Game Day at PSU

[Old School Guy]

7 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

This would be a !@#$%! move, but sit Studs to develpe Zim?  All seniors for that matter?    Discuss.

Put yourself in the shoes of Studs and the other seniors. Would you want to sit the next couple of games???

[geaux_sioux]

14 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

This would be a !@#$%! move, but sit Studs to develpe Zim?  All seniors for that matter?    Discuss.

I don’t think it would be good for program culture to sit them in that context. The best players should play regardless of tenure.

[Old School Guy]

21 minutes ago, shep said:

Do you see Belichick as fiery? I think he looks stoic. 

A story: He's coaching the Pro Bowl. Opening KO and Tony Gonzalez is on the KO return team. It's the Pro Bowl so Tony isn't really into it and misses a block. His guy makes the tackle. He gets to the sideline and passes Belichick who says, "Nice F'ing block."

He can't believe it. It's the Pro Bowl. C'mon, gimme a break. He's pis#ed.

Next KO and he just nails his guy; flattens him.  Heads to the sideline right to Belichick and he gets nothing. He's almost out of earshot and hears, "Nice block." 

That's not fiery coaching, but it's highly effective coaching.

 

But to answer your question, I am more of a fan of Jimmy Johnson's or Bill Cower's coaching style. Remember I'm old school. I've witnessed cussing and fights between coaches and players in the locker room and at practice but come game day, its all love. I had coaches so worked up they actually have spit flying in your face, because they want you to knocked the dog piss out of your opponent. I loved that stuff.

[Old School Guy]

4 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I don’t think it would be good for program culture to sit them in that context. The best players should play regardless of tenure.

Right or wrong, coaches tend to reward seniors for their commitment and dedication to the program too. So if they have been in the lineup playing at a high enough level, they will not be sitting the last couple of games.

[shep]

13 minutes ago, Old School Guy said:

But to answer your question, I am more of a fan of Jimmy Johnson's or Bill Cower's coaching style. Remember I'm old school. I've witnessed cussing and fights between coaches and players in the locker room and at practice but come game day, its all love. I had coaches so worked up they actually have spit flying in your face, because they want you to knocked the dog piss out of your opponent. I loved that stuff.

It's been noted, but Bud Grant, Tom Landry were old school and stoic; I guess it just depends on what you're looking for. 

[Longtime fan]

4 hours ago, Old School Guy said:

But to answer your question, I am more of a fan of Jimmy Johnson's or Bill Cower's coaching style. Remember I'm old school. I've witnessed cussing and fights between coaches and players in the locker room and at practice but come game day, its all love. I had coaches so worked up they actually have spit flying in your face, because they want you to knocked the dog piss out of your opponent. I loved that stuff.

Couldn't agree more and I would like if the players would follow suit.  Defensively, I love to see fiery competitors that want to knock the snot of you for coming their way.  Tamas is very much this .....he wants to punish the opposing player every play. Love that agressive nature!  Rastas has the drive or want but cannot always fulfill the obligatory duties because of size.   

Need a full 11 starters that play that way. Make every hit count 

[bang]

44 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

This would be a !@#$%! move, but sit Studs to develpe Zim?  All seniors for that matter?    Discuss.

Although, I know what you’re saying and the productiveness that would come of it. I  agree with Geaux, it would hurt the culture and possible future recruiting. Stick around for 4-5 years work hard and we’ll reward you with watching our underclassmen develop the last two games of your senior year. Like everything it’s a balance. You need to evaluate for the future while rewarding for the past. It’s part of why these coaches jobs are so tough. 

[F'n Hawks]

15 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:

Couldn't t agree more and I would if the players would follow suit.  Defensively, I love to see fiery competitors that want to knock the snot of you for coming their way.  Tamas is very much this .....he wants to punish the opposing player every play. Love that agressive nature!  Rastas has the drive or want but cannot always fulfill the obligatory duties because of size.   

Need a full 11 starters that play that way. Make every hit count 

I think we are missing fiery competitors and nastiness on the O-line as well

[Old School Guy]

18 minutes ago, shep said:

It's been noted, but Bud Grant, Tom Landry were old school and stoic; I guess it just depends on what you're looking for. 

Just a matter of perspective. But I will say, all coaches need to know when to kick your players in the backside (not literally) and when to give them a hug (not literally). Depends on the situation.

[Old School Guy]

2 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

I think we are missing fiery competitors and nastiness on the O-line as well

I've felt the past few years this team was missing some dawgs. I mean the kid that will impose his will on the opponent through physical play.

[Old School Guy]

10 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

I think we are missing fiery competitors and nastiness on the O-line as well

IMO it goes back to the strength and conditioning as well. A player that has spent time in weight room doing meaningful work will have a swagger when they step off the bus looking for some butt to kick. I don't know if our S&C program is suited for that that style of play. We appear to be more finesse. 

[F'n Hawks]

9 minutes ago, Old School Guy said:

IMO it goes back to the strength and conditioning as well. A player that has spent time in weight room doing meaningful work will have a swagger when they step off the bus looking for some butt to kick. I don't know if our S&C program is suited for that that style of play. We appear to be more finesse. 

