stoneySIOUX Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 35 minutes ago, petey23 said: I wasn't going for that comparison but I am pretty sure they know those guys and they will know more about Wentz when he is in the NFL. Maybe during his draft year and for a couple weeks while he's battling for a starting job and then never again when he's a career back up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 25 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Honest answer: I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know a whole lot about Parise and Oshie. I've rarely heard them say much about hockey on that show. Them being on the US national team probably helps, but you could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 I recall oshie almost being a household name after the Olympics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 15 minutes ago, Cratter said: I recall oshie almost being a household name after the Olympics. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlsiouxfan Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 6 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said: Hahahahahahahaha. Oh, wait. You're serious? Oh. Well, that's cute. Are you talking about just for you? If so, alright. But it'd be a much bigger deal to GF for the hockey team to win one, IMO. I love the football team, but no. Just, no. That's probably true, but if UND wanted to solely focus on increasing interest in GF they'd probably just be better off paying some people to drive in circles for hours at a time. That's what really brings them out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If my options were A) National Title in Hockey B) National Title in FCS Football C) Cinderella run in March Madness I'm taking C all day and twice on Sunday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FargoBison Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said: If my options were A) National Title in Hockey B) National Title in FCS Football C) Cinderella run in March Madness I'm taking C all day and twice on Sunday. There is no bigger exposure bomb then going on a run in the dance. Just winning a game brought NDSU a ton of exposure, can't even imagine how crazy a sweet 16 run would be. Hoops is where it is at and that is what amazes me with your AD, he has just left your program be a tire fire even though you play in a conference that is ripe for the taking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 C might give the most exposure but as a UND fan I personally rather see A. unless C is a Natty ;). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phoenix Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 5 hours ago, jdub27 said: So less than half 2 of the 3 years, proving that timeslot, channel and what is on other channels makes a significant difference. I'm still not sure how comparing events in different time slots, 5 months apart, makes any sort of a point? The numbers are what they are, but you're trying way to hard to prove a point that no one is arguing. The NCAA hockey tournament sells out every year in advance and is full regardless of who plays. Can the same be said about the FCS championship game? Both are second tier sports (by a huge margin). Thank you for providing information showing that neither FCS or D-1 hockey are even on the fringe of where FBS football and NCAA basketball are. Can't argue with your final point. And yes, the FCS title game is sold out for the 5 year in a row and has been so for months. Now who would have bought all those tickets? (Feel free to flame; ripe for the pickings as it makes your point) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, FargoBison said: There is no bigger exposure bomb then going on a run in the dance. Just winning a game brought NDSU a ton of exposure, can't even imagine how crazy a sweet 16 run would be. Hoops is where it is at and that is what amazes me with your AD, he has just left your program be a tire fire even though you play in a conference that is ripe for the taking. Agree with your first point. As to your second point, you can only have some many irons in the fire if you want to fix or accomplish things correctly. Not going to get into the firing the coaches part of the equation (there are other places for that) but a lot has been accomplished over the past handful of years (transition, nickname, Big Sky, IPF, NCHC, new football coach, etc, etc) and during that time, UND made it to the conference semis and conference finals their first two years of being eligible before seeing a significant drop-off the third year (last year). I am confident the proper attention is being paid to the situation at this time. My opinion is that right or wrong, the results were good enough to not warrant immediate attention over some of the other issues but that is no longer the case. You could probably look at NDSU's women's basketball program, which has fallen much further than UND's MBB team, especially considering where they once were, and ask how or why did the AD let things fall as far as they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FargoBison Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think a lot of the blame for WBB at NDSU falls on Lynn Dorn's shoulders. She just seemed to put way too much stock into thinking Dehoff could do it and spent too long hoping her hire would work out. A lot of AD's make that mistake and it is a costly one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, FargoBison said: I think a lot of the blame for WBB at NDSU falls on Lynn Dorn's shoulders. She just seemed to put way too much stock into thinking Dehoff could do it and spent too long hoping her hire would work out. A lot of AD's make that mistake and it is a costly one. Dorn also axed the former volleyball coach because he was male, and put in one of her favorite females, causing that program to hit the skids too. The sexual politics of bisonville is something to behold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 On 12/16/2015 at 3:01 PM, The Phoenix said: The NDSU/UNI game on ESPN had over 1.6 million viewers. The NDSU/Richmond game drew 751K viewers. Any more arguments on how channel, timeslot and competition actually have more of an effect than what the event itself is, making comparing completely different events pointless? Just for reference, the D3 national championship game drew 510K viewers with a similar time frame (started 1 hour earlier) but broadcasted on ESPNU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 On 12/16/2015 at 3:01 PM, The Phoenix said: I think hockey will always be king at UND, but to suggest it is somehow more popular than NDSU football is hard to justify. The NDSU/UNI game on ESPN had over 1.6 million viewers. Here are the numbers from the 13 televised NCAA hockey tourney games last year: BU-Prov 635k ESPNBU-UND 290K ESPN2Denver-BC .1 241K ESPN2Prov-Omaha 196k ESPN2UMD-BU .1 158k ESPN2SCSU-UND .1 148k ESPNUQuinn-UND .1 122k ESPNURIT-OMAH .1 115k ESPNUMN-UMD .1 113k ESPNUProv-Denver .1 84k ESPNUYale-BU .0 63k ESPNUProv-Miami .0 62k ESPNURIT-Mankato .0 57k ESPNU With all this said, if UND wants to be noticed on a national stage, they need to invest in basketball and football. I do not think that needs to be mutually exclusive from supporting hockey, but some sports may need to be shuttered. 