The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Isn't that another Ben Newman client? (Hint here.) Hate to quote myself, but from that page ... Quote "Incredible 1st day working with Alabama Football and pouring into the players." -- Ben Newman Pouring ... what. Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Hate to quote myself, but from that page ... Pouring ... what. Note to Ben. Either the drug testing has gotten better or you got a bad batch of "Pre-Workout". 1 Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Only a fool would think NDSU got caught cheating the very first time they did. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 31, 2019 Author Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Hate to quote myself, but from that page ... Pouring ... what. Not even Newman’s Own Motivation Powder could overcome Clemson this year. 2 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Did someone just say "Clemson"? On a whim ... Suspensions of three Clemson players upheld after B samples test positive And then I find this ... Quote Recently, Ben joined Clemson Head Football Coach Dabo Swinney ... Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cratter said: Only a fool would think NDSU got caught cheating the very first time they did. How many UND players is it fair for me to rightfully accuse of taking Adderall when only the one kid tested positive a few years back. “I think the whole UND athletic department has an Adderall issue, it’s been rampant for years, they’re lucky only one player was caught” How ridiculous does that sound? Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Did someone just say "Clemson"? On a whim ... Suspensions of three Clemson players upheld after B samples test positive And then I find this ... That's why you need to test internally, too, cuts the number of positive tests by 2/3rds. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Bison06: You must admit the Ben Newman link is very curious. 1 Quote
gundy1124 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bison06 said: How many UND players is it fair for me to rightfully accuse of taking Adderall when only the one kid tested positive a few years back. “I think the whole UND athletic department has an Adderall issue, it’s been rampant for years, they’re lucky only one player was caught” How ridiculous does that sound? Pretty ridiculous, because UND didn't back channel a "motivational speaker" for years. And the player took it on his own. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, gundy1124 said: Pretty ridiculous, because UND didn't back channel a "motivational speaker" for years. And the player took it on his own. Different because it’s your ox being gored. The details are irrelevant to the discussion because the other poster is saying the entire team has a stimulant issue because of one positive test. Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: Pretty ridiculous, because UND didn't back channel a "motivational speaker" for years. And the player took it on his own. And you need a prescription for adderall. Maybe Newman has that hook up too. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Bison06: You must admit the Ben Newman link is very curious. Maybe I’m somewhat immune to the significance of all of this because I know how prevalent preworkout use is among athletes. In my view, it’s very likely the only sin here, which shouldn’t go un punished if true, is the supplement wasn’t properly vetted and shouldn’t have been given to the player. Question for you, if you knew that the entire UND football team took a preworkout that on the label had the exact formulation as the one BR took whatbwould you think? Hypothetically? Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cratter said: And you need a prescription for adderall. Maybe Newman has that hook up too. Which makes it a much worse sin since whatever BR took isn’t a controlled substance by the FDA and DEA. Quote
UND1983 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Bison06 said: Maybe I’m somewhat immune to the significance of all of this because I know how prevalent preworkout use is among athletes. In my view, it’s very likely the only sin here, which shouldn’t go un punished if true, is the supplement wasn’t properly vetted and shouldn’t have been given to the player. Question for you, if you knew that the entire UND football team took a preworkout that on the label had the exact formulation as the one BR took whatbwould you think? Hypothetically? I would think nothing until they got dinged cause that supplement contains a banned substance. Then I would want answers and alot of them. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Question for you, if you knew that the entire UND football team took a preworkout that on the label had the exact formulation as the one BR took whatbwould you think? Hypothetically? I'd think they've put themselves in jeopardy for NCAA sanction and should step back from it. You missed my question: What do you make of Newman easily being associated with NDSU, Alabama, and Clemson, all teams that have become curiously much greater than their competition. Pure coincidence? Greatest motivational speaker since Christ on the Mount? Maybe some other factor his presence provides? Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, UND1983 said: I would think nothing until they got dinged cause that supplement contains a banned substance. Then I would want answers and alot of them. What if that banned substance was at a low enough concentration that it wouldn’t show up in urine samples? Quote
UND1983 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Bison06 said: What if that banned substance was at a low enough concentration that it wouldn’t show up in urine samples? Are you saying they run their own testing to see how much of a certain substance they can get away with? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: What if that banned substance was at a low enough concentration that it wouldn’t show up in urine samples? I would think your question should end with the word "today". Then I'd think "tick tock" ... and they've put themselves in jeopardy for NCAA sanction and should step back from it. 1 Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I'd think they've put themselves in jeopardy for NCAA sanction and should step back from it. You missed my question: What do you make of Newman easily being associated with NDSU, Alabama, and Clemson, all teams that have become curiously much greater than their competition. Pure coincidence? Greatest motivational speaker since Christ on the mount? I would say the causation might be driven in the opposite direction you are thinking. They are great teams, great programs and won a hell of a lot of football games before this clown came into the picture, they then decided to hire the same motivational speaker and he now has some questions to answer in my book. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, UND1983 said: Are you saying they run their own testing to see how much of a certain substance they can get away with? No, I’m saying that a lot of preworkouts contain stimulants and might not put exactly how much of it is in there so you’d have no way of knowing. They may even label it, “proprietary blend”. So if an athlete is taking any preworkouts, which I would be willing to bet my entire bank account that there are players on UND’s roster doing it, they are playing with fire. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 31, 2019 Author Posted January 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bison06 said: How many UND players is it fair for me to rightfully accuse of taking Adderall when only the one kid tested positive a few years back. “I think the whole UND athletic department has an Adderall issue, it’s been rampant for years, they’re lucky only one player was caught” How ridiculous does that sound? It’s ridiculous because America has an adderall problem which I could delve into for pages and pages but it would probably turn into politics. Quote
Cratter Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Which makes it a much worse sin since whatever BR took isn’t a controlled substance by the FDA and DEA. Tell that to the NCAA. They might care about your opinion. Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: It’s ridiculous because America has an adderall problem which I could delve into for pages and pages but it would probably turn into politics. So if only one player tests positive for a substance, it’s ridiculous to think the entire team has a substance problem? Quote
Bison06 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Cratter said: Tell that to the NCAA. They might care about your opinion. Solid contribution Quote
UND1983 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Bison06 said: So if only one player tests positive for a substance, it’s ridiculous to think the entire team has a substance problem? Just doesn't really make sense to me that a junior fullback from Cavalier, who is already starting, feels he needs to be the rogue "find an edge" guy. Quote
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