Spuds need ... drivers?

[Oxbow6]

8 hours ago, CMSioux said:

Gotta call BS on the "Nobody wants to work" troup.

The owners of McKenzie River and Johnny Carinos (just to name a couple) in Bismarck would like a word with you.

[SWSiouxMN]

3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

The owners of McKenzie River and Johnny Carinos (just to name a couple) in Bismarck would like a word with you.

Still?

I was hearing this all the way back in September 2020 from my wife's family that lives up there. 

 

[FightingSU]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Still?

I was hearing this all the way back in September 2020 from my wife's family that lives up there. 

 

Yes, they just closed. Due to not enough staff

[The Sicatoka]

Famous Dave's and Carino's in Fargo both closed: staffing. 

[FightingSU]

57 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Famous Dave's and Carino's in Fargo both closed: staffing. 

Famous Dav'es really? Jeeze... keeps adding up

[Hammersmith]

4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Famous Dave's and Carino's in Fargo both closed: staffing. 

Almost a year ago. They closed late Nov of last year. Not seeing any news about the takeout-only location attached to Granite City closing and their online ordering system is still up.

[Cratter]

Wow. Restaurants close in large cities too.

Who knew!

[FightingSU]

1 hour ago, Cratter said:

Wow. Restaurants close in large cities too.

Who knew!

“Large cities”

[Cratter]

1 hour ago, FightingSU said:

“Large cities”

One of the largest in the Midwest (and West) minus the "Metros."

[FightingSU]

7 minutes ago, Cratter said:

One of the largest in the Midwest (and West) minus the "Metros."

Yeah, Fair enough. Fargo is bigger than I’d like to live in anyway. I’m just being an ass 

[UNDBIZ]

On 9/30/2022 at 1:56 PM, Oxbow6 said:

The owners of McKenzie River and Johnny Carinos (just to name a couple) in Bismarck would like a word with you.

The owner of Mckenzie river in Bismarck was the reason he had no staff. Unfortunate because I liked their food. 

[SiouxFan100]

One thing to drive a bus when you have coaches along to discipline if needed

 

[Johnny Five]

A buddy owns a propane company and is looking for a driver.  I asked him about it....he said one problem, rules were changed and in order to get a CDL you have to take a class which costs $4-$5K.  Imagine how many bus trips that takes to pay back.  So as the older generation quits driving bus, it is now more difficult (or ridiculously expensive anyway) to get the CDL in order to do so.

[The Sicatoka]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

A buddy owns a propane company and is looking for a driver.  I asked him about it....he said one problem, rules were changed and in order to get a CDL you have to take a class which costs $4-$5K.  Imagine how many bus trips that takes to pay back.  So as the older generation quits driving bus, it is now more difficult (or ridiculously expensive anyway) to get the CDL in order to do so.

That doesn't sound right. 
https://www.dot.nd.gov/divisions/driverslicense/cdlrequirements.htm#cost 

[DL Sioux]

16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

That doesn't sound right. 
https://www.dot.nd.gov/divisions/driverslicense/cdlrequirements.htm#cost 

It is correct.  Starting in Feb. of 22 all new commercial drivers are required to take ELDT (Entry Level Driver Training).  I believe now that some companies are getting their own staff trained so they can offer the training in-house.

[Johnny Five]

Yeah sorry I didn't have all the details.  Just what he said as he's trying to hire drivers.  So imagine a school bussing company attempting to find new drivers. 

[The Sicatoka]

So say you have a guy that's been driving tandem axle trucks since he was 9 or 10. Was float shifting at 12. Went on to a career where he wrote software to automate a manual transmission to be self-shifting based on driver push-button commands so he's driven Class 8s around a test track "a couple times". And he may have written software for school buses so he's driven those too. That guy has to do this whole new hokey-pokey* should he want a CDL? Asking for a friend. 

*https://www.ndmca.org/entry-level-driver-training-theory-class-a/ 

I'm telling ya, the elected officials and bureaucrats who come up with this stuff couldn't organize a three-car parade: They can't see the logical outcome of a decision path. 

[DL Sioux]

24 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

So say you have a guy that's been driving tandem axle trucks since he was 9 or 10. Was float shifting at 12. Went on to a career where he wrote software to automate a manual transmission to be self-shifting based on driver push-button commands so he's driven Class 8s around a test track "a couple times". And he may have written software for school buses so he's driven those too. That guy has to do this whole new hokey-pokey* should he want a CDL? Asking for a friend. 

*https://www.ndmca.org/entry-level-driver-training-theory-class-a/ 

I'm telling ya, the elected officials and bureaucrats who come up with this stuff couldn't organize a three-car parade: They can't see the logical outcome of a decision path. 

