2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Redneksioux]

5 minutes ago, mikejm said:

Kids in classrooms is probably the safest place they can be as it is a fairly controlled environment. What I was trying to say is that when the kids leave school all bets are off. Even if we assume kids won't suffer greatly when they're infected, they still are imminently capable of spreading the virus wherever they go and to whomever they come into contact.

One of my kids knows a family that has been exposed to the virus and been notified of that fact; I think they call that "close contact". That family did not get tested, and instead of quarantining as suggested, spent a weekend on the road, visiting neighboring communities and attractions. And on Monday morning they sent the kids to school.

If those kids are carrying the virus, they spread it all over southern North Dakota and northern South Dakota, at playgrounds, cafes, etc. And then went back to school and after school daycare, potentially spreading to yet another population.

Clearly this family is ignoring the risks (or just plain ignorant). They're acting selfish to say the least.

Students wearing masks in a classroom are helpful. However, many rural schools aren't requiring students to wear masks at lunch, in the hallways or at recess. Heck, one of my kids teaches in a district where the school board refused to mandate masks anywhere.

But if some families refuse to recognize the risk, or the benefit of limiting exposure after school and on weekends, the virus will continue to spread unchecked. 

I don't want school kids to be infected. But I also don't want them turning into super spreaders simply because they are asymptomatic and their parents are foolish.

Your examples don't shock me, I mean look what our president did after he initially learned of his direct contact and then even after a positive test.

 

Question for the flop, what do you do when you are contacted by contact tracers?

[Bison06]

9 minutes ago, mikejm said:

Kids in classrooms is probably the safest place they can be as it is a fairly controlled environment. What I was trying to say is that when the kids leave school all bets are off. Even if we assume kids won't suffer greatly when they're infected, they still are imminently capable of spreading the virus wherever they go and to whomever they come into contact.

One of my kids knows a family that has been exposed to the virus and been notified of that fact; I think they call that "close contact". That family did not get tested, and instead of quarantining as suggested, spent a weekend on the road, visiting neighboring communities and attractions. And on Monday morning they sent the kids to school.

If those kids are carrying the virus, they spread it all over southern North Dakota and northern South Dakota, at playgrounds, cafes, etc. And then went back to school and after school daycare, potentially spreading to yet another population.

Clearly this family is ignoring the risks (or just plain ignorant). They're acting selfish to say the least.

Students wearing masks in a classroom are helpful. However, many rural schools aren't requiring students to wear masks at lunch, in the hallways or at recess. Heck, one of my kids teaches in a district where the school board refused to mandate masks anywhere.

But if some families refuse to recognize the risk, or the benefit of limiting exposure after school and on weekends, the virus will continue to spread unchecked. 

I don't want school kids to be infected. But I also don't want them turning into super spreaders simply because they are asymptomatic and their parents are foolish.

The only solution to your problem is to never go out. Asymptomatic spread is going to be impossible to stop. At some point, this happened for me in about April, people are going to have to decide if the risk of dying is greater than the risk of never experiencing life from this moment forward. Every person needs to decide what their own risk tolerance is and move forward with whatever precautions help you sleep at night. All of us on this side of the discussion would like to do the same without the government closing public places and private businesses for a risk of death and illness that each citizen should make their own decisions about.

[Hayduke1]

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, mikejm said:

Kids in classrooms is probably the safest place they can be as it is a fairly controlled environment. What I was trying to say is that when the kids leave school all bets are off.

Sounds like "The Pandemic Special". 

[The Sicatoka]

On 10/2/2020 at 10:28 AM, The Sicatoka said:

Odds Trump goes golfing this weekend or next? 

 

On 10/2/2020 at 10:31 AM, Nodak78 said:

next weekend 100%

 

I would not bet against this right now. (Disclaimer: 24 hours from now could be entirely different.) 

[Hayduke1]

Spin it however Dear Leader would like you to cultists.  The Secret Service is pissed at Dear Leader and his circus. 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/secret-service-agent-trump-he-s-not-even-pretending-care-n1242109?cid=sm_fb_maddow

The Washington Post reported late last week that agents "expressed their anger and frustration to colleagues and friends," explaining that Trump's actions had repeatedly put them at risk. "He's never cared about us," one agent told a confidant.

The report added that former Secret Service agents said it was unheard of for agents to openly complain about a sitting president, "but that some currently in the ranks had become convinced during the pandemic that Trump was willing to put his protectors in harm's way."

[Hayduke1]

41 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Thirty-two year old female (with assumedly no underlying conditions). 

She's probably at greater risk of death driving to work. 

Probably not. 

But, who is next? 

[Hayduke1]

Sympathy bounce?

With Trump?

Nope. 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/05/world/covid-trump

Polls by Ipsos/Reuters and YouGov/Yahoo conducted on Friday and Saturday found that most Americans feel the president hadn’t been taking the coronavirus seriously, in terms of policy or personal conduct, and that he could have avoided getting sick.

Both polls also showed Joseph R. Biden Jr. maintain his national lead over Mr. Trump. The Ipsos/Reuters poll showed Mr. Biden up by 10 percentage points — one point higher than in its last several national polls, including one from after last Tuesday’s first presidential debate.

The poll found that nearly two-thirds of Americans, including half of Republicans, think Mr. Trump could have avoided the virus if he had taken it more seriously.

