's non-conference games. No sense in playing all these different lineups that don't work and won't play together in conference play. We have all new/young guys that need to build some chemistry. Now is the time to do that. 

Great idea until conference play and players get injured and foul trouble then you play someone with very little playing.  Relax it will be figured in the next few week.

[sioux24/7]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

I think Nero's performance last night showed why he fell so far out of the lineup. Doesn't play any defense. Just pounds the ball into the floor the whole time on offense. Doesn't make shots. I hate to say it, but he just doesn't bring much to the team. 

Nero looked like the student manager finally getting a chance to suit up and went in chucking whenever he could. 

[SWSiouxMN]

The only good thing is that they get to play tomorrow

 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Let the 8 guys build some chemistry and get a feel for each other now while it's non-conference games. No sense in playing all these different lineups that don't work and won't play together in conference play. We have all new/young guys that need to build some chemistry. Now is the time to do that. 

How would you actually know what that rotation should be without running different combinations in OOC games?
It isn't going to be in practice....

[jdub27]

15 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

I can assure you in college basketball that you have a very good idea of the best rotations going into the first game. You learn that even before the first game. I mean, that is what preseason scrimmages/practices are for. That is what exhibitions are for. That is what regular practice is for. I get it you may try a different lineup here or there in OOC games but to consistently play 12 guys in a half and think it is going to be successful is just crazy....

And I can assure you that almost every college basketball team in the nation is playing 10-12 guys right now, trying to dial in their rotation to get it down to 8-9 core guys.

[Kab]

KP ratings today

UND 345

Only 363 teams in D1

Lose 18 points and we are the worst team in the country 

dropped 12 rating pints after the loss to Pacific 

can we move up?

[jdub27]

16 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

This couldn't be more false! Take for example the Duke vs Kansas and Kentucky vs Mich St games last night, three of the teams played 8 guys in their rotation with the exception of Kentucky playing 9. Teams are not playing 10-12 guys in a half. The majority will play 8 and others will AT MOST play 10 and will dwindle it down to 8-9 guys here within their next couple games. There is a reason we are the worst team in college basketball. NOBODY plays 10-12 guys in a half.

LOL. Wake me up when we're somewhere in the top 10% of college basketball and are constantly bringing in blue chips that makes it a little more clear on who should and shouldn't be on the court.

UND played 8 guys double digit minutes against IWU. Two more played a handful of minutes, including one they see as a potential huge piece of the future who they are slowly immersing into the college game. 3 of those 10 are true freshman seeing their first college action.

Last night, despite the game mostly being out of hand the 2nd half, it was pretty similar. 9 guys played double digit minutes. Sueker played a bit less than normal, trying to get him back into game shape with getting him reinjured so Mathews got a little more run. Gave a few other guys a handful of minutes.

So UND is pretty much already doing what you're screaming about outside of a few token minutes here or there. On top of that, it is tough to get an accurate read on it when 3 of the 4 games they have played have ended with point differentials of 30 or more.

 

[jdub27]

16 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

You literally said, " And I can assure you that almost every college basketball team in the nation is playing 10-12 guys right now" then I show you that teams aren't doing that and you backtrack. We'll just agree to disagree on this one. Either way, it is very obvious that Sather needs to make some changes in the way he coaches this team if we want to be competitive. 

I thought UND was rotating more than they actually were before I took a deeper look. Turns out I was wrong on that and they are already a lot closer to doing then what you are yelling that they aren't.

Its going to be a process when you lose your one or two best young players every year.
I disagree that the transfer portal is the sole way to do that. Prefer not to go through the locker room issues that were here a few years ago.
I think Sather has the ability to figure it out. And I think we can all agree that it hopefully comes sooner than later.

[dmksioux]

23 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I thought UND was rotating more than they actually were before I took a deeper look. Turns out I was wrong on that and they are already a lot closer to doing then what you are yelling that they aren't.

