2017 Season

[UNDBIZ]

5 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said:

Is Reyes eligible for a medical redshirt?

Having played in the 4th game this season and needing a 6th year, he would need a waiver.  Doubtful he'd get it, although he was injured his first redshirt year as well.

[darell1976]

32 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said:

Is Reyes eligible for a medical redshirt?

Our whole team needs a medical redshirt.

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

I always thought they should have to piss every day, and then random tests on some of the samples.

Every day? You’re kidding right? 

[geaux_sioux]

Worst part about Reyes’ injury is it was friendly fire.... total fluke

[geaux_sioux]

Anyone else think with how the fr have stepped up they should move Alpin to DT? He’s strong as hell and mean. I think he would be a really good nose on d.

[UNDColorado]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Anyone else think with how the fr have stepped up they should move Alpin to DT? He’s strong as hell and mean. I think he would be a really good nose on d.

I wouldn't be against it, kid has a mean streak which is a great trait for lineman on both sides of the ball.

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Every day? You’re kidding right? 

Nope, never let them think they are safe and keep the evil geniuses on their toes....   Big picture. If you truly think you are an elite athlete, you would not even consider alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, etc.     That should be the gold standard for all programs.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, 90siouxfan said:

Nope, never let them think they are safe and keep the evil geniuses on their toes....   Big picture. If you truly think you are an elite athlete, you would not even consider alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, etc.     That should be the gold standard for all programs.

I imagine it wouldn't be cheap to do that. Wonder if there is room in the budget for that.

[dlsiouxfan]

17 hours ago, iramurphy said:

There is a difference between treating and healing.  There is no evidence that I am aware of that necessarily heals TBI but there are some studies that showed decreased mortality in controlled studies with marijuana therapy. There is a difference between mood altering drugs such as alcohol or marijuana and other life stresses.  There are certainly a significant number of marijuana users in sports.  If you stoners think it is a benign drug you are mistaken. Alcohol isn't a benign drug either.  

Medical studies marijuana is the  most commonly used illegal drug in the US.  You can become addicted to it and you may have withdrawal if you stop.  Obviously that is associated  almost exclusively with heavy users.  It is associated with other drug use.  Long term heavy use can cause insomnia, anxiety, paranoia, and altered time perception.  A Duke University study showed people who started using as teens and continued to use as adults "lost an average of 8  IQ points between ages 13-38.  Those who quit pot as adults didn't regain what was lost. It can cause respiratory problems, increased heart rate.  It can cause adverse effects to brain development in the fetus when pregnant women use.  Heavy use can lead to hallucinations, paranoia and worsen schizophrenia.  There is supportive evidence that support the idea that marijuana is a "gateway drug" but the majority of users do not progress the harder drugs.  

You and a couple other posters are either misinformed or have already lost you 8 IQ points if you think this is a benign drug.  To even insinuate that it is no big deal for HS or MS kids to use is stupid and wrong.  I will say that spouse and child abusers are seldom stoned on pot, they are usually alcohol abusers.  Other than that if you are using this crap you aren't very smart.  I have seen it become a cancer on athletic teams.  When something goes wrong the teammates tend to blame the drug users and the stoners get defensive and it causes a divided locker room.  To many kids lose focus and forget why they are here. Back to the subject at hand,  I believe Bubba and his staff will do their best to identify the problem and deal with it.  I hope we help these kids get good legal advice and try to get them back on track for their degree.  

Since I've been accused of being a "stoner" I had best defend myself,  I haven't smoked a joint since college where I partook maybe a handful of times while at UND.  I was on the FB team so I guess at any time I could have been tested shortly after smoking and failed and been kicked off the team and had my name drug through the mud in the papers, even though I was an honor student who graduated with two degrees.

The pollyanna's on this thread are naïve to how much drug use is prevalent in our society.  Stock brokers, investment bankers and politicians (cough.... Trump, Steve Bannon) can snort all the coke they can handle and we'll look the other way because it makes them more productive.   Police officers, fire fighters, and our military can take steroids to build up their bodies for the physical rigors of the job and we'll ignore it in even the most obvious of cases. In Silicon Valley right now, web developers pay for hallucinogens like mushrooms and LSD to enhance their creativity and, if Steve Jobs is to be believed, it's why we have the iPhone.  All over the country (especially in ND) their are millions of Americans who can't make it through the day without a pain pill or two or three or four and they're the helpless victims of addiction.  The only time anyone ever actually pays any price for drug use is when a young person (usually black or Hispanic) decides to use marijuana, because of all the horrible addictions (alcohol, gambling, pornography) that someone can fall into, for some reason marijuana is the one we get upset about. 

 

[bison73]

2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Worst part about Reyes’ injury is it was friendly fire.... total fluke

I hate that for the kid.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

Nope, never let them think they are safe and keep the evil geniuses on their toes....   Big picture. If you truly think you are an elite athlete, you would not even consider alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, etc.     That should be the gold standard for all programs.

