2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Siouxperman8]

Huff Post poll so take it for what it's worth but support for stay at home hasn't wavered much.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

43 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Huff Post poll so take it for what it's worth but support for stay at home hasn't wavered much.

As to orange, were respondents given any options?  Was "stay-at-home" presented to them as an absolute, either/or proposition...as in, either you stay home, or you die?  Or was it selected from a grouping of gradual return to work/school, or rapid return to work/school, or reckless return to work/school, or case-by-case risk assessments of specific activities?

[The Sicatoka]

I went through ORD the second week of January. Two weeks later to the day I was as ill as I’ve been in my adult life, not primarily pulmonary but some (you could see above normal usage and load on my CPAP data) but mainly GI, raging GI issues, for about 6 hours.  Wiped me out for 36 hours. 

When I read some get hit by this virus in this manner I really really wish for an antibodies test. My CPAP physician, my GP, and I wonder what it really was.

The only good part of that bad weekend? I was too sick to watch that Friday @Duluth game. 

[Old Fella]

3 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Now the real danger looms...inflation...only way out of this economic disaster will be massive inflation across sectors.  

1st intelligent post .

[Siouxperman8]

49 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I went through ORD the second week of January. Two weeks later to the day I was as ill as I’ve been in my adult life, not primarily pulmonary but some (you could see above normal usage and load on my CPAP data) but mainly GI, raging GI issues, for about 6 hours.  Wiped me out for 36 hours. 

When I read some get hit by this virus in this manner I really really wish for an antibodies test. My CPAP physician, my GP, and I wonder what it really was.

The only good part of that bad weekend? I was too sick to watch that Friday @Duluth game. 

Something very similar rolled through 6 of us in my family in late February over 3-4 days.  everyone was wiped out for 36-48 hours.  First sick day for me at work in about 15 years.  My wife and I spent close to $400 for dinner and Wild game and barely made it through the 1st period before heading home.  

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

As to orange, were respondents given any options?  Was "stay-at-home" presented to them as an absolute, either/or proposition...as in, either you stay home, or you die?  Or was it selected from a grouping of gradual return to work/school, or rapid return to work/school, or reckless return to work/school, or case-by-case risk assessments of specific activities?

Good questions.  I didn't research how the poll was conducted

[dynato]

2 hours ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

As to orange, were respondents given any options?  Was "stay-at-home" presented to them as an absolute, either/or proposition...as in, either you stay home, or you die?  Or was it selected from a grouping of gradual return to work/school, or rapid return to work/school, or reckless return to work/school, or case-by-case risk assessments of specific activities?

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Good questions.  I didn't research how the poll was conducted

The answer is... its not that deep. No life or death type questions. Just randomly selected 1000 people from the American Community Survey and asked them relatively benign and vague questions about the current situation.

Detailed poll, questions and results: https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2020/04/20/5e9e1857c5b63c5b58734cc0.pdf

 

[Cratter]

20 million coronavirus tests per day needed to fully open economy

Starting to wonder if the agenda is to push unrealistic amount of testing to show how much coronavirus is "spreading" and increase death counts to spread more #fearporn and help the "experts" and "thought leaders" to save face?

For comparison the USA is averaging about 120,000 tests per day for the past week or so.

At some point it really is about fear not facts.

Reminds me of the "We need a gazillion ventilators now!"....

"OK. Here you go."

"Oh guess we only needed a fraction of that amount."

"Testing" is the new "Ventilators".

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...thought leaders across the political spectrum called COVID-19 "a profound threat to our democracy, comparable to the Great Depression and World War II."

 

[Cratter]

On 4/19/2020 at 12:56 PM, Cratter said:

How many different tests are out there?

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48 separate coronavirus tests have been authorized and that the Food and Drug Administration is working with 300 companies and laboratories to widen the nation's testing capacity.

 

[dynato]

4 minutes ago, Cratter said:

20 million coronavirus tests per day needed to fully open economy

Starting to wonder if the agenda is to push unrealistic amount of testing to show how much coronavirus is "spreading" and increase death counts to spread more #fearporn and help the "experts" save face?

This has been linked here before. The general consensus is more tests would undeniably help. Quicker results would help. More testing is the opposite of fear porn. It would not increase death counts, but rather confirm the true mortality rate is lower than the number we currently see due to limited testing. It would ideally lead to better isolation of the sick. Which is their last argument, the tracking of the infected goes hand and hand with testing. These definitely would help with the argument of opening up the country.  

However, 20 million tests a day is really unrealistic. 

[Cratter]

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The Johns Hopkins study recommends investing $3.6 billion to hire and train 100,000 contact tracing personnel. The new report goes even further, recommending hiring hundreds of thousands of contact tracers.

Let's hire everyone to trace everyone with a $5.9 trillion budget!

[Cratter]

6 minutes ago, dynato said:

This has been linked here before. 

That article is from today and has not been linked here before.

[dynato]

Just now, Cratter said:

That article is from today and has not been linked here before.

Not the article, but the 20M tests/day required to open up the country has been old news. 

[Cratter]

9 minutes ago, dynato said:

Not the article, but the 20M tests/day required to open up the country has been old news. 

Cant you point me to the discussion (Or the link here before).

I'd like to catch up and read it.

I must have missed that number discussed here before.

[dynato]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

Cant you point me to the discussion here.

I'd like to catch up and read it. I must have missed that number discussed here before.

Go to saturdays conversation, you'll likely find a bit on it there. The 20M tests per day report came out last monday, April 13th, 2020.

Harvard actually made the study. They actually advocate for 5M tests a day up until June.
https://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center-for-ethics/files/roadmaptopandemicresilience_updated_4.20.20_0.pdf

[Cratter]

2 minutes ago, dynato said:

Go to saturdays conversation, you'll likely find a bit on it there. 