Its going to be a process when you lose your one or two best young players every year.
I disagree that the transfer portal is the sole way to do that. Prefer not to go through the locker room issues that were here a few years ago.
I think Sather has the ability to figure it out. And I think we can all agree that it hopefully comes sooner than later.

The frustration is every team has transfers out and end up recruiting the portal.  I believe Pacific starting five were all transfer portal players.  The difference in skill, atheleticism and overall speed/decision making was quite obvious.

Either Sather does not choose to recruit DI athletes or his system is holding back the DI talent we have.  It's not like Pacific is bball powerhouse.  They were just quicker, better coached and more athletic.  

I don't know if Sather is able to coach or recruit at the DI level.  Thus far, it appears he can't.

[sioux24/7]

Yesterdays rotation was as large as it was because the game went pear shaped so quickly. They did have a decent run going towards the end of the first half and then just subbed half or most of the guys out and things ballooned again instantly. 

[NewUndFan]

I have heard we cant make a team better with the transfer portal or that students do not want to come to Grand Forks to play.  I will use our new volleyball coach as an example of what a good coach can do.  Our team won 1 game last year.  He used the transfer portal and brought in players to Grand Forks.  He transformed that team into a contender in almost one year.   They have fallen back a little here at the end but will make the Summit League tournament for the first time.  He also signed 4 athletes last week that look to be studs.  Two of the athletes are coming from Texas and California.  Proving that you CAN use the transfer portal and you CAN get players to come here to play sports for the right coach.    

[sioux24/7]

The transfer portal is a quick duct tape fix. It may hold you on long enough so that your traditional high school approach can start taking place though. 
 

Basically if I were the head coach, I would hit the transfer portal hard to start. Try to build a winning season(s) but slowly filter in the high school approach as I believe that has a better chance at sustained success. But you obviously have to retain your kids and let them develop. 

[SD UND]

1 hour ago, dmksioux said:

The frustration is every team has transfers out and end up recruiting the portal.  I believe Pacific starting five were all transfer portal players.  The difference in skill, atheleticism and overall speed/decision making was quite obvious.

Either Sather does not choose to recruit DI athletes or his system is holding back the DI talent we have.  It's not like Pacific is bball powerhouse.  They were just quicker, better coached and more athletic.  

I don't know if Sather is able to coach or recruit at the DI level.  Thus far, it appears he can't.

You are a 19-22 year old Division 1 athlete... you are looking to continue to play college basketball... your two choices are Grand Forks, ND or Stockton, CA... 

 

You people that think UND is going to be able to just pillage the transfer portal... and get the kids you NEED to get out of there to compete with NDSU, SDSU, ORU... it's not going to happen... I'm sorry, Grand Forks and UND is not a destination for recruits... save me the "well volleyball did it" "Well football did it" that is apples to oranges. 

UND has to do it the way they are doing it and they have to strike gold with a couple of these guys.

[GoodGood]

7 minutes ago, SD UND said:

You are a 19-22 year old Division 1 athlete... you are looking to continue to play college basketball... your two choices are Grand Forks, ND or Stockton, CA... 

 

You people that think UND is going to be able to just pillage the transfer portal... and get the kids you NEED to get out of there to compete with NDSU, SDSU, ORU... it's not going to happen... I'm sorry, Grand Forks and UND is not a destination for recruits... save me the "well volleyball did it" "Well football did it" that is apples to oranges. 

UND has to do it the way they are doing it and they have to strike gold with a couple of these guys.

You know what else kids are looking for? A bigger opportunity and role. You tell them we have a roster full of d2 guys. If you come here you have 20 shots a game coming your way. Show them Marlon Stewart’s tape. Led conference in points and assists under Sather. Hundreds of kids in the portal would love to have that opportunity 

[Shawn-O]

20 minutes ago, SD UND said:

You are a 19-22 year old Division 1 athlete... you are looking to continue to play college basketball... your two choices are Grand Forks, ND or Stockton, CA... 