Do you realize how much time that would take each day to test around 100 guys? That would be completely ridiculous. 

[90siouxfan]

every day you clip a hair, 98 of 100 get trashed, 2 get sent in.    Say you have to submit 4 sample for every 7 day period.  If they are serious athletes, it is just another hoop.  

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

Nope, never let them think they are safe and keep the evil geniuses on their toes....   Big picture. If you truly think you are an elite athlete, you would not even consider alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, etc.     That should be the gold standard for all programs.

Sounds like a great way to drive athletes away from your program.  Not a chance that, if I were a recruit, I would commit to a school that feels the need to drug test me every day.  Talk about a way to kill moral... I don't smoke, but tons of elite athletes (NFL) (Olympians) do it all of the time.  As long as athletes get their workouts in and watch their diet, smoking pot will not affect their performance like drinking does, which is legal.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

5 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

Well that just took the wind out of the sails, that finally got some wind back in it last week.  Harris and Reyes both likely out for rest of the year.......&#(@&%&*@

That is just getting to be too much. I can't ever remember a UND team this injury riddled. What a promising year this was supposed to be. 

I guess we try finish the season respectable, build on some great athletes, and hope for a healthy start next year.

In the mean time, I will go to the last two home games, pay attention to the last two road games,  and continue to follow and support the team thru to next season. 

[90siouxfan]

27 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Sounds like a great way to drive athletes away from your program.  Not a chance that, if I were a recruit, I would commit to a school that feels the need to drug test me every day.  Talk about a way to kill moral... I don't smoke, but tons of elite athletes (NFL) (Olympians) do it all of the time.  As long as athletes get their workouts in and watch their diet, smoking pot will not affect their performance like drinking does, which is legal.

Sounds like a way to clean up a mess of a program...

[geaux_sioux]

49 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

every day you clip a hair, 98 of 100 get trashed, 2 get sent in.    Say you have to submit 4 sample for every 7 day period.  If they are serious athletes, it is just another hoop.  

And who’s going to pay for it?

[geaux_sioux]

13 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Sounds like a way to clean up a mess of a program...

And create a culture of trust no doubt

[nodak651]

19 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Sounds like a way to clean up a mess of a program...

What, exactly, sounds like a way to clean up a mess of a program?  I didn't type anything about how I think the program should operate.  Having a personal opinion about marijuana doesn't mean that I condone players on the football team  selling drugs.  Bubba made the right decision to kick the guys off the team, imo.

I also don't think the program is a mess.  Guys on every team in the country smoke pot... most just don't get caught.  If you don't think that, you're probably delusional.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Cost of drug testing everyone and often is probably not in our budget.

Let's go one step down the line.

Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I understand is that the NCAA does random testing of the 24 FB FCS playoff teams. If players don't pass the test, they sit our for a year. The two teams that were in the NC game had quit a few players that might have not passed. Seemed that it was kept pretty secret. Why doesn't this like make bigger news? Image, two best teams in the country, and the game goes on like little to nothing much has happened except that those players not passing don't dress. Shouldn't there be more publicity over this?

[homer]

17 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Cost of drug testing everyone and often is probably not in our budget.

Let's go one step down the line.

Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I understand is that the NCAA does random testing of the 24 FB FCS playoff teams. If players don't pass the test, they sit our for a year. The two teams that were in the NC game had quit a few players that might have not passed. Seemed that it was kept pretty secret. Why doesn't this like make bigger news? Image, two best teams in the country, and the game goes on like little to nothing much has happened except that those players not passing don't dress. Shouldn't there be more publicity over this?

In my opinion doing and dealing are completely different.  I don't agree with either but one is of greater offense.  

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

1 minute ago, homer said:

In my opinion doing and dealing are completely different.  I don't agree with either but one is of greater offense.  

Completely agree.

[iramurphy]

2 hours ago, dlsiouxfan said:

Since I've been accused of being a "stoner" I had best defend myself,  I haven't smoked a joint since college where I partook maybe a handful of times while at UND.  I was on the FB team so I guess at any time I could have been tested shortly after smoking and failed and been kicked off the team and had my name drug through the mud in the papers, even though I was an honor student who graduated with two degrees.

The pollyanna's on this thread are naïve to how much drug use is prevalent in our society.  Stock brokers, investment bankers and politicians (cough.... Trump, Steve Bannon) can snort all the coke they can handle and we'll look the other way because it makes them more productive.   Police officers, fire fighters, and our military can take steroids to build up their bodies for the physical rigors of the job and we'll ignore it in even the most obvious of cases. In Silicon Valley right now, web developers pay for hallucinogens like mushrooms and LSD to enhance their creativity and, if Steve Jobs is to be believed, it's why we have the iPhone.  All over the country (especially in ND) their are millions of Americans who can't make it through the day without a pain pill or two or three or four and they're the helpless victims of addiction.  The only time anyone ever actually pays any price for drug use is when a young person (usually black or Hispanic) decides to use marijuana, because of all the horrible addictions (alcohol, gambling, pornography) that someone can fall into, for some reason marijuana is the one we get upset about. 