Ok I'll go look for that link you said was posted here some time on saturday.

[Cratter]

8 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Ok I'll go look for that link you said was posted here some time on saturday.

Oh wait never mind the article was new news today:

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In a report titled "Roadmap to Pandemic Resilience," released on Monday morning, a blue-ribbon panel of thought leaders across the political spectrum called COVID-19 "a profound threat to our democracy, comparable to the Great Depression and World War II."

Hope people arent reading just headlines and thinking it's old news.

[dynato]

4 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Oh wait never mind the article was new news today:

Hope people are reading more than headlines.

April 3rd - Morgan Stanley calls for more testing to ease Investors fear of a market collapse if markets open too soon:
 https://www.dcba-pa.org/UserFiles/files/events/Biotechnology_ COVID-19_ A Prescription To Get The US Back To Work.pdf
Early April 8th (Referencing same author as the 20M/tests a day, except in the except he was looking at only 500k tests/day) :
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2020/04/08/to-get-our-economy-moving-focus-on-testing-for-coronavirus/#7d7b246673f2
Later on April 8th: First white paper from Harvard on the 5M to 20M tests per day figure
https://ethics.harvard.edu/files/center-for-ethics/files/white_paper_6_testing_millions_final.pdf
April 16th: Referencing 20M to 30M tests to open up the economy
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/coronavirus-testing-needs-to-be-widely-done-before-economy-reopens.html
April 17th: Again, referencing 20M to 30M tests by the team at Harvard
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/17/amid-push-reopen-states-businesses-plead-more-federal-testing-help/

[Cratter]

Thank for proving my point.

The article is a lot more than ABCs dedicated headline.

Let me try a new one:

Coronavirus biggest threat to American democracy since Great Depression or WWII

#fearporn

Sorry I've been misquoting. Bill Maher calls it #panicporn.

[dynato]

28 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Thank for proving my point.

The article is a lot more than ABCs dedicated headline.

Let me try a new one:

Coronavirus biggest threat to American democracy since Great Depression or WWII

#fearporn

You missed the point due to being stuck in an echo-chamber. 

If you want to believe it is the new fear porn, then so be it. Just know that our current administration is catering to it. Our president just utilized the Defense Production Act to increase production of test kits by over 20M a month at a single facility. He intends to use the act again to increase production at additional facilities. 

[SiouxForever]

So let me get this straight. You're telling me 20 million tests/day should be given to open up the USA economy? Let's break that down more granular. USA has ~ 330 million+ population. If we tested everyone in the USA (that's impossible, just spit balling) we could have achieved this act in ~ 15-16 days all things equal. Obviously, more variables are involved, so let's shoot for a 30-day window.

Gotta love the top book that Bill Gates is reading in 2015. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I truly believe that phrase is an insult used by "agenda specific" people. I do believe in conspiracy fact. 

Call it what you want, but it's rather, shall we say, eye opening that Bill Gates is reading a book called, "How to lie with statistics"

Source -- https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/05/bill-gates-summer-reading-list

Open your eyes people, critically think for yourself.  Just saying, my 2 cents. This Covid facade is above and beyond me.

I don't trust too many people. I do trust my dog, dogs can read terrible people and don't talk back and spew vomit misleading diarrhea. 

 

[SiouxForever]

1 hour ago, dynato said:

You missed the point due to being stuck in an echo-chamber. 

If you want to believe it is the new fear porn, then so be it. Just know that our current administration is catering to it. Our president just utilized the Defense Production Act to increase production of test kits by over 20M a month at a single facility. He intends to use the act again to increase production at additional facilities. 

I am not taking anything seriously from a NYdailynews article. Lunacy, are you seriously for real?

[southpaw]

9 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Something very similar rolled through 6 of us in my family in late February over 3-4 days.  everyone was wiped out for 36-48 hours.  First sick day for me at work in about 15 years.  My wife and I spent close to $400 for dinner and Wild game and barely made it through the 1st period before heading home.  

So during an emerging pandemic you chose to go to a hockey game while sick? I believe others have provided different definitions of the word idiot, but would certainly fit.

5 hours ago, dynato said:

You missed the point due to being stuck in an echo-chamber. 

If you want to believe it is the new fear porn, then so be it. Just know that our current administration is catering to it. Our president just utilized the Defense Production Act to increase production of test kits by over 20M a month at a single facility. He intends to use the act again to increase production at additional facilities. 

We were told on March 6th that "anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is." 

When that was obviously a lie, we were then told that "There’s 10 million tests that are in the market now, with 17 million more coming by the end of the month (March).”

Also a lie. Excuse me if I don't believe everything that is said by the mouthpiece of the lackluster response.

I'm just curious how this desire to reopen the country as soon as possible coincides with the new closure on immigration. I assume Mafiaman will be the first in line to pick up the need for farming or factory jobs.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

15 minutes ago, southpaw said:

So during an emerging pandemic you chose to go to a hockey game while sick? I believe others have provided different definitions of the word idiot, but would certainly fit.

Boy, hindsight is now grounds for calling out fellow Sioux fans for...attending a hockey game? In February?

This says far more about you than Siouxperman8, I’m afraid.

[southpaw]

20 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Boy, hindsight is now grounds for calling out fellow Sioux fans for...attending a hockey game? In February?

This says far more about you than Siouxperman8, I’m afraid.

Apologies. I sometimes forget that while in late February, the rest of the world was already enacting measures to limit the spread of Coronavirus, the U.S. was still hearing "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

In late February, I had a minor cough and runny nose. The second I felt a tiny bit sick, I left work to finish the rest of the day at home. For the next two weeks, I limited my time in stores and only returned back to work after three days of no symptoms. I certainly wasn't alone in those actions either.