 

You people that think UND is going to be able to just pillage the transfer portal... and get the kids you NEED to get out of there to compete with NDSU, SDSU, ORU... it's not going to happen... I'm sorry, Grand Forks and UND is not a destination for recruits... save me the "well volleyball did it" "Well football did it" that is apples to oranges. 

UND has to do it the way they are doing it and they have to strike gold with a couple of these guys.

Like Brookings is Bora Bora, give me a break.   

[SD UND]

1 minute ago, Shawn-O said:

Like Brookings is Bora Bora, give me a break.   

Their portal kids are from Lincoln, NE and Yankton, SD.. try again.

[jdub27]

12 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

You know what else kids are looking for? A bigger opportunity and role. You tell them we have a roster full of d2 guys. If you come here you have 20 shots a game coming your way. Show them Marlon Stewart’s tape. Led conference in points and assists under Sather. Hundreds of kids in the portal would love to have that opportunity 

And then they get here and aren't what you expected? Then what?
There's a reason a lot of those kids are in the portal. I'm not saying that transfers can't work out, UND has plenty of success (and failures) with it. But it isn't guaranteed to fix the problems and can end up with even more. 

[GoodGood]

1 minute ago, jdub27 said:

And then they get here and aren't what you expected? Then what?
There's a reason a lot of those kids are in the portal. I'm not saying that transfers can't work out, UND has plenty of success (and failures) with it. But it isn't guaranteed to fix the problems and can end up with even more. 

It can’t get any worse. We were the 350th best d1 team last year. We’ll be fighting with Mississippi Valley Delta of the Deaf for last place if we continue to bring in the level of athlete we have the last couple of years 

[NewUndFan]

53 minutes ago, SD UND said:

You are a 19-22 year old Division 1 athlete... you are looking to continue to play college basketball... your two choices are Grand Forks, ND or Stockton, CA... 

 

You people that think UND is going to be able to just pillage the transfer portal... and get the kids you NEED to get out of there to compete with NDSU, SDSU, ORU... it's not going to happen... I'm sorry, Grand Forks and UND is not a destination for recruits... save me the "well volleyball did it" "Well football did it" that is apples to oranges. 

UND has to do it the way they are doing it and they have to strike gold with a couple of these guys.

Stockton CA has one of the highest crime levels in the country.  And I dont see what the difference in the portal for football or volleyball.  It can be done and you CAN bring kids to Grand Forks.  If you can get them Vermillion and Brookings you can bring them Grand Forks which offers more then either of those cities.  Both SD teams are way better then UND and its not because Vermillion or Brookings is better then Grand Forks.  They have coaches that know how to sell their program and know how to coach.  

[SD UND]

Who is USD's or SDSU's big portal gets from outside the region?

[NewUndFan]

9 minutes ago, SD UND said:

Who is USD's or SDSU's big portal gets from outside the region?

 I'm sorry, Grand Forks and UND is not a destination for recruits.  This is what you said.  This is what I am referring to.  I also said the portal should be used as a tool. I NEVER said build your whole team on the portal.  That is the coach's decision.  What I said is that using Grand Forks as a destination as a excuse not getting players is not correct.  I dont care if the coach decides to use all portal kids all freshman all seniors.  All I care is that we get players that know how to play division 1 basketball and win.   Pacific used the portal to fill their whole team.   Does that mean UND needs to do that? NO thats not what I am saying.  I dont care who USD or SDSU got from the portal.  They got kids there with worse cities then Grand Forks.    Your comment that Grand Forks and UND is not a destination is bogus, that is a excuse.  We get good players here for all other sports.  Like Vermillion and Brookings is a destination for recruits give me a break. 

[UND1983]

Jones had no problem getting talented kids to come here. Not saying anything about his style, culture, whatever.  Just the fact he had some talented teams that would run this team off the court.