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[darell1976]

Just now, NDSU grad said:

Yep. 

Okay. We will see.

[bison73]

5 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

For the first time ever this year.

http://bismarcktribune.com/sports/ndsu-reduction-in-funding-shouldn-t-adversely-affect-athletics/article_65fef440-1d9d-5474-9ce8-9ffa481206f9.html

They going to do that every year?

Yes

[NDSU grad]

10 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

Its NDSU, I don't care what they cut. Its your school what do you think they should cut?

Administrative salaries and travel expenses. Cut back on team meals, find cheaper vendors for certain things.  Find avenues to increase revenue.  There's lots of ways to do this. 

[darell1976]

1 minute ago, NDSU grad said:

Administrative salaries and travel expenses. Cut back on team meals, find cheaper vendors for certain things.  Find avenues to increase revenue.  There's lots of ways to do this. 

Its a long bus ride to Oral Roberts, and Youngstown State.

[NDSU grad]

9 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

Its a long bus ride to Oral Roberts, and Youngstown State.

I don't give a crap. I won't be on the bus. 

[bison73]

400k isnt that hard to make up. All they have to do is raise FB ticket prices by 5.00 a game. That = 540k.   We will be fine.

[UND1983]

Why is athletics only having to cut 400K?  Assume the other departments are cutting much more than that. No?

[Bison Dan]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Why is athletics only having to cut 400K?  Assume the other departments are cutting much more than that. No?

I think the bigger question is why is the AD budget at NDSU about the same as UND's when UND has 2 very expensive sports in hockey?  NDSU has always been about 3-4 million less in prior years.

[lawkota]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

I think the bigger question is why is the AD budget at NDSU about the same as UND's when UND has 2 very expensive sports in hockey?  NDSU has always been about 3-4 million less in prior years.

You can't compare budgets without including REA.  A lot of athletic department revenue and expense is run through that entity.

 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

I think the bigger question is why is the AD budget at NDSU about the same as UND's when UND has 2 very expensive sports in hockey?  NDSU has always been about 3-4 million less in prior years.

Apparently UND needs to start asking for more direct state appropriations since NDSU gets 60% more.

[NDSU grad]

2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Apparently UND needs to start asking for more direct state appropriations since NDSU gets 60% more.

According UNDBIZ, there is not a line item for athletics for appropriated funds.  NDSU just chooses to allocate more of that state money to athletics than UND.  UND already gets more state dollars than NDSU.

[jdub27]

4 minutes ago, NDSU grad said:

According UNDBIZ, there is not a line item for athletics for appropriated funds.  NDSU just chooses to allocate more of that state money to athletics than UND.  UND already gets more state dollars than NDSU.

It was mainly tongue in cheek, though it definitely presses a few buttons after hearing how NDSU's athletic department is in such a strong position, yet they directly rely on 10% of their budget coming from the State of ND. Again, I would be very interested to see the numbers Kolpack used because college athletics are a giant shell game and he apparently has something that would clarify it a little more. I will however continue to get a kick out of the huge sacrifices NDSU athletics is making by taking a 40% cut that in reality is a whopping  1.8% of their budget. On the flip side, I'm hoping UND is using the cuts as an excuse to make a few changes that could make drastic improvements in their athletic department. Time will tell if they will go with the status quo or make the tough and correct decision.

[UNDBIZ]

1 minute ago, NDSU grad said:

According UNDBIZ, there is not a line item for athletics for appropriated funds.  NDSU just chooses to allocate more of that state money to athletics than UND.  UND already gets more state dollars than NDSU.

Only if you don't include the direct appropriations for ndsu research (ndsu is able to place a large portion of administrative and professor salaries off of its budget).

[NDSU grad]

5 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Only if you don't include the direct appropriations for ndsu research (ndsu is able to place a large portion of administrative and professor salaries off of its budget).

I just browsed the 2015-2017 appropriations report from the NDUS.  Do they transfer some salaries from the Department of Agriculture, Food Systems, and Natural Resources into the extension budget?  That's the only way I could see them doing that.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

On 2/18/2017 at 0:56 AM, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Now I responded to both You and a poster named "North Dakota", of which both of you showed weakens in SD. You stated "They certainly weren't the best representative of what the MVFC offers up for competition". I showed how close SD games where with NDSU in the last 2 years. 

2016   28 - 21

2015   21 - 24

2014   47 - 7

2013   42 - 0

2012   54 - 0

2011   didn't play

Competition get n better and Bizon slipping.

 

18 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Two can play that game...

Last year, ndsu beat ysu by 3, and then won a natty. 

This year,  they beat ysu by 21 at home,  in a year that ysu makes the title game and ndsu does not. 

What's the situation there then? Is ndsu trending up or down??? 

I don't disagree (no reasonable person would) that NDSU is not at the level they were,  but your reasoning is pretty dumb. 

The bold part of your last sentence is exactly what I'm saying,

"I don't disagree (no reasonable person would) that NDSU is not at the level they were"  =  slipping. 

With Youngstown, you used 2 years, with SD I compared 5 years in the post you replied to. Here is NDSU vs YSU last 5 years .

2016   24 - 3

2015   27 - 24

2014   38 - 14

2013   35 - 17

2012   48 - 7      NDSU slid from 48 points down to 24.

 

Also look at all of NDSU's games comparing score and total offense yards - avg / gm 

         Year          Points / Game          Yards / Game

                         Bizon     Opponents  Bizon      Opponents

2016	29.1	16.6	407	319
2015	34.9	15.3	423	271
2014	32.9	14.1	432	280
2013	38.7	11.3	457	255

Gap is tightening, the lines of the graph are on a collision course. Slip and Slide?