Bubba ball needs lineman that can dominate. Run the ball, control the clock, great defense, that is what Bubba wants to do.

[VMeister]

4 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Kickers are weird

Chicks dig the kicker. 

 

Thats documented. 

[Fry Bread]

Austin Cieslak and Carter Wilson each scored a touchdown yesterday. Have two defensive ends ever scored touchdowns in the same game before?

[UNDBIZ]

4 minutes ago, VMeister said:

Chicks dig the kicker. 

Thats documented. 

Kickers often outkick their coverage, yes. 

[geaux_sioux]

17 minutes ago, VMeister said:

Chicks dig the kicker. 

 

Thats documented. 

Often the best athlete on the team

[Old School Guy]

56 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Often the best athlete on the team

We just need the kicker to be the best kicker on the team.

[Old School Guy]

1 hour ago, Fry Bread said:

Austin Cieslak and Carter Wilson each scored a touchdown yesterday. Have two defensive ends ever scored touchdowns in the same game before?

It was nice to see the big guys scoop and score. That's when you know the ball is bouncing your way for a change.

[jdub27]

18 hours ago, Old School Guy said:

IMO it goes back to the strength and conditioning as well. A player that has spent time in weight room doing meaningful work will have a swagger when they step off the bus looking for some butt to kick. I don't know if our S&C program is suited for that that style of play. We appear to be more finesse. 

Ratelle lived in the weight room and he was far from a player that played with a lot of swagger. He went about his business and let his play do the talking for him.

I get the general idea of wanting to see more swagger but I remember a lot on this board absolutely ripping the team Mussman's last year or two for having too much of it. I mostly agreed with that sentiment and while I like seeing emotion on a big play, no need to be hopping on and down after stopping a guy for a 1 yard gain or doing your job in general.

[fightingsioux4life]

6 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Ratelle lived in the weight room and he was far from a player that played with a lot of swagger. He went about his business and let his play do the talking for him.

I get the general idea of wanting to see more swagger but I remember a lot on this board absolutely ripping the team Mussman's last year or two for having too much of it. I mostly agreed with that sentiment and while I like seeing emotion on a big play, no need to be hopping on and down after stopping a guy for a 1 yard gain or doing your job in general.

I think a lot of the grumbling was over the dance competitions the players were holding on the sidelines while we were getting our heads bashed in by Montana.

[UNDBIZ]

6 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Ratelle lived in the weight room and he was far from a player that played with a lot of swagger. He went about his business and let his play do the talking for him.

I get the general idea of wanting to see more swagger but I remember a lot on this board absolutely ripping the team Mussman's last year or two for having too much of it. I mostly agreed with that sentiment and while I like seeing emotion on a big play, no need to be hopping on and down after stopping a guy for a 1 yard gain or doing your job in general.

What got to me during the Mussman years was the DBs celebrating a "big" hit after giving up a 30 yard completion.

[UNDColorado]

25 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

What got to me during the Mussman years was the DBs celebrating a "big" hit after giving up a 30 yard completion.

I remember an instance at MSU or UM when we were getting our butts kicked. A DB actually made a nice hit then decided to celebrate it a bit much...a fellow player came over to him and said something to the effect of "Look at the scoreboard you moron, stop acting like a tool."

[jdub27]

52 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

What got to me during the Mussman years was the DBs celebrating a "big" hit after giving up a 30 yard completion.

My point exactly, but he had that swagger we're all looking for now. 

And he probably should have celebrated since he didn't escort the guy into the end-zone. Tackles by the DB's were a big deal for a while there!

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

Ratelle lived in the weight room and he was far from a player that played with a lot of swagger. He went about his business and let his play do the talking for him.

I get the general idea of wanting to see more swagger but I remember a lot on this board absolutely ripping the team Mussman's last year or two for having too much of it. I mostly agreed with that sentiment and while I like seeing emotion on a big play, no need to be hopping on and down after stopping a guy for a 1 yard gain or doing your job in general.

There's a difference between having swagger/confidence and portraying the fake over the top swag bro bs. That's all an act and it distracts from getting the job done. Some people are more boisterous than others naturally but a guy hopping around the field in circles for 15 seconds waving his finger at the 250 fans who showed up to the game after recording your first sack of the season is the type of crap that causes a team to never win a game. I like fire, passion, and swagger. I hate swag.

[gundy1124]

On 10/28/2017 at 9:11 PM, gundy1124 said:

I felt at 14-0 we hit rock bottom on the year.  We responded and it actually looked like we were having fun.  Even 2 quality losses to finish the year would be OK, compared to getting embarrassed.  1-1 would be fantastic.

Someone was pissy about my comment, privately.  I was predicting at 14-0 we hit bottom, during the game.  I still thought we'd win after watching 1 quarter of action.  We were moving the ball and the Portland St. O-line was sketch at left tackle.  If I wasn't clear, that was my positive outlook that from 14-0 we'd finish the year stronger.