12 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The NDSU/Richmond game drew 751K viewers. Any more arguments on how channel, timeslot and competition actually have more of an effect than what the event itself is, making comparing completely different events pointless? Just for reference, the D3 national championship game drew 510K viewers with a similar time frame (started 1 hour earlier) but broadcasted on ESPNU. Not to belabor the discussion, but the original point of looking at viewers was to show a comparison between the two sports. When you consider having 751K viewers in what you have said is the inferior timeslot, on the inferior channel, is still higher than every NCAA hockey game quoted above, your post actually speaks more to the contrary argument than yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 635K for an NCAA championship on the flagship ESPN station is a pretty abysmal number... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 On 12/17/2015 at 2:09 PM, FargoBison said: There is no bigger exposure bomb then going on a run in the dance. Just winning a game brought NDSU a ton of exposure, can't even imagine how crazy a sweet 16 run would be. Hoops is where it is at and that is what amazes me with your AD, he has just left your program be a tire fire even though you play in a conference that is ripe for the taking. I am not sure - are the other Big Sky basketball schools offering FCOA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 2 hours ago, Shawn-O said: 635K for an NCAA championship on the flagship ESPN station is a pretty abysmal number... Maybe so, but in regard to time slot and competition, it is important to note that there were 15 nhl games played the night of the ncaa hockey championship game. Source: http://espn.go.com/nhl/schedule?date=20150411 How many NFL games were played at the same time as these fcs games? Apples and oranges. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 2 hours ago, Bison06 said: Not to belabor the discussion, but the original point of looking at viewers was to show a comparison between the two sports. When you consider having 751K viewers in what you have said is the inferior timeslot, on the inferior channel, is still higher than every NCAA hockey game quoted above, your post actually speaks more to the contrary argument than yours. My original point is trying to prove something by comparing numbers that came from different nights, channels, timeslots and against competition is pointless, especially when they are 5 months apart. The reason I brought up the 751K is to show that just by switching these variables less than a week apart, the Richmond/NDSU game had 55% less viewers in a semi-final game than the previous week in a quarterfinal game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The real question is have FCS football fans wanting to watch on TV ever had to miss half of the opening quarter of a football playoff or title game because of a college lacrosse game? Because this seems to happen every year when I want to watch college hockey on ESPN in April.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 10 minutes ago, bincitysioux said: The real question is have FCS football fans wanting to watch on TV ever had to miss half of the opening quarter of a football playoff or title game because of a college lacrosse game? Because this seems to happen every year when I want to watch college hockey on ESPN in April.............. Yes, but when it happens it is usually a regular season basketball game instead of lacrosse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 FCS football and NCAA hockey are nearly identical in their fanbases, mostly made up of alumni of the power schools and the regions immediately surrounding them. What gives FCS football the advantage in my opinion is that it just happens to be the most popular sport in the United States. Given the option between the two, the casual observer would likely choose FCS simply because it is Football, the more popular sport. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 38 minutes ago, Bison06 said: FCS football and NCAA hockey are nearly identical in their fanbases, mostly made up of alumni of the power schools and the regions immediately surrounding them. What gives FCS football the advantage in my opinion is that it just happens to be the most popular sport in the United States. Given the option between the two, the casual observer would likely choose FCS simply because it is Football, the more popular sport. Revenue is much greater for hockey. Up to 18 home games per season vs six. How is UND able to have a bigger budget after a bison run of four titles? Most outside observers would see that as unfathomable, and that's not counting the REA budget which is separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 8 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said: Revenue is much greater for hockey. Up to 18 home games per season vs six. How is UND able to have a bigger budget after a bison run of four titles? Most outside observers would see that as unfathomable, and that's not counting the REA budget which is separate. I have no doubt all of that is true. It doesn't, however, play a role in which sport is more popular, which is the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I have no doubt all of that is true. It doesn't, however, play a role in which sport is more popular, which is the discussion. On 10/21/2015 at 10:15 PM, Cratter said: UND hockey team vs NDSU football team who wins? It's a 100 yard ice field with soccer goals played with a football and hockey sticks. Actually, above is the opening post for this discussion. I've gotta give hockey players the edge since it's being played on ice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Just now, UNDBIZ said: Actually, above is the opening post for this discussion. I've gotta give hockey players the edge since it's being played on ice.... Did you take into account Blais being mad about the size of the playing field? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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