[nodakvindy]

11 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

So say you have a guy that's been driving tandem axle trucks since he was 9 or 10. Was float shifting at 12. Went on to a career where he wrote software to automate a manual transmission to be self-shifting based on driver push-button commands so he's driven Class 8s around a test track "a couple times". And he may have written software for school buses so he's driven those too. That guy has to do this whole new hokey-pokey* should he want a CDL? Asking for a friend. 

*https://www.ndmca.org/entry-level-driver-training-theory-class-a/ 

I'm telling ya, the elected officials and bureaucrats who come up with this stuff couldn't organize a three-car parade: They can't see the logical outcome of a decision path. 

Just putting the blame where it belongs. Often those "bureacrats" have their hands tied by elected officials or political appointees who make decision on things they know nothing about. 

Of course the DMV, they're just @#$^&.

[FightingSU]

On 10/2/2022 at 5:56 PM, UNDBIZ said:

The owner of Mckenzie river in Bismarck was the reason he had no staff. Unfortunate because I liked their food. 

Dr. Bopp

[FightingSU]

12 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

So say you have a guy that's been driving tandem axle trucks since he was 9 or 10. Was float shifting at 12. Went on to a career where he wrote software to automate a manual transmission to be self-shifting based on driver push-button commands so he's driven Class 8s around a test track "a couple times". And he may have written software for school buses so he's driven those too. That guy has to do this whole new hokey-pokey* should he want a CDL? Asking for a friend. 

*https://www.ndmca.org/entry-level-driver-training-theory-class-a/ 

I'm telling ya, the elected officials and bureaucrats who come up with this stuff couldn't organize a three-car parade: They can't see the logical outcome of a decision path. 

Yes. They have made it extremely difficult to fill the CDL driver shortage.

I am in transportation and logistics working for a larger LTL freight company, and we have so many openings for CDL drivers..

On top of all that, the CDL classes that are required are 8-5  M-F for about 3 weeks, and cost a bunch of money  (about $6,000) and you cannot miss much at all!

So, unless you already don’t have a job, and you DO have the money to go do the classes. You’re screwed. 

You can’t take 3-4 weeks off work, pay to go do the classes and hope you find a job after you finish. On top of all of that, most LTL or truckload companies won’t hire a driver with less than 1 full year of experience due to insurance reasons, AND, you have to at least be 21 which rules  out a lot of kids that would go get a CDL at 18 - but those same kids are going into diesel tech or welding programs instead( or whatever else) by the time they are 21, they have a career in a good trade or could be even be graduated with a 4 year degree (most of which are trash these days anyway, but still)
 

BSC has been trying to help out by getting their CDL program off the ground and doubling the training units they have, along with starting a diesel tech program, but the insurance companies and Washington have both created the shortage and exacerbated the problem with all the new regulations.
 
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk  

BSC CDL program :  

https://bismarckstate.edu/continuingeducation/business/Career-Pathways/Commercial-Driving-(CDL)/

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

6 hours ago, FightingSU said:

On top of all that, the CDL classes that are required are 8-5  M-F for about 3 weeks, and cost a bunch of money  (about $6,000) and you cannot miss much at all!

Hmmm.  I know where to find a bunch of captive people who are already available for those class times and whose education is already fully subsidized…HIGH SCHOOL.

It seems that society looks to trade schools, colleges, and universities almost exclusively to meet workforce needs, but we definitely need to expand our thinking.  A quarter or module of HS devoted to CDL might actually draw students, and could open a pipeline that will address the problem.  Anybody know if these programs exist?

And speaking about captive learners, what about prisons?

[Johnny Five]

6 hours ago, FightingSU said:

 

On top of all that, the CDL classes that are required are 8-5  M-F for about 3 weeks, and cost a bunch of money  (about $6,000) and you cannot miss much at all!

 

WTF...3 weeks and $6K.  Unbelievable.  

[FightingSU]

6 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Hmmm.  I know where to find a bunch of captive people who are already available for those class times and whose education is already fully subsidized…HIGH SCHOOL.

It seems that society looks to trade schools, colleges, and universities almost exclusively to meet workforce needs, but we definitely need to expand our thinking.  A quarter or module of HS devoted to CDL might actually draw students, and could open a pipeline that will address the problem.  Anybody know if these programs exist?

And speaking about captive learners, what about prisons?

Agreed. But you’d still have to get the age minimum From 21 changed. 

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

Just now, FightingSU said:

Agreed. But you’d still have to get the age minimum From 21 changed. 

Or you could have tiered licensing, and apprentice gigs (smaller equipment?) from 18-21.