 

[TheFlop]

18 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Your examples don't shock me, I mean look what our president did after he initially learned of his direct contact and then even after a positive test.

 

Question for the flop, what do you do when you are contacted by contact tracers?

Personally I choose to use my family doctor for all medical advice and would consult with him.  Then I would directly notify the people I had been around leading up to it.  As a matter of practice I don't give out my sensitive personal information (or that of my friends) including health history to college kids making $10 an hour over the phone with no real way of verifying they are who they say they are.

I always operate under the assumption that anyone I come in contact with could have it, and that I could be an asymptomatic carrier.  With how contagious it is, others should be doing the same and acting accordingly.  I avoid large crowds....I avoid settings with old and vulnerable people.....but I am not hunkering down waiting for a 100% vaccine to come out. 

[TheFlop]

14 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Lol.....you have that confused with the last two years of RBG. 

[Redneksioux]

4 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Personally I choose to use my family doctor for all medical advice and would consult with him.  Then I would directly notify the people I had been around leading up to it.  As a matter of practice I don't give out my sensitive personal information (or that of my friends) including health history to college kids making $10 an hour over the phone with no real way of verifying they are who they say they are.

I always operate under the assumption that anyone I come in contact with could have it, and that I could be an asymptomatic carrier.  With how contagious it is, others should be doing the same and acting accordingly.  I avoid large crowds....I avoid settings with old and vulnerable people.....but I am not hunkering down until a 100% vaccine comes out. 

Now this is NOT wide open.

With that said, it sounds like a responsible approach. 

[The Sicatoka]

I'm so tired of American TV. 

I think I'll watch 60 Minutes Australia ...  Who's this Tara Reade? Joe who? Biden? Did what?

Why is this running in Australia and not ... America. 

[The Sicatoka]

33 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Probably?

Benefit of doubt. I don't know how well she drives (or if she does metro or car service).

[Wilbur]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

I'm so tired of American TV. 

I think I'll watch 60 Minutes Australia ...  Who's this Tara Reade? Joe who? Biden? Did what?

Why is this running in Australia and not ... America. 

#metoo died pretty quickly here didn't it. 

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Now this is NOT wide open.

With that said, it sounds like a responsible approach. 

Nothing he said precludes businesses from legally being able to run their operations at full capacity or schools being open with a distance learning option for those uncomfortable with in person at this tome. He’s making personal choices based on his own risk tolerance. This is EXACTLY what I, and others, have been advocating for the past six months. 

[Nodak78]

1 minute ago, Wilbur said:

#metoo died pretty quickly here didn't it. 

Just on pause until they can go after a Rep.

[The Sicatoka]

8 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

I always operate under the assumption that anyone I come in contact with could have it, and that I could be an asymptomatic carrier.  With how contagious it is, others should be doing the same and acting accordingly.  I avoid large crowds....I avoid settings with old and vulnerable people.....but I am not hunkering down waiting for a 100% vaccine to come out. 

That's my MO also, with one addition:
If I need to enter a private business (grocery, etc) and they require a mask I'll wear it as it's the policy of their private property. That said, I could choose to go somewhere without such policy, but I don't. 

 

But I also know that mask is prophylactic, and prophylactics fail. <-- Is THAT set up on a tee for someone or what!  

[TheFlop]

1 minute ago, Redneksioux said:

Now this is NOT wide open.

See that is where your TDS kicks in.  You assume that anyone that doesn't buy all into Covid is out there walking up to old people in wheel chairs, pulling their mask off, and breathing on them.  Playing sports?  Yep.  Eating at buffets?  Yep.  Kids in school.and fully participating in activities?  Yep.  Going to bars during all but a couple hour window on Friday and Saturday nights?  Yep.  Not wearing a mask whenever possible?  Yep.  Dropping down to my knees and screaming when required to wear one?  Nope.  Quarantining for weeks because someone might have been in the same room as me for 15 minutes and 1 second instead of 14 minutes and 59 seconds?  Probably not.  Quarantining if a dart buddy gets it and we were near each other most of the evening?  Probably.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

31 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Your examples don't shock me, I mean look what our president did after he initially learned of his direct contact and then even after a positive test.

 

Question for the flop, what do you do when you are contacted by contact tracers?

don't answer the phone

[The Sicatoka]

Dear CDC,

Can you please come up with a consistent story? 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/cdc-revises-coronavirus-guidance-to-acknowledge-that-it-spreads-through-airborne-transmission.html 

[TheFlop]

Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:

don't answer the phone

Well there is that too.  It was kind of a hypothetical question since as another matter of practice I don't answer calls from numbers I don't know......was more of if a friend told me.

[Nodak78]

President Trump just twitted.   "I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"

[SIOUXFAN97]

Just now, Nodak78 said:

President Trump just twitted.   "I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"

and the stock market crushes.....

[zonadub]

1 hour ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Not sure why you brought abortion into this, but if abortion becomes illegal we will need an exponentially better social safety net from birth to adulthood to better assist the underclass the majority of those fetuses would occupy.

Abortion should not be the go-to For birth control. How about better distribution and education of other contraceptives?

[Oxbow6]

From what I have heard most youth organizations, minus schools, loosely follow the CDC guidelines and will generally will allow kids to participate in activities if they have a negative test 7 days from exposure  and remain symptom free.