 

I didn't  actually accuse you of being a stoner but because I responded to your post I guess it was implied.  I am sorry for that.  When people are posting as if marijuana use is benign and the post about it being no big deal for HS and MS students then there is a definite disconnect with reality.  I doubt you can teach me anything about the present drug and prescription drug epidemic this country faces.  I see it every week and it includes people of all races, professions and backgrounds.  I also disagree that people are "helpless victims of addiction" but that isn't to minimize the problems of addiction and withdrawal.  In my experience as a military commander and physician there were very few soldiers that I dealt with who were using steroids.  Very few of the law enforcement personnel that I have worked with use steroids.  People pay the price for drug use daily through lost jobs, family breakups, crime, and the health problems they suffer.  The legal issue are often the least of how they suffer.  Alcohol isn't benign either and has killed more people than marijuana but people driving stoned have also been in fatal accidents.  The medical literature is only recently starting to report the results of legalization of recreational marijuana.  I have seen anything good yet.  Back to the subject, if what I heard last weekend is accurate, it isn't believed this is a widespread problem on this team.

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

What, exactly, sounds like a way to clean up a mess of a program?  I didn't type anything about how I think the program should operate.  Having a personal opinion about marijuana doesn't mean that I condone players on the football team  selling drugs.  Bubba made the right decision to kick the guys off the team, imo.

I also don't think the program is a mess.  Guys on every team in the country smoke pot... most just don't get caught.  If you don't think that, you're probably delusional.

A drug problem exists, a thorough testing program would help to alleviate the problem...   Having the system, and thus the culture in place would have kept UND from losing the talents of these two players.   If they chose not to attend UND due to strict drug policy then the team would have dodged a bullet...  Try to consider the time and expense that went into recruiting, training, housing, and educating these individuals.  Money would be better spent on individuals that are not will to piss it down their leg so readily..     

 

As far as dealing vs. use...   both are illegal and against school policy.  If you are a high end athlete you would not want to be anywhere near any of it.     Law enforcement is notorious to throw the book at persons to get pressure on the person to get individual to plead out.   I have a digital scale on my kitchen counter.  Doubt I have any baggies that contain residue but I watched an old guy pick up a baggie by a port a john once and threw it in the garbage,  I wondered later what was in the baggie, cause it didn't look like a wind blown bag.  He may have not had a clue, or dealt with the issue without making waves.  

 

My personal opinion is if it could be legally controlled like alcohol, then legalize it.  If anyone wants to use in moderation, adults of course, then it is just dangerous but not much more dangerous than alcohol..   If I have a "job", which those athletes do, that had rules regarding use, then I would need to follow them.

 

I don't know if the drug issue is a major problem with the team.  Saying that "other teams do it" is a giant cop out that should not be embraced.

[geaux_sioux]

19 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

A drug problem exists, a thorough testing program would help to alleviate the problem...   Having the system, and thus the culture in place would have kept UND from losing the talents of these two players.   If they chose not to attend UND due to strict drug policy then the team would have dodged a bullet...  Try to consider the time and expense that went into recruiting, training, housing, and educating these individuals.  Money would be better spent on individuals that are not will to piss it down their leg so readily..     

 

As far as dealing vs. use...   both are illegal and against school policy.  If you are a high end athlete you would not want to be anywhere near any of it.     Law enforcement is notorious to throw the book at persons to get pressure on the person to get individual to plead out.   I have a digital scale on my kitchen counter.  Doubt I have any baggies that contain residue but I watched an old guy pick up a baggie by a port a john once and threw it in the garbage,  I wondered later what was in the baggie, cause it didn't look like a wind blown bag.  He may have not had a clue, or dealt with the issue without making waves.  

 

My personal opinion is if it could be legally controlled like alcohol, then legalize it.  If anyone wants to use in moderation, adults of course, then it is just dangerous but not much more dangerous than alcohol..   If I have a "job", which those athletes do, that had rules regarding use, then I would need to follow them.

 

I don't know if the drug issue is a major problem with the team.  Saying that "other teams do it" is a giant cop out that should not be embraced.

Only drug dealers would avoid UND if they tested every player every day? Will you provide snake oil to the choir boys too?

[90siouxfan]

4 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Only drug dealers would avoid UND if they tested every player every day? Will you provide snake oil to the choir boys too?

Drug dealers and drug users would avoid UND, I don't understand your second question.  Seems like you support drug use among athletes, why?