[darell1976]

12 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

 

The bold part of your last sentence is exactly what I'm saying,

"I don't disagree (no reasonable person would) that NDSU is not at the level they were"  =  slipping. 

With Youngstown, you used 2 years, with SD I compared 5 years in the post you replied to. Here is NDSU vs YSU last 5 years .

2016   24 - 3

2015   27 - 24

2014   38 - 14

2013   35 - 17

2012   48 - 7      NDSU slid from 48 points down to 24.

 

Also look at all of NDSU's games comparing score and total offense yards - avg / gm 

         Year          Points / Game          Yards / Game

                         Bizon     Opponents  Bizon      Opponents

2016	29.1	16.6	407	319
2015	34.9	15.3	423	271
2014	32.9	14.1	432	280
2013	38.7	11.3	457	255

Gap is tightening, the lines of the graph are on a collision course. Slip and Slide?

Their offense is slipping but they still have a pretty damn good defense, and that's what still makes them very dangerous.

[UNDBIZ]

3 minutes ago, NDSU grad said:

I just browsed the 2015-2017 appropriations report from the NDUS.  Do they transfer some salaries from the Department of Agriculture, Food Systems, and Natural Resources into the extension budget?  That's the only way I could see them doing that.

Essentially yes.  Extension, Ag Experiment Center, Upper Great Plains Institute

[Siouxperfan7]

Sidenote:  Props to Vegas_Sioux for coming up with one of the best thread names I have seen on Siouxsports.  Well done.  Ok back to ripping on NDSU 

[homer]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

It was mainly tongue in cheek, though it definitely presses a few buttons after hearing how NDSU's athletic department is in such a strong position, yet they directly rely on 10% of their budget coming from the State of ND. Again, I would be very interested to see the numbers Kolpack used because college athletics are a giant shell game and he apparently has something that would clarify it a little more. I will however continue to get a kick out of the huge sacrifices NDSU athletics is making by taking a 40% cut that in reality is a whopping  1.8% of their budget. On the flip side, I'm hoping UND is using the cuts as an excuse to make a few changes that could make drastic improvements in their athletic department. Time will tell if they will go with the status quo or make the tough and correct decision.

How many posts have there been here and on b'ville about the discrepancy in state funding to each university?  Didn't Brescanni even complain about it to the state legislature a few years back?  Is that money they wanted for academics or athletics?

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

49 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

Their offense is slipping but they still have a pretty damn good defense, and that's what still makes them very dangerous.

Ya, there a good team, might be a different ball game in 2019 though, especially in 2020 here at the Hawk's Nest.

[The Sicatoka]

11 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Looks to be working perfectly. The news tonight stated ndsu was cutting 40% from their athletic budget and 10% from academics. 

Academics took hits "over 10%" but (one small, 5% of Athletics, budget line item in) Athletics took a 40% cut! 

That is world-class spin. 

And the local media bought it. 

[homer]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Academics took hits "over 10%" but (one small, 5% of Athletics, budget line item in) Athletics took a 40% cut! 

That is world-class spin. 

And the local media bought it. 

No one in the Fargo media has balls to ask a tough question or state any facts.  The best part was WDAY, stating athletics is taking a 40% cut than following that with a story on student uncertainty about what is being cut and what students will lose. 

Imagine if they'd state the facts that athletics is only cutting 1.8% and the rest will be coming from money meant to fund academics and than ran that story. 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

14 minutes ago, homer said:

No one in the Fargo media has balls to ask a tough question or state any facts.  The best part was WDAY, stating athletics is taking a 40% cut than following that with a story on student uncertainty about what is being cut and what students will lose. 

Imagine if they'd state the facts that athletics is only cutting 1.8% and the rest will be coming from money meant to fund academics and than ran that story. 

The $ in college atheletics can be really challening to get out in the open. The report to the NCAA is just that a report to NCAA, not a true accounting of what actually happens in house. This budget reduction could shed some light on how atheletic departments are run in this state.

I'll use one illustration to make another point. If we cut all sports, what effect would that have on all future donations to UND (most donations to UND go to the acedemic side, not atheletics)? 

Be interesting to get on here:

What the alumni association brings to the table on a yearly basis, where these donations are going. UND has $230M endowment, NDSU has $138M. UMinn has $3.28B.

What The Ralph does with the $ and how that intereacts with the atheletic department. Season tickets have ticket price and donations combined? 

 

[bison73]

2 hours ago, homer said:

No one in the Fargo media has balls to ask a tough question or state any facts.  The best part was WDAY, stating athletics is taking a 40% cut than following that with a story on student uncertainty about what is being cut and what students will lose. 

Imagine if they'd state the facts that athletics is only cutting 1.8% and the rest will be coming from money meant to fund academics and than ran that story. 

Oh the humanity. Lol. You guys have been yapping about how ndsu didn't have a plan and how we were in big trouble etcetcetc. Now when it comes out that we are in a strong position like I said you are howling. Omg there must be something wrong. How did they do that . Some one yell conspiracy. 

I would think with the issues you guys have I would be more concerned about that.

[homer]

19 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Oh the humanity. Lol. You guys have been yapping about how ndsu didn't have a plan and how we were in big trouble etcetcetc. Now when it comes out that we are in a strong position like I said you are howling. Omg there must be something wrong. How did they do that . Some one yell conspiracy. 

I would think with the issues you guys have I would be more concerned about that.

I view this as an opportunity for UND to cut some sports and right size their athletic dept.  I do find it funny that FU keeps telling the media they aren't cutting sports but fails to mention the ramifications of them cutting a sport.  They aren't cutting anything because the FBS dream would be gone.  

Anyway, keep raising ticket prices.  Get it while you can.  Raise them another $5 while your at it to start raising money to fix the shortcuts in the SHAC.